Will ‘Can’t Deny Me’ show up on the next album?

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  • FR181798FR181798 Posts: 2,166
    edited November 2022
    I know a band who had a great b-side to one of their singles which they then re recorded and put out on their next record. To be fair it was almost too good just to be a b side. It's also not totally uncommon to rework older songs that maybe don't fit with one album.
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  • Drive By Truckers did this with The Perilous Night. Came out as a vinyl single and a slightly reworked version appeared two albums later. Of course, that song rocks, and I had no qualms about it on the record. It worked with the new group of songs.
  • BrainofBGABrainofBGA Posts: 4,183
    Not sure about Can’t  Deny Me but you never know, some of the other unheard tracks from those sessions might!?
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  • D-RodD-Rod Posts: 1,843
    It will be on Lost Dog’s II with Cold Confessions , Let it Ride, Leatherman,  Of the Earth and Coal mine Fucker 
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  • gibbitsgibbits Posts: 507
    Everyone says CDM was from a different session but if you look at the last Deep Mag you can see some of the recording session lists and it is chilling there with some Gigaton songs we know (cant remember what offhand, I'm not at my normal workspace to check)
  • StoveStove Posts: 320
    Hopefully never...that song was very meh...And I love Pearl Jam.  ;)
  • PapPap Posts: 28,900
    demetrios said:
    danny said:
    nope
    It seems to have a similar fate to Of The Earth. That being said, I'd love to see Get It Back played live on their next tour.
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  • Pap said:
    demetrios said:
    danny said:
    nope
    It seems to have a similar fate to Of The Earth. That being said, I'd love to see Get It Back played live on their next tour.
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  • wnh1977wnh1977 Posts: 621
    edited November 2022
    I think it's fairly clear that the answer is "NO", "Can't Deny Me" will not ever make a studio album.  There's been a studio version out for 4+ years.  It would make absolutely no sense.  

    I didn't realize it was disliked so much.  I think it's ok.  I don't even hate "Ole".  I think "CDM" and "Ole" are as good or better than some album tracks over the years... I'm looking at you "Get Right". 

    Somebody said "CDM" maybe has gone the way of "Of the Earth", just not ever making an album... I disagree.  There is still no studio cut of "Of the Earth"!  I think they should do like Radiohead did with "True Love Waits"... a song that floated around forever, performed live even, then they finally put it out on A Moon Shaped Pool.  "Of the Earth" should make an album... I think it would've fit amazingly well on Gigaton... I would've dropped a couple tracks to make room for it on Gigaton.    
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  • The rumor is that the band tried doing Of The Earth and with various edits, mixes and re-workings, it just didn't "sound right" or whatever they said.

    Don't forget about I'm Still Here, from whenever that was from. (I still contend it was from the No Code era, but I've also heard that's not true.)
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  • GlowGirlGlowGirl Posts: 10,831
    Pap said:
    demetrios said:
    danny said:
    nope
    It seems to have a similar fate to Of The Earth. That being said, I'd love to see Get It Back played live on their next tour.
    I was listening to Get It Back today. I would love to see it live.

  • wnh1977 said:

    I didn't realize it was disliked so much.  I think it's ok.  I don't even hate "Ole".  I think "CDM" and "Ole" are as good or better than some album tracks over the years... I'm looking at you "Get Right". 

    Somebody said "CDM" maybe has gone the way of "Of the Earth", just not ever making an album... I disagree.  There is still no studio cut of "Of the Earth"!  I think they should do like Radiohead did with "True Love Waits"... a song that floated around forever, performed live even, then they finally put it out on A Moon Shaped Pool.  "Of the Earth" should make an album... I think it would've fit amazingly well on Gigaton... I would've dropped a couple tracks to make room for it on Gigaton.    

    I'll not stand for any "Get Right" slander.

    FWIW, I believe Brain of J was a live track before being recorded for Yield. So maybe there's hope for "Of the Earth." I hope so. 
  • The rumor is that the band tried doing Of The Earth and with various edits, mixes and re-workings, it just didn't "sound right" or whatever they said.

    Don't forget about I'm Still Here, from whenever that was from. (I still contend it was from the No Code era, but I've also heard that's not true.)
    yeah, I think they tried recording it 5 or 6 times from what I recall, and it never sounded right. I think it's kinda neat to have a "live only" track, especially these days. 
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  • wnh1977 said:
    I think it's fairly clear that the answer is "NO", "Can't Deny Me" will not ever make a studio album.  There's been a studio version out for 4+ years.  It would make absolutely no sense.  

    I didn't realize it was disliked so much.  I think it's ok.  I don't even hate "Ole".  I think "CDM" and "Ole" are as good or better than some album tracks over the years... I'm looking at you "Get Right". 

