---President Elect Musk and Convicted Criminal VP Elect Donald J Trump---

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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 39,246
    mickeyrat said:
    co-worker regularly listens to keith olbermanns podcast. olbermann claimed last night that a convicted felon cannot receive classified national security broefings....

    cursory search to verify hasnt yielded anything yet to confirm.

    suppose kinzinger would know....

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
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    Imagine, if you will, Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton or Barack Hussein Obama being convicted by a jury in a state court of 34 felonies and remaining the dem party front runner and nominee, having tens of millions supporters willing to vote for them and the ability to raise tens of millions of dollars, some from billionaires and a lot from every day, regular folks to run for a second term. Right, you can’t.

    Good luck, ‘Murica.
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,578
    He should have taken the stand & cried like a baby. 


  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 20,645
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    Christ this tRump press conference is the stupidest thing I've ever heard...what a fucking moron
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  • Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,674
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    He should have taken the stand & cried like a baby. 


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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,578
    Christ this tRump press conference is the stupidest thing I've ever heard...what a fucking moron
    Batshit crazy. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
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    Christ this tRump press conference is the stupidest thing I've ever heard...what a fucking moron
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  • sheckyshecky San Francisco Posts: 2,049

    In Trump trial there was no real crime but America just lost something it can never get back

    There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the D.A.'s indictment

    Published May 30, 2024 11:45pm EDT

    Donald Trump did not lose on Thursday.  Our once venerated legal system did.  And, by extension, all Americans lost something precious.  Because the failure of justice is a failure of the people. 

    The conviction of the former president in a Manhattan courtroom was preordained.  With the inexorable verdict, the ideals of a fair trial and an impartial jury faded into a figment of our Founders’ imaginations. They knew that the worst oppression is done by the color of law.  They feared it and tried to prevent it.  So, they, too, have lost.  

    No reversal on appeal can erase the ugly stain. It is indelible. Ethical integrity, equal justice, and the revered rule of law became the fateful casualties of this assault on liberty. There was no real crime to be found.  Prosecutors simply invented one —an undefined conspiracy that was factually impossible and unsupported anywhere in the criminal codes.  

     The trial itself that stretched for five agonizing weeks seemed a mere formality, a hollow exercise.  A bookkeeping entry magically morphed from an expired misdemeanor to an active felony in the way that a porcupine is transmogrified into a prince.  

     At trial, the accused was never informed of his alleged felonious conduct. It was an egregious violation of his Sixth Amendment rights.  Jurors were then given a creative menu of three possibilities and informed that our cherished constitutional principle of unanimity had gone the way of the dodo.  We still don’t know —and may never know— what conspiracy Trump supposedly committed.  

    District Attorney Alvin Bragg proved the English philosopher and jurist, Jeremy Bentham, correct.  "It is never the law itself that is in the wrong; it is always some wicked interpreter of the law that has corrupted and abused it."  

    But Bragg did not act alone.  His accomplice and co-prosecutor, Judge Juan Merchan, blithely disregarded the established rules of evidence, manipulated standards of admissibility to favor the prosecution, sanctioned prejudicial testimony bereft of probative value, and helped engineer a wrongful conviction by depriving Trump of a full and legitimate defense to which he was entitled. Merchan did all of this without conscience or regret.   

    There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the indictment. Facts were contrived or exaggerated.  Statutes were perverted or ignored.  The law enforcers became law-breakers.  Bragg’s scheme to exploit a pathological liar and convicted perjurer as his star witness was a devious maneuver by an unscrupulous prosecutor.

    On cue, Cohen lied to the jury, just as he had lied to everyone else.  It was no surprise coming from a man who told Congress, "I have lied, but I am not a liar."  That is a twisted syllogism from an insufferable reprobate.  

    The problem with liars is that, for them, truth has no meaning.  They are incapable of distinguishing fantasy from reality.  They lie to themselves about their own lies.  But that did not stop Bragg and his confederates from mining Cohen’s skills as an expert prevaricator in their relentless quest to convict Trump.  

    Did they suborn perjury? Absolutely. They knew Cohen would lie. They wanted him to. He did not disappoint.  

    Bragg never had authority to bring a case against Trump based on federal campaign finance violations, which appeared to be the centerpiece of his misbegotten case. That’s why he concealed it to the bitter end. A competent or unbiased judge would never have allowed it. Merchan was neither.  

