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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,875
    2025
    Palpable. Good word, Mr. Evolution. 
    I’ve learned a lot around these parts from folks like you and other posters! 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,792
    tbergs said:
    It's weird that people are ok with an immigrant having so much control of the government yet these same people complained about the black man they wanted to try to say was born in Africa. I guess if he was a white south African it would have been fine. Musk is loving this. Knowing he could never actually be president since he isn't born here, but finding a pawn he can dupe and then be proxy president. It's not even shadow presidency. So weird people are ok with a foreign billionaire tanking our country.
    Unelected foreign billionaire and Rand Paul says he should be Speaker.  And Trump wants to eliminate the debt ceiling too. The joke presidency has started in earnest. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,322
    2024
    tbergs said:
    It's weird that people are ok with an immigrant having so much control of the government yet these same people complained about the black man they wanted to try to say was born in Africa. I guess if he was a white south African it would have been fine. Musk is loving this. Knowing he could never actually be president since he isn't born here, but finding a pawn he can dupe and then be proxy president. It's not even shadow presidency. So weird people are ok with a foreign billionaire tanking our country.
    We all know white rich immigrants are not the ones magas are concerned about. Most of them likely don’t even know he’s not American 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,175
    tbergs said:
    It's weird that people are ok with an immigrant having so much control of the government yet these same people complained about the black man they wanted to try to say was born in Africa. I guess if he was a white south African it would have been fine. Musk is loving this. Knowing he could never actually be president since he isn't born here, but finding a pawn he can dupe and then be proxy president. It's not even shadow presidency. So weird people are ok with a foreign billionaire tanking our country.
    We all know white rich immigrants are not the ones magas are concerned about. Most of them likely don’t even know he’s not American 

    natural born you mean..
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,029
    2023
    Guy who bankrupted a casino multiple times calls for abolishing the debt limit....checks out. maga!

    https://www.ibtimes.com/donald-trump-abolish-debt-ceiling-3756192

    Trump Calls For Abolishing Debt Limit: 'Smartest Thing' Congress Could Do

    The president-elect floated the idea a day after he came out against the bipartisan spending deal to fund the government and avert a shutdown

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    President-elect Donald Trump said he supports abolishing the debt ceiling because it's the "smartest thing," a day after scuttling a bipartisan spending deal that would have averted a federal government shutdown in two days.

    Trump informed Republican lawmakers about his opposition to the 1,500-page bill put together by House Speaker Mike Johnson after billionaire Elon Musk, whom Trump named to run a government efficiency panel, criticized it as full of Democratic giveaways.

    In his Wednesday message, Trump pushed for a "clear" spending bill that increases the debt ceiling.

    On Thursday, the president-elect told NBC News that he would be fine with ditching it all together, saying it would be the "smartest thing it [Congress] could do. I would support that entirely."

    "The Democrats have said they want to get rid of it. If they want to get rid of it, I would lead the charge," Trump said, noting that the concept of the debt ceiling "doesn't mean anything, except psychologically."

    The debt ceiling sets a limit on how much money the U.S. government can borrow to "meet its existing legal obligations."

    It is now set at $31.46 trillion.

    Asked about the possibility of a government shutdown if a deal isn't reached by 12:01 a.m. Saturday, Trump said: "If there's going to be a shutdown, we're going to start it with a Democratic president," echoing a statement he and Vice President-elect JD Vance issued Wednesday, urging the debate to occur during the Biden administration and before they take office on Jan. 20.

    "Increasing the debt ceiling is not great but we'd rather do it on Biden's watch," Trump and Vance said. "If Democrats won't cooperate on the debt ceiling now, what makes anyone think they would do it in June during our administration? Let's have this debate now. "

    The debt ceiling was suspended in 2023 until Jan. 1, 2025.

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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,303
    nice thread title change, juggler 👍
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,269
    2023
    Another great blog from Mr. Dan Rather.  This is spot on:
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    Is Trump Really Calling the Shots?

    Just when you think it can’t get weirder or more dysfunctional …

    Dan Rather and Team Stead

    Welcome to a preview of coming attractions — your U.S. government (not) at work. The new administration is a month away from taking office, and it feels a lot like they’re already in power … except for the small problem that there may be no government to run as a Republican-led shutdown looms.

    We’ve seen this movie before, but now we have a new lead actor. Move over Donald Trump and make way for the Ambassador of Chaos, Elon Musk. It would be funny if it weren’t so troubling.

    While almost every Steady these days could don the headline ‘You Can’t Make It Up,’ today’s raises the bar to new heights.

    Now the machinations of the U.S. Congress tend to be a pretty dry subject, but bear with me. It’s worth your time.

    Speaker of the House Mike Johnson has spent the past few weeks working with both House Republicans and Democrats to negotiate a spending bill to keep the federal government open and running.

    According to Politico, Donald Trump was given the broad strokes of the deal over the weekend, and he reportedly had no objections.

    Late Tuesday, Johnson announced a deal that would keep the government funded for three months.

    Wednesday morning, a disgruntled Elon Musk began a tweet-a-thon in opposition to the spending bill. Musk, who has no official role yet, is unelected, and will not need Senate confirmation, decided he didn’t like the bill. He let everyone know it with more than 100 posts on his social media platform, X.

