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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,366
    2023
    POOTWH not testifying? Whaaaaaa? After all that complaining about being silenced and gagged and not allowed to talk? Whaaaaaaa? Thought for sure that the most innocent person ever persecuted would have had a few words, under oath. Suckers.
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  • mickeyrat
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    https://apnews.com/article/trump-trial-hush-money-robert-costello-b1beb56a666c398ae5393ede16c326da   Defense rests without ex-President Trump taking the witness stand in his New York hush money trial

     
    Defense rests without ex-President Trump taking the witness stand in his New York hush money trial
    By MICHAEL R. SISAK, JAKE OFFENHARTZ, JILL COLVIN and COLLEEN LONG
    11 mins ago

    NEW YORK (AP) — Donald Trump’s lawyers rested their defense Tuesday without the former president taking the witness stand in his New York hush money criminal trial, moving the case closer to the moment when the jury will begin deciding his fate.

    “Your honor, the defense rests,” Trump lawyer Todd Blanche told the judge. Trump's team concluded with testimony from a former federal prosecutor who had been called to attack the credibility of the prosecution’s key witness, one of two people summoned to the stand by the defense. The Manhattan district attorney's office called 20 witnesses over 15 days of testimony before resting its case Monday.

    The jury was sent home for a week, until May 28, when closing arguments are expected, but the attorneys returned to the courtroom to discuss how the judge will instruct jurors on deliberations, a sort of road map meant to help them apply the law to the evidence and testimony. The two sides haggled over word choices, legal phrases and descriptions of campaign-related issues.

    Trump, the first former American president to be tried criminally, did not answer questions about why he did not testify.

    Trump had previously said he wanted to take the witness stand in his own defense, but there was no requirement or even expectation that he do so. Defendants routinely decline to testify. His attorneys, instead of mounting an effort to demonstrate Trump’s innocence to jurors, focused on attacking the credibility of the prosecution witnesses. That’s a routine defense strategy; the burden of proof in a criminal case lies with the prosecution. The defense doesn’t have to prove a thing.

    Yet even as Trump denounces the trial as a politically motivated travesty of justice, he has been working to turn the proceedings into an offshoot of his presidential campaign. He’s capitalized on the trial as a fundraising pitch, used his time in front of the cameras to criticize President Joe Biden and showcased a parade of his own political supporters.

    Prosecutors have accused the presumptive Republican presidential nominee of a scheme to scoop up and bury negative stories in an illegal effort to influence the 2016 presidential election. Trump has pleaded not guilty and denied any wrongdoing. It's the first of Trump's four criminal cases to go to trial, and quite possibly the only one before the 2024 presidential election.

    “They have no case,” Trump said Tuesday morning before court adjourned. “There’s no crime.”

    Jurors have been given a lesson on the underbelly of the tabloid business world, where Trump allies at the National Enquirer launched a plan to keep seamy, sometimes outrageous stories about Trump out of the public eye by paying tens of thousands of dollars to “catch and kill” them. They watched as a porn actress, Stormy Daniels, recounted in discomfiting detail an alleged sexual encounter with Trump in a hotel room. Trump says nothing sexual happened between them.

    And they sat intently in the jury box as Trump's former-lawyer-turned-foe Michel Cohen placed Trump in the middle of the scheme to buy Daniels' story to keep it from going public in the waning weeks before the 2016 presidential election. During that time, Republicans were wringing their hands in distress over the potential political fallout from the infamous “Access Hollywood" tape.

    But the crux of the prosecution's case centers not on the spectacle but on business transactions, including internal Trump Organization records in which payments to Cohen were falsely labeled legal expenses. Prosecutors argued that those payments were really reimbursements to Cohen doled out in chunks, for a $130,000 payment he made on Trump's behalf to keep Daniels quiet. Trump has been charged with 34 counts of falsifying business records. The offense is in the lowest tier of felony charges in New York state, and it is punishable by up to four years in prison, though there is no guarantee that a conviction would result in prison time.