    The tragic coda to the Trump trial is that Americans can no longer trust our system of justice.  Faith has been squandered. If it can be weaponized against a former president, it can happen to any of us. We are all at risk.  

    When a district attorney, who is a powerful force in government, abuses his position of trust to subvert the legal process, and when a judge acts in concert to dismantle the due process rights of the accused, our system of justice is threatened. Reverence to the rule of law is lost.

  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,578
    shecky said:

    In Trump trial there was no real crime but America just lost something it can never get back

    There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the D.A.'s indictment

    Published May 30, 2024 11:45pm EDT

    Donald Trump did not lose on Thursday.  

    I hate to break it to you, Shecky, but he did lose yesterday..  

    He lost bigly. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
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    shecky said:

    In Trump trial there was no real crime but America just lost something it can never get back

    There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the D.A.'s indictment

    Published May 30, 2024 11:45pm EDT

    Donald Trump did not lose on Thursday.  

    I hate to break it to you, Shecky, but he did lose yesterday..  

    He lost bigly. 
    Yea, and he's a convicted felon. 34Xs. CONVICTED FELON.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
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    Everything POOTWH is saying in his press conference, he could have said on the stand. FELON.
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  • Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,674
    I'm glad to see him convicted, but this trial came 2-3 years too late.  He's not going to serve jail time and can use the appeals process to push out any sentencing coming down on him for a while.  There are still enough dipshits who worship him to leave the Republicans to grease his rope and keep him as the face of their pathetic party.  It'll call come down to the independent/moderate vote just as it would have before the convictions. 
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,566
    I'm glad to see him convicted, but this trial came 2-3 years too late.  He's not going to serve jail time and can use the appeals process to push out any sentencing coming down on him for a while.  There are still enough dipshits who worship him to leave the Republicans to grease his rope and keep him as the face of their pathetic party.  It'll call come down to the independent/moderate vote just as it would have before the convictions. 
    and these convictions will give independents and moderates more reason to not vote for him.   I don't get the notion that I hear some people say that this helps him.  How can it help him?  The cult is voting for him anyway. Is anyone now going to vote for him because he is a convicted felon?  Don't see that.  
  • Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,674
    pjhawks said:
    I'm glad to see him convicted, but this trial came 2-3 years too late.  He's not going to serve jail time and can use the appeals process to push out any sentencing coming down on him for a while.  There are still enough dipshits who worship him to leave the Republicans to grease his rope and keep him as the face of their pathetic party.  It'll call come down to the independent/moderate vote just as it would have before the convictions. 
    and these convictions will give independents and moderates more reason to not vote for him.   I don't get the notion that I hear some people say that this helps him.  How can it help him?  The cult is voting for him anyway. Is anyone now going to vote for him because he is a convicted felon?  Don't see that.  

    I hope you're right, but you also have RFK Jr. stealing votes.  Biden hasn't really won over the middle during his term.  If this trial had come in a year not being an election year, I could see this affecting more people on the fence with November on the horizon.  I'm worried Trump's campaign and those who suck him off will be able to convince enough people this is just a ploy to interfere with his campaign.
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,169
    shecky said:

    In Trump trial there was no real crime but America just lost something it can never get back

    There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the D.A.'s indictment

    Published May 30, 2024 11:45pm EDT

    Donald Trump did not lose on Thursday.  Our once venerated legal system did.  And, by extension, all Americans lost something precious.  Because the failure of justice is a failure of the people. 

    The conviction of the former president in a Manhattan courtroom was preordained.  With the inexorable verdict, the ideals of a fair trial and an impartial jury faded into a figment of our Founders’ imaginations. They knew that the worst oppression is done by the color of law.  They feared it and tried to prevent it.  So, they, too, have lost.  

    No reversal on appeal can erase the ugly stain. It is indelible. Ethical integrity, equal justice, and the revered rule of law became the fateful casualties of this assault on liberty. There was no real crime to be found.  Prosecutors simply invented one —an undefined conspiracy that was factually impossible and unsupported anywhere in the criminal codes.  

     The trial itself that stretched for five agonizing weeks seemed a mere formality, a hollow exercise.  A bookkeeping entry magically morphed from an expired misdemeanor to an active felony in the way that a porcupine is transmogrified into a prince.  

