State of elections since 2020

Gern Blansten

brianlux said:

These men, and many more like them, with support from many women, fought against fascism and fascist.  They did not vote for them.  (That's my Pop on the far left):

great pic...where was this?

Halifax2TheMax

Merkin Baller said:

Machete-wielding teen arrested after group accused of intimidating Democratic supporters at Florida polling station, police say

Caleb James Williams was arrested after allegedly brandishing his weapon at two women, ages 71 and 54, police said.

Police arrested an 18-year-old wielding a machete with an 18-inch blade outside a polling station in Florida on Tuesday, who was part of a group of teenagers accused of intimidating Democratic supporters.

The teenager, Caleb James Williams, was arrested after 4 p.m. when officers were called to the Beaches Branch Library in Neptune Beach.

Williams was arrested on charges of aggravated assault for allegedly brandishing his weapon at two unidentified women, ages 71 and 54, and improper exhibition of a weapon, Neptune Beach Police Department said.

The local Democratic campaign said it was "deeply concerned" about the Tuesday's events, in which it said a group of young men waving signs supporting former President Donald Trump confronted a group holding signs promoting Kamala Harris.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2024-election/machete-wielding-teen-arrested-group-accused-intimidating-democrat-sup-rcna177981

Must have been antiiiiiiiiifa! Or crisis actors! Or Hillary after a sex change operation after drinking children’s blood! Or Soros disguised as a male Hillary after drinking children’s blood! Or Obama dressed as Soros disguised as a male Hillary after drinking children’s blood warmed with a space laser! Many people are saying!

mickeyrat

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

These men, and many more like them, with support from many women, fought against fascism and fascist.  They did not vote for them.  (That's my Pop on the far left):

great pic...where was this?

guessing south pacific

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

These men, and many more like them, with support from many women, fought against fascism and fascist.  They did not vote for them.  (That's my Pop on the far left):

great pic...where was this?

Thanks!

This was in the Soloman Islands during WWII.  The enlisted men were not supposed to have cameras, but one of my father's buddies had stashed a camera in his gear and was able to procure the chemicals needed to develop the film.  Decades later, when he knew he was dying, the man who took those photographs send them all to my father for safe keeping.  Those photographs are now in the Vallejo Naval & Historical museum on Mare Island, California.

The men and women of this era fought to preserve our freedom.  This is a big reason why it is essential for us to not allow a fascist dictator to take control of our country.

brianlux

Just curious, what do all see what America is going to look like after next week has come and gone?  It seems as though a lot of people are seeing it as being filled with tons of violence and conflict.  Sorry to say, I think there will be some of that.  But even more so, I wonder if there will just be a lot of exhaustion and ennui no matter what happens.  True, half the people will celebrate while the other half wrings their hands, but when that wears off (like, on a much smaller scale, say the current exhilaration Dodgers fans are feeling, and the let down the Yankees fans like me are feeling), what will come after the partying on one side and the more immediate despair on the other side has passed?

Just curious.

lastexitlondon

In England everyone wanted the old government gone. It went . The new one is upsetting just as many people.
My conclusion is nobody can do anything now whilst the big countries have 2 party politics. 
It's all so in your face now with computers and phones nobody actually does anything except have opinions but no action.
The world has come undone

Gern Blansten

brianlux said:

Just curious, what do all see what America is going to look like after next week has come and gone?  It seems as though a lot of people are seeing it as being filled with tons of violence and conflict.  Sorry to say, I think there will be some of that.  But even more so, I wonder if there will just be a lot of exhaustion and ennui no matter what happens.  True, half the people will celebrate while the other half wrings their hands, but when that wears off (like, on a much smaller scale, say the current exhilaration Dodgers fans are feeling, and the let down the Yankees fans like me are feeling), what will come after the partying on one side and the more immediate despair on the other side has passed?

Just curious.

hard to say...trump isn't in power so he won't be in control like J6. 