    Somebody said "CDM" maybe has gone the way of "Of the Earth", just not ever making an album... I disagree.  There is still no studio cut of "Of the Earth"!  I think they should do like Radiohead did with "True Love Waits"... a song that floated around forever, performed live even, then they finally put it out on A Moon Shaped Pool.  "Of the Earth" should make an album... I think it would've fit amazingly well on Gigaton... I would've dropped a couple tracks to make room for it on Gigaton.    
    no....get out of here
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  • goldrushgoldrush Posts: 7,491
    edited November 2022
    I don’t mind Can’t Deny Me, but I’m not a fan of the vocals. It’s a decent enough song that would’ve been ok as a holiday single. 
    I don’t think it should be on the next record though. I’d much rather brand new songs that fit together.
    It belongs on Lost Dogs II now.
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  • wnh1977wnh1977 Posts: 621
    wnh1977 said:
    I think it's fairly clear that the answer is "NO", "Can't Deny Me" will not ever make a studio album.  There's been a studio version out for 4+ years.  It would make absolutely no sense.  

    I didn't realize it was disliked so much.  I think it's ok.  I don't even hate "Ole".  I think "CDM" and "Ole" are as good or better than some album tracks over the years... I'm looking at you "Get Right". 

    Somebody said "CDM" maybe has gone the way of "Of the Earth", just not ever making an album... I disagree.  There is still no studio cut of "Of the Earth"!  I think they should do like Radiohead did with "True Love Waits"... a song that floated around forever, performed live even, then they finally put it out on A Moon Shaped Pool.  "Of the Earth" should make an album... I think it would've fit amazingly well on Gigaton... I would've dropped a couple tracks to make room for it on Gigaton.    
    no....get out of here
    "Get Right" should get out of here.  I'm just kidding.  I said I didn't hate "Ole", but it definitely isn't great.  I hold it in the same regard as "Get Right"... Lost Dogs 2 or a holiday single would've been sufficient for both.  I think I dislike let "Let the Records Play" and "Sleeping By Myself" even more than "Get Right".  

    I honestly don't think I'd remove a song off their first 5 studio albums, I think they're all that good... maybe subtract a couple of the throwaway experimental tracks off Vitalogy?  Starting with Binaural, there are definitely album tracks I would've left off... "Avacado" and Gigaton maybe being the exceptions... I don't think there are bad tracks on them.
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  • NiktoNikto Posts: 138
    FR181798 said:
    I know a band who had a great b-side to one of their singles which they then re recorded and put out on their next record. To be fair it was almost too good just to be a b side. It's also not totally uncommon to rework older songs that maybe don't fit with one album.

    Green Day did it with Time of your Life (Good Riddance), Good Riddance was a b-side to the Brain Stew single, was slightly reworked, slowed down and strings added, put on the next album and it became a huge song for them.

    Stereophonics has done it a couple of time too, they released a song called Forever as a b-side in 2008 and added it to their new album released in March 2022, same recording.  That single didn't get a huge release at them time, was only released on vinyl in limited numbers but that was 14 years later.

    But I think CDM missed its opportunity to 'be on the forthcoming album'. 
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  • CDM should have been on Gigaton and capped off a truly awful LP. Ive listened to the album twice and that was enough 

  • igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,939
    rock4ever said:
    CDM should have been on Gigaton and capped off a truly awful LP. Ive listened to the album twice and that was enough 

    It isn't though 
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  • Abe FromanAbe Froman Posts: 5,266
    rock4ever said:
    CDM should have been on Gigaton and capped off a truly awful LP. Ive listened to the album twice and that was enough 

    It’s a great record. Replace Buckle Up with Of the Earth and it’s on another level. I’m fine with CDM being what it is. Don’t need it on an album. 
  • SM187650SM187650 Posts: 780
    Predaking said:
    wnh1977 said:

    I didn't realize it was disliked so much.  I think it's ok.  I don't even hate "Ole".  I think "CDM" and "Ole" are as good or better than some album tracks over the years... I'm looking at you "Get Right". 

    Somebody said "CDM" maybe has gone the way of "Of the Earth", just not ever making an album... I disagree.  There is still no studio cut of "Of the Earth"!  I think they should do like Radiohead did with "True Love Waits"... a song that floated around forever, performed live even, then they finally put it out on A Moon Shaped Pool.  "Of the Earth" should make an album... I think it would've fit amazingly well on Gigaton... I would've dropped a couple tracks to make room for it on Gigaton.    

    I'll not stand for any "Get Right" slander.

    FWIW, I believe Brain of J was a live track before being recorded for Yield. So maybe there's hope for "Of the Earth." I hope so. 
    I completely agree. Get right is my second favourite Pearl Jam song. One notch below state of love and trust for me. 
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