     At trial, the accused was never informed of his alleged felonious conduct. It was an egregious violation of his Sixth Amendment rights.  Jurors were then given a creative menu of three possibilities and informed that our cherished constitutional principle of unanimity had gone the way of the dodo.  We still don’t know —and may never know— what conspiracy Trump supposedly committed.  

    District Attorney Alvin Bragg proved the English philosopher and jurist, Jeremy Bentham, correct.  "It is never the law itself that is in the wrong; it is always some wicked interpreter of the law that has corrupted and abused it."  

    But Bragg did not act alone.  His accomplice and co-prosecutor, Judge Juan Merchan, blithely disregarded the established rules of evidence, manipulated standards of admissibility to favor the prosecution, sanctioned prejudicial testimony bereft of probative value, and helped engineer a wrongful conviction by depriving Trump of a full and legitimate defense to which he was entitled. Merchan did all of this without conscience or regret.   

    There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the indictment. Facts were contrived or exaggerated.  Statutes were perverted or ignored.  The law enforcers became law-breakers.  Bragg’s scheme to exploit a pathological liar and convicted perjurer as his star witness was a devious maneuver by an unscrupulous prosecutor.

    On cue, Cohen lied to the jury, just as he had lied to everyone else.  It was no surprise coming from a man who told Congress, "I have lied, but I am not a liar."  That is a twisted syllogism from an insufferable reprobate.  

    The problem with liars is that, for them, truth has no meaning.  They are incapable of distinguishing fantasy from reality.  They lie to themselves about their own lies.  But that did not stop Bragg and his confederates from mining Cohen’s skills as an expert prevaricator in their relentless quest to convict Trump.  

    Did they suborn perjury? Absolutely. They knew Cohen would lie. They wanted him to. He did not disappoint.  

    Bragg never had authority to bring a case against Trump based on federal campaign finance violations, which appeared to be the centerpiece of his misbegotten case. That’s why he concealed it to the bitter end. A competent or unbiased judge would never have allowed it. Merchan was neither.  

    The tragic coda to the Trump trial is that Americans can no longer trust our system of justice.  Faith has been squandered. If it can be weaponized against a former president, it can happen to any of us. We are all at risk.  

    When a district attorney, who is a powerful force in government, abuses his position of trust to subvert the legal process, and when a judge acts in concert to dismantle the due process rights of the accused, our system of justice is threatened. Reverence to the rule of law is lost.

    Man, do you guys ever drink the Kool-Aid. Gregg Jarrett, author of "Witch Hunt" and "The Russia Hoax" just does what every Republican does - shut your own brains off and think what the orange men tells you to.
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  • Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,674
    pjhawks said:
    I'm glad to see him convicted, but this trial came 2-3 years too late.  He's not going to serve jail time and can use the appeals process to push out any sentencing coming down on him for a while.  There are still enough dipshits who worship him to leave the Republicans to grease his rope and keep him as the face of their pathetic party.  It'll call come down to the independent/moderate vote just as it would have before the convictions. 
    and these convictions will give independents and moderates more reason to not vote for him.   I don't get the notion that I hear some people say that this helps him.  How can it help him?  The cult is voting for him anyway. Is anyone now going to vote for him because he is a convicted felon?  Don't see that.  

    Also I don't think this helps him, I just don't believe it's going to impact the vote enough to have those wanting him out of office not clinching their butt cheeks when the votes are counted in November and then we have another "steal the election" bull shit put our democracy at risk.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
    2023
    How much Adderall did POOTWH sniff this morning? Fundraising plea. Grabbing black belts by the neck. Open borders. Languages we've never heard before. unknown languages. Many of them are not good people. Record numbers of terrorists coming in. 2019 was a POOTWH year. Highest level we've ever seen of terrorists coming in. Beautiful tents. Camp stoves. Cell phones. Chinese Army. I don't mind doing whatever I have to do to save our country. Stop MAGA. Our country is in serious trouble. We're 36 trillion dollars. Venezuela. Their prisons have been emptied. Congo. Congo has emptied their prisons and sending them to America. Unpleasant thing but a great honor. A rigged draft. Remember November 5th. Hook finally comes out.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,319
    2023
    shecky said:

    In Trump trial there was no real crime but America just lost something it can never get back

    There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the D.A.'s indictment

    Published May 30, 2024 11:45pm EDT

    Donald Trump did not lose on Thursday.  Our once venerated legal system did.  And, by extension, all Americans lost something precious.  Because the failure of justice is a failure of the people. 