    Trump’s son Donald Trump Jr. defended his father’s decision not to testify.

    “There’d be absolutely no reason, no justification to do that whatsoever. Everyone sees it for the sham that it is,” the younger Trump said as he left a news conference Tuesday with supporters of the former president outside the courthouse.

    The judge has yet to rule on a defense request to throw out the charges before jurors even begin deliberating based on the argument that prosecutors have failed to prove their case. Such long-shot requests are often made in criminal cases but are rarely granted.

    The final witness was Robert Costello, a former federal prosecutor, who was first called Monday afternoon and who angered the judge by rolling his eyes and talking under his breath. The judge cleared the courtroom and threatened to remove Costello if he didn’t show more respect.

    Tuesday's testimony was absent the same kind of drama as Trump's lawyers sought to use Costello to undermine Cohen's credibility. The two had a professional relationship that splintered in spectacular fashion. Costello had offered to represent Cohen soon after the lawyer’s hotel room, office and home were raided and as Cohen faced a decision about whether to remain defiant in the face of a criminal investigation or to cooperate with authorities in hopes of securing more lenient treatment.

    Costello bristled as he insisted to prosecutors that he did not feel animosity toward Cohen and did not try to intimidate him. “Ridiculous. No,” he said to the latter.

    But Costello has repeatedly maligned Cohen’s credibility and was even a witness before last year’s grand jury that indicted Trump, offering testimony designed to undermine Cohen’s account. In a Fox News Channel interview last week, Costello accused Cohen of lying to the jury and using the case to “monetize” himself.

    Prosecutors sought to show that Costello was part of a pressure campaign to manipulate and arm-twist Cohen in order to keep him in Trump’s corner once he came under federal investigation. Prosecutor Susan Hoffinger asked Costello about a 2018 email in which he assured Cohen that he was “loved” by Trump’s camp, “they are in our corner” and “you have friends in high places.”

    Asked who those “friends in high places” were, Costello said he was talking about Trump, then the president.

    Trump lawyer Emil Bove tried to undo that portrayal.

    “Did you ever pressure Michael Cohen to do anything?” Bove asked.

    “No,” Costello replied.

    After the defense rested, Judge Merchan dismissed the jurors and looked ahead to closing arguments — the last time the jury will hear from either side. Deliberations could begin as early as next Wednesday, giving the panel their first chance to talk about the case. Until then, they're barred from discussing it.

    “I’ll see you in a week,” Merchan told the jury.

    ___

    Long reported from Washington. Associated Press writers Jennifer Peltz and Michelle Price in New York; Meg Kinnard in Columbia, S.C.; and Eric Tucker and Alanna Durkin Richer in Washington contributed to this report.


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  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,598
    2023
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Many years and multiple threads about trump getting j ducted, and almost no comments regarding his likely only trial before Election Day?

    Not sure the prosecution proved that trump knew his CFO classified the payments to cohen falsely as legal fees.
    It is a damn shame that this one, out of all of them, is likely the only one to happen before election day. 
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  • mickeyrat
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    https://apnews.com/article/donald-trump-apprentice-cannes-83958ff061a475a203424e8b9916ada1   Trump campaign calls 'The Apprentice' film 'blatantly false,' director offers to screen it for him


     
    Trump campaign calls 'The Apprentice' film 'blatantly false,' director offers to screen it for him
    By JAKE COYLE
    1 hour ago

    CANNES, France (AP) — Donald Trump’s reelection campaign called “The Apprentice,” a film about the former U.S. president in the 1980s, “pure fiction” and vowed legal action following its premiere at the Cannes Film Festival. But director Ali Abbasi is offering to privately screen the film for Trump.

    Following its premiere Monday in Cannes, Steven Cheung, Trump campaign spokesperson, said in a statement that the Trump team will file a lawsuit “to address the blatantly false assertions from these pretend filmmakers."