If he wins it will just be a bunch of flexing and bloviating. The dumbass crew will be unleashed on us (Bannon, Stone, Giuliani, etc.) and will start insulting anyone without a red hat on.

If he loses he will say it's rigged and cry like a little bitch until he dies.

Get_Right

lastexitlondon said:

In England everyone wanted the old government gone. It went . The new one is upsetting just as many people.
My conclusion is nobody can do anything now whilst the big countries have 2 party politics. 
It's all so in your face now with computers and phones nobody actually does anything except have opinions but no action.
The world has come undone

I hate to say it but I agree. It really has become a business rather than representation for the people, by the people.

brianlux

Get_Right said:

lastexitlondon said:

In England everyone wanted the old government gone. It went . The new one is upsetting just as many people.
My conclusion is nobody can do anything now whilst the big countries have 2 party politics. 
It's all so in your face now with computers and phones nobody actually does anything except have opinions but no action.
The world has come undone

I hate to say it but I agree. It really has become a business rather than representation for the people, by the people.

I tend to agree with this.  But I don't think it's anything new.  Big business and the very rich have run most developed countries for quite some time.

But what we are faced with in the coming election is the possibility of Trump being elected back into office and placing yet more power into the hands of the most wealthy and powerful people who will do the most harm to the planet.  The thing a lot of people seem to forget or somehow don't realize is that if we are not more focused on lessening our impact on the planet- things like climate change, over-extraction of natural resources, wildlife habitat, pollution, energy consumption, natural cycles- this planet will become inhospitable in increasingly more places to human life , leading to mass migration and huge numbers of deaths.  I'm not saying this as a bunch of doom-saying. It's just simple fact.  Climate change alone is already having a major impact on our well being.

And I'm not saying the Democratic party and Kamala Harris are the be all and end all champions of the environment.  But with Harris, we'll at least have the minor environmental protections still in place and we will all get to vote again next year.  Neither party has really done enough to reduce carbon in the atmosphere and slow climate change.  But if Trump is elected, all bets are off.  Many, if not most, of the small gains we've made to protect the environment will be retracted.  The problems cause by climate change, pollution, and the disruption of natural cycles will be exacerbated and our children will pay dearly for our foolishness. 

I'm not saying any of this to save my ass.  I'm old.  I will be dead.  The children will suffer.  That's just simple fact.

Get_Right

Brian, I appreciate your point of view. I agree. And you are 100% right.
But what can we really do about it? 

lastexitlondon

We  can't. And I don't think anyone ever has been. The children always suffer and have for years. I agree

brianlux

Get_Right said:

Brian, I appreciate your point of view. I agree. And you are 100% right.
But what can we really do about it? 

Great question, Get.  For me, it always falls back to something Vaclav Havel once said.  (Paraphrased):  Hope is not the conviction that things will turn out well.  Hope is the conviction to do what makes sense no matter how things turn out.

I think the best we can do is to do what makes the most sense.  Sometimes that comes down to having to choose the less harmful of two choices.  That can be very frustrating, I know, but I think it beats giving in to despair or giving up altogether. 

mickeyrat

found more voter fraud.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/steve-curtis-former-colorado-gop-chairman-sentenced-for-voter-fraud/

OnWis97

Whoever smelt it dealt it.

mickeyrat

tell us how you really feel mr da.....

https://www.threads.net/@kds9515/post/DB94PDsyR7d?xmt=AQGz-USk9wy2ouWLn-3toN4XGCq4M0PPr5PlbHWX5zzPlg

mickeyrat

bold....

https://www.threads.net/@billt801/post/DB-NbCkATVn?xmt=AQGz1Xb9CT-nXoynEPoXV6bJQIqIj7031_X89yozR3ip9A

Get_Right

brianlux said:

Get_Right said:

Brian, I appreciate your point of view. I agree. And you are 100% right.
But what can we really do about it? 

Great question, Get.  For me, it always falls back to something Vaclav Havel once said.  (Paraphrased):  Hope is not the conviction that things will turn out well.  Hope is the conviction to do what makes sense no matter how things turn out.