    “SHUT IT DOWN,” Musk posted; followed by “Folks, American Democracy is in TROUBLE,” said unironically.

    He falsely claimed that shutting down the government would hurt no one.

    “Just close down the govt [SIC] until January 20th. Defund everything. We will be fine for 33 days,” Musk wrote on X.

    Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of federal workers who would be furloughed and therefore not paid until there’s a deal. For context, when the government shut down for three weeks in 2018-19, the Congressional Budget Office said it cost the U.S. economy $3 billion. That estimate does not include lost productivity. But what’s a billion or three to someone worth 440?

    Musk also threatened political retribution, saying he will financially back any primary opponent of Republicans in Congress who supported the original deal.

    His beef with the bill is too much pork, which is the appropriation of funds for pet projects of individual House and Senate members. Pork is included in spending bills to appease members and guarantee their vote. It is how budgets are made and have been made since the dawn of American democracy.

    The bill also includes $100 billion for disaster relief and billions for American farmers.

    By the end of the day, Musk’s social media temper tantrum had worked. Trump, who as a reminder is not yet president, put out a statement noting his sudden displeasure with the bipartisan spending bill that he was just fine with until Musk. Long story slightly shorter, that bill is dead, as are Speaker Johnson’s chances of remaining Speaker Johnson. More on that in a minute.

    Who exactly is calling the shots? It doesn’t sound like it’s the president-elect. It does sound like it is the richest man in the world, who paid an enormous amount of money to ride in Donald Trump’s sidecar.

    “The fact that Donald Trump has been completely AWOL during these negotiations to the point where only after Elon Musk publicly tweets about his displeasure, about this budget deal, all of a sudden Donald Trump, chief of staff to Elon Musk, comes trotting in and blows up the deal,” Democratic Congressman Daniel Goldman said on MSNBC.

    Senator Bernie Sanders asked on X, “Are Republicans working for the American people or taking orders from ‘President Musk’?”

    This morning Trump called, yes called, NBC to do damage control. During the phone interview he said he had spoken with Musk before the X owner went on his rant and that their views are “very much on track.”

    So, now what? Late today, Speaker Johnson says he has a new deal, one that apparently makes Musk and Trump happy, but perhaps few others. Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries says it’s an unserious proposal and would be dead on arrival. The new bill is a pared-down version of the original with a debt ceiling increase.

    Without boring you to the point that you scroll to the end of this piece, let me quickly explain. The debt ceiling is a limit on how much Congress can borrow to pay its bills. If the ceiling isn’t raised and the government can’t pay, it will be in default. If that happens, there will be actual hell to pay. The consequences for the U.S. economy could be catastrophic.

    The Council of Economic Advisers said that if the government defaults on its obligations, “the economy would quickly shift into reverse, with the depth of the losses a function of how long the breach lasted.”

    And now a twist no one expected. After Musk’s muscle flex over the continuing resolution, Republican Senators Rand Paul and Mike Lee have floated the idea of Musk replacing Johnson as speaker of the House. Yup, you read that right. The Constitution does not require a speaker to be a sitting member of the House of Representatives, though every speaker has been.

    Several months ago, The Washington Post reported that Musk, who is originally from South Africa, was actually in the U.S. illegally for a time after dropping out of Stanford to start a business. He later became a citizen. Who would have thought that someone who has railed against undocumented immigrants was perhaps one himself, and now could be speaker of the House … the world’s richest person, and answerable to absolutely no one?

    These are serious matters for the future of our country. Strange and perilous times, my friends.




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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,285
    2023
    THIS FUCKING CLOWN SHOW SUPPORTS THE MILITARY!!!
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,875
    2025
    😂😂 MAGA’s you voted for this 😂 tell the soldiers that they can just use credit cards to spend on the holidays since you won’t get paid! Tell us how you voted against your best interest and while the immigrant and 🍊🤡 screw you keep asking for more! 
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,029
    2023
    Wobbie said:
    nice thread title change, juggler 👍
    President Musk deserves our respect.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,576
    They love the poorly educated. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    2023
    it sure does...MURIKKKA!!!
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,029
    2023
    Good find Hugh. Posting this in case some cannot access instagram:


    It said that debating an idiot is like playing #chess with a pigeon. They’ll knock over the pieces, they’ll crap on the board, and they’ll fly back to their flock and claim victory. It’s funny and insightful, but according to the theologian Dietrich Bonhoeffer, it’s also deeply worrying. Because for #Bonhoeffer stupidity is far more concerning than evil.

    There are evil people in life. There are murderers, cheaters, and liars. But they are not the greatest threat. Because once something is known to be evil, the good of the world can rally to defend and fight against it. When we know somebody is bad, we know how to take a stand. And so, as Bonhoeffer put it, ‘evil always carries within itself the germ of its own subversion.’

    Stupidity, though, is a different problem, and we cannot so easily fight it for two reasons. The first is that we are much more tolerant of it as a society. We do not take stupidity that seriously. We do not attack somebody for not knowing a thing. The second reason is that the stupid person is a slippery one. Like a pigeon playing chess, they are not open to either #reason or debate.