    “This garbage is pure fiction which sensationalizes lies that have been long debunked," Cheung said.

    “The Apprentice” stars Sebastian Stan as Trump. The central relationship of the movie is between Trump and Roy Cohn (Jeremy Strong), the defense attorney who was chief counsel to Joseph McCarthy’s 1950s Senate investigations of suspected communists.

    Asked about the Trump campaign's statement Tuesday in Cannes, Abbasi told reporters: “Everybody talks about him suing a lot of people — they don’t talk about his success rate though, you know?”

    But the Iranian Danish director also struck a less combative tone as he discussed the film at its festival press conference. He offered to screen “The Apprentice” for Trump and talk it over.

    “I don’t necessarily think that this is a movie he would dislike," said Abbasi. “I don’t necessarily think he would like it. I think he would be surprised, you know? And like I’ve said before, I would offer to go and meet him wherever he wants and talk about the context of the movie, have a screening and have a chat afterwards, if that’s interesting to anyone at the Trump campaign.”

    In the film, Cohn is depicted as a longtime mentor to Trump, coaching him in the ruthlessness of New York City politics and business. Early on, Cohn aided the Trump Organization when it was being sued by the federal government for racial discrimination in housing.

    “The Apprentice,” which is labeled as inspired by true events, portrays Trump’s dealings with Cohn as a Faustian bargain that guided his rise as a businessman and, later, as a politician. Stan’s Trump is initially a more naive real estate striver, soon transformed by Cohn’s education.

    The film notably contains a scene depicting Trump raping his wife, Ivana Trump (played by Maria Bakalova ). In Ivana Trump’s 1990 divorce deposition, she stated that Trump raped her. Trump denied the allegation and Ivana Trump later said she didn’t mean it literally, but rather that she had felt violated.

    That scene and others make “The Apprentice” a potentially explosive big-screen drama in the midst of the U.S. presidential election. The film is for sale in Cannes, so it doesn’t yet have a release date.

    After the premiere, Abbasi addressed the Cannes audience, saying “there is no nice metaphorical way to deal with the rising wave of fascism.”

    “The good people have been quiet for too long,” he said. "So I think it’s time to make movies relevant. It’s time to make movies political again.”

    Listing wars in Gaza, Ukraine and Sudan, Abbasi, whose previous film " Holy Spider " depicted a serial killer murdering women in Iran, warned of trouble ahead.

    “In the time of turmoil, there's this tendency to look inwards, to bury your head deep in the sand, look inside and hope for the best — hope for the best, hope for the storm to get away,” Abbasi said. “But the storm is not going to get away. The storm is coming. The worst times are coming.”

    The film's premiere unfolded while Trump's hush money trial continued in New York.


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  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196
    2023
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    POOTWH not testifying? Whaaaaaa? After all that complaining about being silenced and gagged and not allowed to talk? Whaaaaaaa? Thought for sure that the most innocent person ever persecuted would have had a few words, under oath. Suckers.
    but he's gagged though, silly.



    in all seriousness, i do not believe he understands that a gag order does not apply to testimony in a trial. his followers certainly do not understand that, so i guess no harm, no foul.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,381
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    POOTWH not testifying? Whaaaaaa? After all that complaining about being silenced and gagged and not allowed to talk? Whaaaaaaa? Thought for sure that the most innocent person ever persecuted would have had a few words, under oath. Suckers.
    but he's gagged though, silly.



    in all seriousness, i do not believe he understands that a gag order does not apply to testimony in a trial. his followers certainly do not understand that, so i guess no harm, no foul.
    He has lawyers for a reason (supposedly).
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  • Lerxst1992
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Many years and multiple threads about trump getting j ducted, and almost no comments regarding his likely only trial before Election Day?

    Not sure the prosecution proved that trump knew his CFO classified the payments to cohen falsely as legal fees.
    Hmmmmmm, sure.