I think the best we can do is to do what makes the most sense.  Sometimes that comes down to having to choose the less harmful of two choices.  That can be very frustrating, I know, but I think it beats giving in to despair or giving up altogether. 

Apologies, Brian I just saw this today. I think the problem was the lack of the conviction you speak about. And I agree that you have to take one position or the other, even if it is the lesser of two evils. Exercise your right, that is important. I am just reflecting on how poor the Dems campaign was. I cannot even stand here saying I knew what Kamala stood for. Her message, if she had one, was not received by the American public. This should have been a slam dunk. They blew it.

mickeyrat

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

Get_Right said:

Brian, I appreciate your point of view. I agree. And you are 100% right.
But what can we really do about it? 

Great question, Get.  For me, it always falls back to something Vaclav Havel once said.  (Paraphrased):  Hope is not the conviction that things will turn out well.  Hope is the conviction to do what makes sense no matter how things turn out.

I think the best we can do is to do what makes the most sense.  Sometimes that comes down to having to choose the less harmful of two choices.  That can be very frustrating, I know, but I think it beats giving in to despair or giving up altogether. 

Apologies, Brian I just saw this today. I think the problem was the lack of the conviction you speak about. And I agree that you have to take one position or the other, even if it is the lesser of two evils. Exercise your right, that is important. I am just reflecting on how poor the Dems campaign was. I cannot even stand here saying I knew what Kamala stood for. Her message, if she had one, was not received by the American public. This should have been a slam dunk. They blew it.

were you waiting to be spoonfed that or did you put effort in to find out at all?

brianlux

Get_Right said:

brianlux said:

Get_Right said:

Brian, I appreciate your point of view. I agree. And you are 100% right.
But what can we really do about it? 

Great question, Get.  For me, it always falls back to something Vaclav Havel once said.  (Paraphrased):  Hope is not the conviction that things will turn out well.  Hope is the conviction to do what makes sense no matter how things turn out.

I think the best we can do is to do what makes the most sense.  Sometimes that comes down to having to choose the less harmful of two choices.  That can be very frustrating, I know, but I think it beats giving in to despair or giving up altogether. 

Apologies, Brian I just saw this today. I think the problem was the lack of the conviction you speak about. And I agree that you have to take one position or the other, even if it is the lesser of two evils. Exercise your right, that is important. I am just reflecting on how poor the Dems campaign was. I cannot even stand here saying I knew what Kamala stood for. Her message, if she had one, was not received by the American public. This should have been a slam dunk. They blew it.

I agree, Harris campaign could have been much better.  But bear in mind, it was put together in a very short period of time.  If Biden had dropped out and there had been an open convention, things could have turned out much differently.  

In any case, the bottom line is America voted in an amoral felon, voted for autocratic rule and the end of democracy, voted for the further degradation of the environment (and thus putting our own survival at risk), and voted in favor of a situation that will reduce the quality all of our lives.  Americans did that.  WE blew it.

jimjam1982

I see the left wing run governors that are "still counting votes" are putting in overtime to make it closer then it is.  Sad.  Must end. Count faster. 

Gern Blansten

jimjam1982 said:

I see the left wing run governors that are "still counting votes" are putting in overtime to make it closer then it is.  Sad.  Must end. Count faster. 

The governors aren't doing shit...did you take civics in high school?

Lerxst1992

jimjam1982 said:

I see the left wing run governors that are "still counting votes" are putting in overtime to make it closer than Maybe you it is.  Sad.  Must end. Count faster. 

Perhaps before bloviating uninformed comments it would do some good to familiarize yourself with state laws for counting votes,in places like California that currently has the most remaining votes to count

Also, perhaps the violent wing of American politics should stop with the bomb threats, which is only slowing down the count.

jeez, your guy won, and you still found a complaint. Not that you are here for civil discussions.