    And so, for Bonhoeffer, stupidity is far more dangerous because it is a weapon that evil people can often use. Because evil people find it hard to take power themselves, they will need stupid people to do their work for them. A stupid person can be guided, steered and manipulated to do any number of things. And history teaches us that #stupidity does not mean you cannot be powerful.

    #Evil is a puppet master, and it loves nothing so much as a powerful idiot.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,576

    trump getting cucked by Elon wasn't on my 2024 bingo card, but here we are. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    2023
    shecky said:

    It's amazing how easy trump can be played through the media...which is why Russia/China/North Korea all have him in their back pocket.

    Glad you got your boy in the white house shecky. He'll do you proud. LOL
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,029
    2023
    Favorite part of my job right now is lecturing Trump supporters about why interest rates have skyrocketed since he won. 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,576
    shecky said:

    It's amazing how easy trump can be played through the media...which is why Russia/China/North Korea all have him in their back pocket.

    Glad you got your boy in the white house shecky. He'll do you proud. LOL
    He's so easily manipulated... there's a reason why America's enemies love having him in office. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,029
    2023
    shecky said:

    It's amazing how easy trump can be played through the media...which is why Russia/China/North Korea all have him in their back pocket.

    Glad you got your boy in the white house shecky. He'll do you proud. LOL
    He's so easily manipulated... there's a reason why America's enemies love having him in office. 
    Kamala made getting under his skin look so simple in the debate. Trump is a stooge. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,175

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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,021
    edited 6:02PM
    shecky said:

    It's amazing how easy trump can be played through the media...which is why Russia/China/North Korea all have him in their back pocket.

    Glad you got your boy in the white house shecky. He'll do you proud. LOL
    He's so easily manipulated... there's a reason why America's enemies love having him in office. 
    So, you must also believe that the American public is " so easily manipulated", seeing as President Trump has been elected twice.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,029
    2023
    shecky said:
    shecky said:

    It's amazing how easy trump can be played through the media...which is why Russia/China/North Korea all have him in their back pocket.

    Glad you got your boy in the white house shecky. He'll do you proud. LOL
    He's so easily manipulated... there's a reason why America's enemies love having him in office. 
    So, you must also believe that the American public is " so easily manipulated", seeing as President Trump has been elected twice.
    Yes, 49% of them. Enjoy all the inflation you willingly voted for, sheck. 
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
    2023
    shecky said:
    shecky said:

    It's amazing how easy trump can be played through the media...which is why Russia/China/North Korea all have him in their back pocket.

    Glad you got your boy in the white house shecky. He'll do you proud. LOL
    He's so easily manipulated... there's a reason why America's enemies love having him in office. 
    So, you must also believe that the American public is " so easily manipulated", seeing as President Trump has been elected twice.
    YES!!! Just like you, you believe anything you see on TikTok and vote for idiots.
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    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
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    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,029
    edited 6:11PM
    2023
    Sheck...you voted for a who, despite all the overwhelming evidence to the contrary, swore that he would somehow get prices of everything to drop and that it would be "easy" to do so.

    Then, not even before he is sworn in, that same guy admitted that he actually, likely, cannot do the thing he lied to you about over and over and over again during the campaign. 

    You've been easily manipulated by an idiot. Yes, absolutely. Congrats.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,576
    shecky said:
    shecky said:

    It's amazing how easy trump can be played through the media...which is why Russia/China/North Korea all have him in their back pocket.

    Glad you got your boy in the white house shecky. He'll do you proud. LOL
    He's so easily manipulated... there's a reason why America's enemies love having him in office. 
    So, you must also believe that the American public is " so easily manipulated", seeing as President Trump has been elected twice.
    Not everyone, but definitely the majority of trump voters... they're getting played like fiddles. 
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,194
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    The government shutdown could not have happened without Elon. They were ready to roll and then he tweets and it's all over. He bought a country, plain and simple.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,175
    shecky said:
    shecky said:

    It's amazing how easy trump can be played through the media...which is why Russia/China/North Korea all have him in their back pocket.

    Glad you got your boy in the white house shecky. He'll do you proud. LOL
    He's so easily manipulated... there's a reason why America's enemies love having him in office. 
    So, you must also believe that the American public is " so easily manipulated", seeing as President Trump has been elected twice.
    Not everyone, but definitely the majority of trump voters... they're getting played like fiddles. 

    yep. 77, 302, 000 give or take....
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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,021
    shecky said:
    shecky said:

    It's amazing how easy trump can be played through the media...which is why Russia/China/North Korea all have him in their back pocket.

    Glad you got your boy in the white house shecky. He'll do you proud. LOL
    He's so easily manipulated... there's a reason why America's enemies love having him in office. 
    So, you must also believe that the American public is " so easily manipulated", seeing as President Trump has been elected twice.
    Not everyone, but definitely the majority of trump voters... they're getting played like fiddles. 
    So, if the Dems are so intelligent, why did they pull a coup on Biden and install Kammie as their candidate? And, why didn't she win?
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 37,322
    2024
    Hitler was also democratically elected. 
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