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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    2023
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    I suggest folks read the indictment.

    https://www.politico.com/f/?id=00000187-4d9a-dc00-a3d7-4d9f97b40000
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  • HughFreakingDillon
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    I love Jon Stewart

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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
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    HughFreakingDillon said:
    I love Jon Stewart

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    That was great & 100% spot on.
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,825
    I read the indictment. It's essentially the same charge 34 times, with the dates changed to reflect when he signed off on a payment. And each one includes the statement "intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal the commission thereof... " 

    I've been reading about the Cohen charges and what Trump is charged with and these are the questions I have; 

    What is the other crime? The money was to cover up an affair. The affair is not a crime. Paying someone off to keep quiet is not a crime. So what bigger crime are these payments part of that they covered up? None that I can think of. 
    Yes, I know Bragg isn't required to disclose the bigger crime. But come on, you just arrested a former president. It should be obvious what is going on, especially when what the payment was for you arrested him on isn't a crime.

    Some keep bringing up Cohen. Ok. If the other crime is the campaign donation that Cohen plead guilty to, then...
       These payments were not to cover up the donations, the payments were the donation, so that doesn't make sense.
       Is it still even a donation since Trump paid him back, plus an extra 90k for his work?
       Everything I read  with regards to Trump points to the payments being a campaign expense and therefore needed to be reported, not the donation that Cohen plead guilty to. And that is what these charges are for, misrepresentation of funds by not disclosing it. If that is the case, then there would be no bigger crime that is referred to 34 times. So nothing seems to point that what Cohen plead guilty to is the bigger crime here.

    I will have to disagree with those who think the Cohen case is a big factor. the dude plead guilty to 8 felonies, only 2 were connected to Trump. Before you say "well that's still 2 felonies!" I am not convinced he was guilty of those. For the same reasons above, I don't know if he was guilty. Was it really a donation? He was paid back in full and them some. Now it seems more of a reporting issue than a contribution issue. So why did he plead guilty to it? Because he was facing 5 charges of tax fraud  totaling $6 million (unrelated to Trump) that could carry a sentence of 5 years each, plus a charge of bank fraud that could carry a max of 30 years. He was caught dead to rights on those charges, so facing an offer of 3 years and only serving 18 months to plead guilty to everything, I t think any one of us would take that. You'd be an idiot not to. Why bother fighting the smallest of all the charges if it means even you win, you still serve lot more time?

    I'm not saying Trump didn't do anything wrong and he's an outstanding guy. I'm saying I haven't seen any evidence that brings this up from a misdemeanor to a felony. And not that I'm okay with someone with 34 misdemeanors being president, but that matters because the statute of limitations for the misdemeanor is gone.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,105
    2023
    Some of us get it.
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  • Out of My Mind and Time
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    No. A majority do not. 
  • mickeyrat
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,105
    2023
    Out of My Mind and Time said:
    No. A majority do not. 
    Do you have polling to suggest a majority doesn’t understand? There’s plenty of waaaaaay smarter legal types offering up explanations backed with facts. That folks choose to ignore them and want to exist in some alternate reality is on them.

    I look forward to POOTWH’s trial and it having its day in court. You know, to clear everything up and clear up his stellar reputation.

    Don’t we have a few NYC business owners that post on here? Maybe they can speak to whether they file false business records 34 times, pay hush money, I mean sign NDAs and misrepresent invoices to avoid taxes. Happens all the time, so I’ve been told.
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  • nicknyr15
    nicknyr15 Posts: 9,216
    edited April 2023
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Out of My Mind and Time said:
    No. A majority do not. 
    Do you have polling to suggest a majority doesn’t understand? There’s plenty of waaaaaay smarter legal types offering up explanations backed with facts. That folks choose to ignore them and want to exist in some alternate reality is on them.

    I look forward to POOTWH’s trial and it having its day in court. You know, to clear everything up and clear up his stellar reputation.

    Don’t we have a few NYC business owners that post on here? Maybe they can speak to whether they file false business records 34 times, pay hush money, I mean sign NDAs and misrepresent invoices to avoid taxes. Happens all the time, so I’ve been told.
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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,769

    Where can I go to review the evidence that convinced the 23 person grand jury to indict the former president? 
  • Go Beavers
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    Merkin Baller said:

    Where can I go to review the evidence that convinced the 23 person grand jury to indict the former president? 
    https://www.lawfareblog.com/new-york-trump-indictment-unsealed
  • Merkin Baller
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    Go Beavers said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    Where can I go to review the evidence that convinced the 23 person grand jury to indict the former president? 
    https://www.lawfareblog.com/new-york-trump-indictment-unsealed
    Thanks.
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,105
    2023
    Go Beavers said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    Where can I go to review the evidence that convinced the 23 person grand jury to indict the former president? 
    https://www.lawfareblog.com/new-york-trump-indictment-unsealed
    I suggest folks read both documents.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,105
    2023
    Dots! Who likes dots? Bottom of page 12, footnote. MMMMMMMM, like dots.

    1 This Statement of Facts contains certain of the information that is relevant to the events described herein, and does not contain all facts relevant to the charged conduct.

    I look forward to the discovery phase of the pre-trial motions.
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  • Kat
    Kat Posts: 4,956
    edited April 2023
    I saw a clip with Ari Melber of MSNBC talking with an attorney for the defendant and it seemed to me that they're going to try blaming it all on Michael Cohen. Time will tell. 
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  • mace1229
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    mickeyrat said:

    I didn't see anything about taxes mentioned in the indictment. 
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,576
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    Out of My Mind and Time said:
    No. A majority do not. 
    Yes the deplorable’s will never ever get it 
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  • Merkin Baller
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    mace1229 said:
    mickeyrat said:

    I didn't see anything about taxes mentioned in the indictment. 
    There's a couple mentions in the statement of facts. 
  • Out of My Mind and Time
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  • mace1229
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Go Beavers said:
    Merkin Baller said:

    Where can I go to review the evidence that convinced the 23 person grand jury to indict the former president? 
    https://www.lawfareblog.com/new-york-trump-indictment-unsealed
    I suggest folks read both documents.
    I had only read the indictment. I hadn't read the Statement of Facts that followed.

    That did answer most of the questions I had. And it sounds like he does lay out what the bigger crime was. He says multiple times the payment itself was illegal. 
    Seems odd because I've heard 100 times this week that there was no mention of the other crime and that he doesn't have to, but he says it "Lawyer A made the $130,000 payment through a shell corporation he set up and funded at a bank in Manhattan. This payment was illegal, and Lawyer A has since pleaded guilty to making an illegal campaign contribution."

    But I've also heard many times that the payment was fine, it was how it was recorded was wrong. I don't know, I guess we'll see in the coming months what it is.

    If hush money payment is illegal during a campaign, then I will admit my previous posts are wrong. But if not, and the only illegal part is how they recorded it, then that still stands there is no bigger crime to make this into a felony. 
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