    Was there supposed to be evidence in that comment? Just curious if there is a smoking gun that will get twelve jurors to vote for conviction beyond doubt. I hope they do but not seeing anything beyond a mistrial. I have seen the paper trail and not sure they have trump tied to the fraud. And cohen blew up on the stand. Twice.
  • ikiT
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    2023
    What'd I miss?
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,250
    2023
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Many years and multiple threads about trump getting j ducted, and almost no comments regarding his likely only trial before Election Day?

    Not sure the prosecution proved that trump knew his CFO classified the payments to cohen falsely as legal fees.
    Hmmmmmm, sure.

    Was there supposed to be evidence in that comment? Just curious if there is a smoking gun that will get twelve jurors to vote for conviction beyond doubt. I hope they do but not seeing anything beyond a mistrial. I have seen the paper trail and not sure they have trump tied to the fraud. And cohen blew up on the stand. Twice.
    I don't think Cohen blew up at all...depends on what you believe I guess. The defense's last witness was a disaster (Costello).
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,366
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    Do I know you? From inewton in the WaPo comments section:

    Just describe him for what he is — a German-American dictator wannabe, orange Godzilla on a destructive rampage through democracy, greedy grifter grandson of national-blood-poisoning immigrant, duke of dupes, king of crass, election-rigging, conscience-curdled chaos-catalyst, egregiously defamatory, moron-mesmerizing, amygdala-driven authoritarian, morally necrotic, national-security threatening, argumentative antagonist, vile villainous vitriolic-voiced vermin, black hole blitz on truth, gnat-brained nihilistic nitwit, cult-leading, snake-oil and tinfoil-lined red-hat vendor, grizzly grotesque geriatric glump, disgraced degenerate, twice-impeached, quadruply indicted, singularly unfit, emotionally cauterised, cruelly corrupt, fascist-fantasizing, hate-mongering, recklessly irresponsible, incivility inculcating, unceasingly selfish, pathological perjurer, insult-interjaculating offensive orator, loathsome logorrheic loudmouthed liar with pants afire, hip-deep hypocrite, self-aggrandizing, inexorably ignorant, medically-inerudite, psychologically distressed, aspiring autocrat, pitifully petty pandering, embiggened bigot, boringly banal, bilious bombastic blowhard, overpromoted overbearing obnoxious obese outlaw, chum-chucking, unsoaped potty-mouthed frequently-failed larcenous loser, self-contradicting disingenuous debauched deplorable, defective, tax-avoiding Cheeto-in-Cheat, unhinged lifelong feckless fake, uncontrollably uncouth, insurrection-inciting, convicted-criminal pardoning, Ukraine-undermining, prolific promise-breaking, eminently execrable, uniquely unqualified, contemptuous oath-breaking Constitution-shredding pouting puerile pretend-president, adjudicated as a sexual abuser and a massive financial fraudster, paphian Putin-spawned Puppy, heir to history’s hinterlands, bone-spurred draft dodger, ridiculously risible, sniveling, unstable, infantile indolent insolent inmate number P01135809.

    He is one of a kind. The mold must be destroyed.


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  • ikiT
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    Amen

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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,250
    2023
    I wonder if the lefties spread disinformation as much as the right/magats...I know that left leaning propaganda doesn't show up in my TikTok feed.

    The bullshit from the magat camp is unbelievable. A constant barrage of false bullshit. Similar to the shit we are seeing where three Pearl Jam shows in Kansas City have been cancelled due to the Butker comments. None of these people fact check anything they just automatically believe it.

    Point being...this is fucking dangerous. I see constant posts about tRump's rally crowds that are actually Obama and/or other rallys/concert crowds. Constant bullshit about how corrupt Biden is, how Biden wanted to assassinate tRump, etc.
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  • Merkin Baller
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    Gern Blansten said:
    I wonder if the lefties spread disinformation as much as the right/magats...I know that left leaning propaganda doesn't show up in my TikTok feed.