    The conviction of the former president in a Manhattan courtroom was preordained.  With the inexorable verdict, the ideals of a fair trial and an impartial jury faded into a figment of our Founders’ imaginations. They knew that the worst oppression is done by the color of law.  They feared it and tried to prevent it.  So, they, too, have lost.  

    No reversal on appeal can erase the ugly stain. It is indelible. Ethical integrity, equal justice, and the revered rule of law became the fateful casualties of this assault on liberty. There was no real crime to be found.  Prosecutors simply invented one —an undefined conspiracy that was factually impossible and unsupported anywhere in the criminal codes.  

     The trial itself that stretched for five agonizing weeks seemed a mere formality, a hollow exercise.  A bookkeeping entry magically morphed from an expired misdemeanor to an active felony in the way that a porcupine is transmogrified into a prince.  

     At trial, the accused was never informed of his alleged felonious conduct. It was an egregious violation of his Sixth Amendment rights.  Jurors were then given a creative menu of three possibilities and informed that our cherished constitutional principle of unanimity had gone the way of the dodo.  We still don’t know —and may never know— what conspiracy Trump supposedly committed.  

    District Attorney Alvin Bragg proved the English philosopher and jurist, Jeremy Bentham, correct.  "It is never the law itself that is in the wrong; it is always some wicked interpreter of the law that has corrupted and abused it."  

    But Bragg did not act alone.  His accomplice and co-prosecutor, Judge Juan Merchan, blithely disregarded the established rules of evidence, manipulated standards of admissibility to favor the prosecution, sanctioned prejudicial testimony bereft of probative value, and helped engineer a wrongful conviction by depriving Trump of a full and legitimate defense to which he was entitled. Merchan did all of this without conscience or regret.   

    There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the indictment. Facts were contrived or exaggerated.  Statutes were perverted or ignored.  The law enforcers became law-breakers.  Bragg’s scheme to exploit a pathological liar and convicted perjurer as his star witness was a devious maneuver by an unscrupulous prosecutor.

    On cue, Cohen lied to the jury, just as he had lied to everyone else.  It was no surprise coming from a man who told Congress, "I have lied, but I am not a liar."  That is a twisted syllogism from an insufferable reprobate.  

    The problem with liars is that, for them, truth has no meaning.  They are incapable of distinguishing fantasy from reality.  They lie to themselves about their own lies.  But that did not stop Bragg and his confederates from mining Cohen’s skills as an expert prevaricator in their relentless quest to convict Trump.  

    Did they suborn perjury? Absolutely. They knew Cohen would lie. They wanted him to. He did not disappoint.  

    Bragg never had authority to bring a case against Trump based on federal campaign finance violations, which appeared to be the centerpiece of his misbegotten case. That’s why he concealed it to the bitter end. A competent or unbiased judge would never have allowed it. Merchan was neither.  

    The tragic coda to the Trump trial is that Americans can no longer trust our system of justice.  Faith has been squandered. If it can be weaponized against a former president, it can happen to any of us. We are all at risk.  

    When a district attorney, who is a powerful force in government, abuses his position of trust to subvert the legal process, and when a judge acts in concert to dismantle the due process rights of the accused, our system of justice is threatened. Reverence to the rule of law is lost.

    Ah, hey Greg? Not if you don't falsify business records. Pretty simple. Don't commit a crime, don't have to interact with our criminal justice system. Surely, you realize this, eh Greg?

    Are people this stupid?
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  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,940
    get ready for November....this Dickhead will do WHATEVER to win....especially after this, its gonna be worse than 2020. His life is OVER if he doesnt win, Hope these other issues dont prevent people from losing sight on whats at stake

    ill do my part

    feel like Batman 1989....all the morons in the street dying over dolla dolla bills while sucking up the poison...
  • Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,674
    CROJAM95 said:
    get ready for November....this Dickhead will do WHATEVER to win....especially after this, its gonna be worse than 2020. His life is OVER if he doesnt win, Hope these other issues dont prevent people from losing sight on whats at stake

    ill do my part

    feel like Batman 1989....all the morons in the street dying over dolla dolla bills while sucking up the poison...