XXXX

California,

• Vote-by-mail ballots that are mailed must be postmarked on or before Election Day and received by your county elections office no later than 7 days after Election Day.  

Does the President have a say in what ballots are counted and accepted in California?

No. States and county elections officials are in charge of elections. County elections officials are responsible for printing, mailing and counting votes. The vote count process is open to the public.

WASHINGTON, Nov 9 (Reuters) - Bomb threats were made against several Maryland boards of elections and election offices in at least two California counties on Friday, state authorities said, adding that everyone was safe and law enforcement officials were investigating.

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

jimjam1982 said:

I see the left wing run governors that are "still counting votes" are putting in overtime to make it closer then it is.  Sad.  Must end. Count faster. 

The governors aren't doing shit...did you take civics in high school?

Obviously some people get their information from FB memes and other social media blips on the screen.  The Governor and Attorney General in mine and other states are hard at work these days.  And by that, obviously, I mean doing more than counting votes.  That's not their job.

I feel a little bit sorry for people who are not even moderately educated in how our system works, yet have all kinds of opinions about government and politics. 

Lerxst1992

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

jimjam1982 said:

I see the left wing run governors that are "still counting votes" are putting in overtime to make it closer then it is.  Sad.  Must end. Count faster. 

The governors aren't doing shit...did you take civics in high school?

Obviously some people get their information from FB memes and other social media blips on the screen.  The Governor and Attorney General in mine and other states are hard at work these days.  And by that, obviously, I mean doing more than counting votes.  That's not their job.

I feel a little bit sorry for people who are not even moderately educated in how our system works, yet have all kinds of opinions about government and politics. 

A big block of trump supporters don’t give one iota of care whether trump does anything to make their lives better. Instead it’s like a sports game to them. All they care about is the score and that they “won.”

Gern Blansten

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

jimjam1982 said:

I see the left wing run governors that are "still counting votes" are putting in overtime to make it closer then it is.  Sad.  Must end. Count faster. 

The governors aren't doing shit...did you take civics in high school?

Obviously some people get their information from FB memes and other social media blips on the screen.  The Governor and Attorney General in mine and other states are hard at work these days.  And by that, obviously, I mean doing more than counting votes.  That's not their job.

I feel a little bit sorry for people who are not even moderately educated in how our system works, yet have all kinds of opinions about government and politics. 

A big block of trump supporters don’t give one iota of care whether trump does anything to make their lives better. Instead it’s like a sports game to them. All they care about is the score and that they “won.”

Yeah and they don't care about exploding deficits...unless a dem is in office

Honestly a lot of what trump ran on sounds like a free spending liberal (i.e. no tax on tips, no tax on SS, free IVF, etc.)

Bentleyspop

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

jimjam1982 said:

I see the left wing run governors that are "still counting votes" are putting in overtime to make it closer then it is.  Sad.  Must end. Count faster. 

The governors aren't doing shit...did you take civics in high school?

Obviously some people get their information from FB memes and other social media blips on the screen.  The Governor and Attorney General in mine and other states are hard at work these days.  And by that, obviously, I mean doing more than counting votes.  That's not their job.

I feel a little bit sorry for people who are not even moderately educated in how our system works, yet have all kinds of opinions about government and politics. 

A big block of trump supporters don’t give one iota of care whether trump does anything to make their lives better. Instead it’s like a sports game to them. All they care about is the score and that they “won.”

As long as libs are owned they don't  care what happens to America and Americans.
Or themselves clearly.

brianlux

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

jimjam1982 said:

I see the left wing run governors that are "still counting votes" are putting in overtime to make it closer then it is.  Sad.  Must end. Count faster. 

The governors aren't doing shit...did you take civics in high school?

Obviously some people get their information from FB memes and other social media blips on the screen.  The Governor and Attorney General in mine and other states are hard at work these days.  And by that, obviously, I mean doing more than counting votes.  That's not their job.

I feel a little bit sorry for people who are not even moderately educated in how our system works, yet have all kinds of opinions about government and politics. 