    The bullshit from the magat camp is unbelievable. A constant barrage of false bullshit. Similar to the shit we are seeing where three Pearl Jam shows in Kansas City have been cancelled due to the Butker comments. None of these people fact check anything they just automatically believe it.

    Point being...this is fucking dangerous. I see constant posts about tRump's rally crowds that are actually Obama and/or other rallys/concert crowds. Constant bullshit about how corrupt Biden is, how Biden wanted to assassinate tRump, etc.
    Just wait until AI really takes off. 

    We're so fucked. 
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,196
    edited May 2024
    2023
    Gern Blansten said:
    I wonder if the lefties spread disinformation as much as the right/magats...I know that left leaning propaganda doesn't show up in my TikTok feed.

    The bullshit from the magat camp is unbelievable. A constant barrage of false bullshit. Similar to the shit we are seeing where three Pearl Jam shows in Kansas City have been cancelled due to the Butker comments. None of these people fact check anything they just automatically believe it.

    Point being...this is fucking dangerous. I see constant posts about tRump's rally crowds that are actually Obama and/or other rallys/concert crowds. Constant bullshit about how corrupt Biden is, how Biden wanted to assassinate tRump, etc.
    i think the most obscene and dangerous of all the things he has ever said is that biden is wanting to, or actually attempted to assassinate him. his crazy followers believe that, and i am terrified that biden or someone close to him will be attacked like that guy almost killed pelosi's husband.

    his rhetoric is downright dangerous and it is going to get someone killed. and our fucking media normalizes it. it should be the lead story on every newspaper and evening cable "news" show, and after the lead it should be immediately debunked.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,381
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I wonder if the lefties spread disinformation as much as the right/magats...I know that left leaning propaganda doesn't show up in my TikTok feed.

    The bullshit from the magat camp is unbelievable. A constant barrage of false bullshit. Similar to the shit we are seeing where three Pearl Jam shows in Kansas City have been cancelled due to the Butker comments. None of these people fact check anything they just automatically believe it.

    Point being...this is fucking dangerous. I see constant posts about tRump's rally crowds that are actually Obama and/or other rallys/concert crowds. Constant bullshit about how corrupt Biden is, how Biden wanted to assassinate tRump, etc.
    i think the most obscene and dangerous of all the things he has ever said is that biden is wanting to, or actually attempted to assassinate him. his crazy followers believe that, and i am terrified that biden or someone close to him will be attacked like that guy almost killed pelosi's husband.

    his rhetoric is downright dangerous and it is going to get someone killed. and our fucking media normalizes it. it should be the lead story on every newspaper and evening cable "news" show, and after the lead it should be immediately debunked.
    This is an example of reliance on societal norms biting us in the ass. How long was the "fourth estate" seen as critical to a well-informed citizenry? And yet, who ever enforced that the "fourth estate" be honest and not self-serving? Politics in modern democracy are just "who can exploit vulnerabilities in their supporters' minds to yield the most votes" - not "who can govern best" (another norm being betrayed).
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,366
    2023
    benjs said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I wonder if the lefties spread disinformation as much as the right/magats...I know that left leaning propaganda doesn't show up in my TikTok feed.

    The bullshit from the magat camp is unbelievable. A constant barrage of false bullshit. Similar to the shit we are seeing where three Pearl Jam shows in Kansas City have been cancelled due to the Butker comments. None of these people fact check anything they just automatically believe it.