    Just watch/re-watch the movie Idiocracy.
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  • CROJAM95CROJAM95 Posts: 9,940
    CROJAM95 said:
    get ready for November....this Dickhead will do WHATEVER to win....especially after this, its gonna be worse than 2020. His life is OVER if he doesnt win, Hope these other issues dont prevent people from losing sight on whats at stake

    ill do my part

    feel like Batman 1989....all the morons in the street dying over dolla dolla bills while sucking up the poison...

    Just watch/re-watch the movie Idiocracy.
    Isnt Stone in this one too, Like Office Space  =)

    I remember...Mike Judge is the man
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,566
    pjhawks said:
    I'm glad to see him convicted, but this trial came 2-3 years too late.  He's not going to serve jail time and can use the appeals process to push out any sentencing coming down on him for a while.  There are still enough dipshits who worship him to leave the Republicans to grease his rope and keep him as the face of their pathetic party.  It'll call come down to the independent/moderate vote just as it would have before the convictions. 
    and these convictions will give independents and moderates more reason to not vote for him.   I don't get the notion that I hear some people say that this helps him.  How can it help him?  The cult is voting for him anyway. Is anyone now going to vote for him because he is a convicted felon?  Don't see that.  

    Also I don't think this helps him, I just don't believe it's going to impact the vote enough to have those wanting him out of office not clinching their butt cheeks when the votes are counted in November and then we have another "steal the election" bull shit put our democracy at risk.
    while I'm confident yes I will be clenching those cheeks come November 5th.   I think neither candidate is getting the same number of votes they got last time.  I just have to trust my instinct that what went on since Trump's term has made him lose votes of a lot of people who aren't fully in the cult or 100% hard core republicans. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,805
    benjs said:
    shecky said:

    In Trump trial there was no real crime but America just lost something it can never get back

    There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the D.A.'s indictment

    Published May 30, 2024 11:45pm EDT

    Donald Trump did not lose on Thursday.  Our once venerated legal system did.  And, by extension, all Americans lost something precious.  Because the failure of justice is a failure of the people. 

    The conviction of the former president in a Manhattan courtroom was preordained.  With the inexorable verdict, the ideals of a fair trial and an impartial jury faded into a figment of our Founders’ imaginations. They knew that the worst oppression is done by the color of law.  They feared it and tried to prevent it.  So, they, too, have lost.  

    No reversal on appeal can erase the ugly stain. It is indelible. Ethical integrity, equal justice, and the revered rule of law became the fateful casualties of this assault on liberty. There was no real crime to be found.  Prosecutors simply invented one —an undefined conspiracy that was factually impossible and unsupported anywhere in the criminal codes.  

     The trial itself that stretched for five agonizing weeks seemed a mere formality, a hollow exercise.  A bookkeeping entry magically morphed from an expired misdemeanor to an active felony in the way that a porcupine is transmogrified into a prince.  

     At trial, the accused was never informed of his alleged felonious conduct. It was an egregious violation of his Sixth Amendment rights.  Jurors were then given a creative menu of three possibilities and informed that our cherished constitutional principle of unanimity had gone the way of the dodo.  We still don’t know —and may never know— what conspiracy Trump supposedly committed.  

    District Attorney Alvin Bragg proved the English philosopher and jurist, Jeremy Bentham, correct.  "It is never the law itself that is in the wrong; it is always some wicked interpreter of the law that has corrupted and abused it."  

    But Bragg did not act alone.  His accomplice and co-prosecutor, Judge Juan Merchan, blithely disregarded the established rules of evidence, manipulated standards of admissibility to favor the prosecution, sanctioned prejudicial testimony bereft of probative value, and helped engineer a wrongful conviction by depriving Trump of a full and legitimate defense to which he was entitled. Merchan did all of this without conscience or regret.   

    There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the indictment. Facts were contrived or exaggerated.  Statutes were perverted or ignored.  The law enforcers became law-breakers.  Bragg’s scheme to exploit a pathological liar and convicted perjurer as his star witness was a devious maneuver by an unscrupulous prosecutor.

    On cue, Cohen lied to the jury, just as he had lied to everyone else.  It was no surprise coming from a man who told Congress, "I have lied, but I am not a liar."  That is a twisted syllogism from an insufferable reprobate.  