A big block of trump supporters don’t give one iota of care whether trump does anything to make their lives better. Instead it’s like a sports game to them. All they care about is the score and that they “won.”

"like a sports game".  Exactly.  It's all about the "winning", even when winning is actually losing.  We all lost this time.

Perhaps Felon supporters will start to care when it really hurts.  And I don't like to wish bad things on people, but I hope it does hurt... a lot.    But it's like tough love.  Sometimes that is what is needed.  Otherwise you end up in a bottomless pit, and if the suffering leads to coming out better and wiser on the other end, hardship and even suffering may be what is needed in the long run.

Yes, that means we will all hurt, and yes, that is unfair.  So we need to support each other in whatever way we can.  People who care and are supportive will get through this better who are not learning from this and who are selfish and uncaring.

Bentleyspop said:

Lerxst1992 said:

brianlux said:

Gern Blansten said:

jimjam1982 said:

I see the left wing run governors that are "still counting votes" are putting in overtime to make it closer then it is.  Sad.  Must end. Count faster. 

The governors aren't doing shit...did you take civics in high school?

Obviously some people get their information from FB memes and other social media blips on the screen.  The Governor and Attorney General in mine and other states are hard at work these days.  And by that, obviously, I mean doing more than counting votes.  That's not their job.

I feel a little bit sorry for people who are not even moderately educated in how our system works, yet have all kinds of opinions about government and politics. 

A big block of trump supporters don’t give one iota of care whether trump does anything to make their lives better. Instead it’s like a sports game to them. All they care about is the score and that they “won.”

As long as libs are owned they don't  care what happens to America and Americans.
Or themselves clearly.

Exactly.  Or each other, and definitely not the planet that sustains us all.

brianlux

A friend send this excerpt from a NY Times article (sorry, no link, just the quote).  It kind of makes sense... if you live in NY, CA, VA, WA, OR, etc. 

“Since the election, I have decided to pretend that NY seceded from the US and treat news coming from DC as if is come from a foreign country. It’s of interest, but remotely so. Regarding this news, I feel the same way. It’s not a matter over which I have any control, and I have about as much interest as I would reading about the appointment of a new cabinet minister in Hungary or Russia. My focus is instead on enhancing my local and state communities, but of course also protecting them if attacked by that foreign country south of the New York—Pennsylvania border.”

I rather like the idea of referring to myself as a Californian rather than an American.  Even more specifically, though originally a coastal wetlands Californian, I am currently a transition zone savanna/mixed woodlands/coniferous forest bioregion Californian. 

josevolution

brianlux said:

A friend send this excerpt from a NY Times article (sorry, no link, just the quote).  It kind of makes sense... if you live in NY, CA, VA, WA, OR, etc. 

“Since the election, I have decided to pretend that NY seceded from the US and treat news coming from DC as if is come from a foreign country. It’s of interest, but remotely so. Regarding this news, I feel the same way. It’s not a matter over which I have any control, and I have about as much interest as I would reading about the appointment of a new cabinet minister in Hungary or Russia. My focus is instead on enhancing my local and state communities, but of course also protecting them if attacked by that foreign country south of the New York—Pennsylvania border.”

I rather like the idea of referring to myself as a Californian rather than an American.  Even more specifically, though originally a coastal wetlands Californian, I am currently a transition zone savanna/mixed woodlands/coniferous forest bioregion Californian. 

Yep or I can just say he doesn’t represent me in any human way he’s everything I despise about terrible humans! Uncaring, not sympathetic at all, no morals, no class and dumb as shit that’s why he’s base loves him he’s as dumb as most of the deplorables that voted for him my family members included! 

cincybearcat

We really need to get away from this "mandate" shit.  And each party has said it in my life time.  I mean trump won what...slightly over 50%?  That's a mandate?  It's always crazy to see 1 side or the other dunk over 49% of the country.  

And then people wanting the president to fail cause he/she (so far always a he) is part of their political team?  Crazy.