    Point being...this is fucking dangerous. I see constant posts about tRump's rally crowds that are actually Obama and/or other rallys/concert crowds. Constant bullshit about how corrupt Biden is, how Biden wanted to assassinate tRump, etc.
    i think the most obscene and dangerous of all the things he has ever said is that biden is wanting to, or actually attempted to assassinate him. his crazy followers believe that, and i am terrified that biden or someone close to him will be attacked like that guy almost killed pelosi's husband.

    his rhetoric is downright dangerous and it is going to get someone killed. and our fucking media normalizes it. it should be the lead story on every newspaper and evening cable "news" show, and after the lead it should be immediately debunked.
    This is an example of reliance on societal norms biting us in the ass. How long was the "fourth estate" seen as critical to a well-informed citizenry? And yet, who ever enforced that the "fourth estate" be honest and not self-serving? Politics in modern democracy are just "who can exploit vulnerabilities in their supporters' minds to yield the most votes" - not "who can govern best" (another norm being betrayed).
    The 4th Estate used to be made up of tons of independent media markets consisting of AM radio, small town/big city newspapers, some with multiple outlets, and 3 television stations. The "4th Estate" is a completely different beast these days, often owned and consolidated or even decommissioned, leaving some towns and cities without the local news coverage critical to a functioning democracy. Ronnie Rayguns, through elimination of the fairness doctrine, and Goebbles knew this well. Rupert Murdick should be deported.
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  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,381
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    benjs said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    I wonder if the lefties spread disinformation as much as the right/magats...I know that left leaning propaganda doesn't show up in my TikTok feed.

    The bullshit from the magat camp is unbelievable. A constant barrage of false bullshit. Similar to the shit we are seeing where three Pearl Jam shows in Kansas City have been cancelled due to the Butker comments. None of these people fact check anything they just automatically believe it.

    Point being...this is fucking dangerous. I see constant posts about tRump's rally crowds that are actually Obama and/or other rallys/concert crowds. Constant bullshit about how corrupt Biden is, how Biden wanted to assassinate tRump, etc.
    i think the most obscene and dangerous of all the things he has ever said is that biden is wanting to, or actually attempted to assassinate him. his crazy followers believe that, and i am terrified that biden or someone close to him will be attacked like that guy almost killed pelosi's husband.

    his rhetoric is downright dangerous and it is going to get someone killed. and our fucking media normalizes it. it should be the lead story on every newspaper and evening cable "news" show, and after the lead it should be immediately debunked.
    This is an example of reliance on societal norms biting us in the ass. How long was the "fourth estate" seen as critical to a well-informed citizenry? And yet, who ever enforced that the "fourth estate" be honest and not self-serving? Politics in modern democracy are just "who can exploit vulnerabilities in their supporters' minds to yield the most votes" - not "who can govern best" (another norm being betrayed).
    The 4th Estate used to be made up of tons of independent media markets consisting of AM radio, small town/big city newspapers, some with multiple outlets, and 3 television stations. The "4th Estate" is a completely different beast these days, often owned and consolidated or even decommissioned, leaving some towns and cities without the local news coverage critical to a functioning democracy. Ronnie Rayguns, through elimination of the fairness doctrine, and Goebbles knew this well. Rupert Murdick should be deported.
    That's all true - my point was just that at the end of the day it's still a "reliance on norms" issue that's biting society in the ass. No one ever guaranteed that the 4th estate would primarily be focused on education, that was just a naive assumption from the population. No one ever guaranteed that there would be a peaceful transfer of power from one POTUS to another, that was just another assumption. These assumptions are dangerous when an exploitative entity realizes that they can deviate from the expected (but not mandated) path, for their own interests.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    mickeyrat said:
    https://www.threads.net/@phlash0811/post/C7VdR6RtaW7/?xmt=AQGztcGc0rLeDIyWZZjs86_yNOqKvC4OuQ-u9gOKedbm3A
    Sounds like terrorists and terrorism to me. They should all be arrested for blocking the sidewalks and spewing hate.
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  • Poncier
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    mickeyrat said:
    https://www.threads.net/@phlash0811/post/C7VdR6RtaW7/?xmt=AQGztcGc0rLeDIyWZZjs86_yNOqKvC4OuQ-u9gOKedbm3A
    So he really did draw 30,000 folks to a NYC rally!
    This weekend we rock Portland
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