    The problem with liars is that, for them, truth has no meaning.  They are incapable of distinguishing fantasy from reality.  They lie to themselves about their own lies.  But that did not stop Bragg and his confederates from mining Cohen’s skills as an expert prevaricator in their relentless quest to convict Trump.  

    Did they suborn perjury? Absolutely. They knew Cohen would lie. They wanted him to. He did not disappoint.  

    Bragg never had authority to bring a case against Trump based on federal campaign finance violations, which appeared to be the centerpiece of his misbegotten case. That’s why he concealed it to the bitter end. A competent or unbiased judge would never have allowed it. Merchan was neither.  

    The tragic coda to the Trump trial is that Americans can no longer trust our system of justice.  Faith has been squandered. If it can be weaponized against a former president, it can happen to any of us. We are all at risk.  

    When a district attorney, who is a powerful force in government, abuses his position of trust to subvert the legal process, and when a judge acts in concert to dismantle the due process rights of the accused, our system of justice is threatened. Reverence to the rule of law is lost.

    Man, do you guys ever drink the Kool-Aid. Gregg Jarrett, author of "Witch Hunt" and "The Russia Hoax" just does what every Republican does - shut your own brains off and think what the orange men tells you to.
    Agreed,  that's why I get all of my legal analysis from Jeanine Pirro. 
  • Glorified KCGlorified KC KCMO Native Posts: 2,674
    CROJAM95 said:
    CROJAM95 said:
    get ready for November....this Dickhead will do WHATEVER to win....especially after this, its gonna be worse than 2020. His life is OVER if he doesnt win, Hope these other issues dont prevent people from losing sight on whats at stake

    ill do my part

    feel like Batman 1989....all the morons in the street dying over dolla dolla bills while sucking up the poison...

    Just watch/re-watch the movie Idiocracy.
    Isnt Stone in this one too, Like Office Space  =)

    I remember...Mike Judge is the man
    On this pace we'll all be watering our lawns with Brondo.  IT'S WHAT PLANTS CRAVE!

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  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,749
    shecky said:

    In Trump trial there was no real crime but America just lost something it can never get back

    There was never any plausible evidence that Trump committed crimes. There was no legal basis for the D.A.'s indictment

    Published May 30, 2024 11:45pm EDT

    Donald Trump did not lose on Thursday.  Our once venerated legal system did.  And, by extension, all Americans lost something precious.  Because the failure of justice is a failure of the people. 

    The conviction of the former president in a Manhattan courtroom was preordained.  With the inexorable verdict, the ideals of a fair trial and an impartial jury faded into a figment of our Founders’ imaginations. They knew that the worst oppression is done by the color of law.  They feared it and tried to prevent it.  So, they, too, have lost.  



    …. 

    Here is what Trumps own DOJ said about these actions while trump was president 

    brazen violations of the election laws”

    and trumps refused to commute cohens sentence.

    was trump lying then or now? 
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,749
    I'm glad to see him convicted, but this trial came 2-3 years too late.  He's not going to serve jail time and can use the appeals process to push out any sentencing coming down on him for a while.  There are still enough dipshits who worship him to leave the Republicans to grease his rope and keep him as the face of their pathetic party.  It'll call come down to the independent/moderate vote just as it would have before the convictions. 

    I think you’re not considering he will be sentenced in early July and be appointed a probation officer

    Judge can sentence him to community service, and schedule a new hearing every time he threatens the court for more community service . That will keep him off the campaign trail and in a NY courtroom. Every time he opens his mouth.

    it shows how powerful trumps lying is when those who don’t even like him don’t realize the power his home state has over convicted felons




  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,761
    The contradictory nature of the fringe republican party and the talking heads on Fox News and the alike is comical. 

    Just watching their reaction to the verdict... all I can think about is:  Where was this outrage when January 6th happened? Everything they are complaining about can be properly applied to the outrage they SHOULD have felt when Jan 6th occurred. 

    Also... America... fuckin' figure it out already, eh.  
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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,747
    I’m holding out hope that the women and youngsters will determine the next President and I’m almost positive they won’t be voting for trump.  I believe that women know what’s coming next if trump wins and I believe that we’re all pissed off enough to ensure Biden wins. 
    No wrath like that of a woman.  
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