When would be earliest we would know about Matt Cameron for Fresno?

THETONYCLIFTON

So I went to both Oakland shows and having seen them 45+ times now I really really miss Matt Cameron these last two shows. I had an absolute blast at OAK 1&2 so I’m not going there in anyway. That WMA last night was fuckin awesome! 

But I live in San Luis Obispo and I see PIT tickets available for Fresno and it’s a 2 hour drive and if the true engine MC will be at the helm Monday I’ll make the drive, hotel, ticket, beer, poster, beer, etc. But really don’t want to see my favorite band in anything less than optimal form and MC is just a force that I don’t feel complete on this short tour unless the man who shares my birthday (Nov 28th) is participating in the rockin in the free world! 
 
So does anyone know if we would know the day of say before 2pm? Or is it gonna be a situation where we don’t know until they get on stage? 

This is all assuming Matt is okay, and I’ll say no more about that as I don’t even want to put it out into the ether. 

bootlegger10

I would be very surprised that Matt is not back for the rest of the tour, unless he is not feeling well.

lastexit78

I don’t think anyone knows, Covid hits everyone differently. I caught it last weekend, minor symptoms progressed to moderate and within a few days I felt  close to 100%. But Matt has 15 years on me and drumming for PJ is extremely demanding physically. I’m holding tickets to Sacramento, not even sure I can make it, let alone Matt. Hoping for a fall postponement at this point if he can’t get back. Oakland sounded like a fun novelty but would rather see the whole band playing at their best. 

PJammin'

I think it will be a game time decision. All depends how he’s feeling right now, if it’s mild or not.  

Luckytwn1

If Matt's positive test was on Thursday, he almost certainly won't play Monday as that would be day 4 of isolation per the guidelines (day 1 is the day after the positive test) and considering the strict rules the tour is being conducted under (along with the rest of the entertainment industry), I'm sure there is a 5 day required isolation and then even though the CDC does not require a positive test to end isolation, I think it's likely the rules of the tour do up until day 10.

To play on Monday, he likely had to have been positive last Tuesday after Phoenix and that seems unlikely based on how the Oakland shows went down.

SHZA

Luckytwn1 said:

If Matt's positive test was on Thursday, he almost certainly won't play Monday as that would be day 4 of isolation per the guidelines (day 1 is the day after the positive test) and considering the strict rules the tour is being conducted under (along with the rest of the entertainment industry), I'm sure there is a 5 day required isolation and then even though the CDC does not require a positive test to end isolation, I think it's likely the rules of the tour do up until day 10.

To play on Monday, he likely had to have been positive last Tuesday after Phoenix and that seems unlikely based on how the Oakland shows went down.

The positive test was before Thursday. Ed said last night that MC is still in Arizona and on Thursday said it was the "last 24 hours" that they'd been figuring out what to do. 

Luckytwn1

Ah, so sounds like it might have been on Wednesday. That still puts his participation on Monday in real question as Monday would be day 5 of isolation. It’s possible they might allow if he has tested negative (probably twice).

JimmyV

And all of this assumes he is going to be well enough to play. Fingers crossed that he is truly on the mend. 

Cropduster-80

Luckytwn1 said:

If Matt's positive test was on Thursday, he almost certainly won't play Monday as that would be day 4 of isolation per the guidelines (day 1 is the day after the positive test) and considering the strict rules the tour is being conducted under (along with the rest of the entertainment industry), I'm sure there is a 5 day required isolation and then even though the CDC does not require a positive test to end isolation, I think it's likely the rules of the tour do up until day 10.

To play on Monday, he likely had to have been positive last Tuesday after Phoenix and that seems unlikely based on how the Oakland shows went down.

I would also assume the insurance company has/may have their own rules.  If it spreads and a show/the tour gets cancelled it’s now on them.  It may be more strict than what we know 

maybe that’s what you were getting at with the rules of the tour.  I just think it’s probably more insurance driven than a PJ specific rule

Rocketnino

Came to the forum today for this exact same question... and ironically, I live in SLO as well.  Yo, Tony!

Anyways, I think you guys are all on the right page.  Depends on when his positive test was of course on top of how he's feeling.  Sure, he's 59, but you'd never guess it.  Dude is in amazing shape.  I would bet my bottom dollar he's been taking great care of his health and is multi-vaccinated which reduces the risk of serious illness stemming from COVID to boot.  He'll be fine!  We're not even going down that alley of darkness.

I work in healthcare and in order for people to return to work after testing positive, they have to test negative on a rapid test on day 5 - with day zero being the day they test positive.  So if Matt tested positive on Wednesday, then Monday would be his day 5.  Doubt the same rules apply between nursing homes and rock and roll drum thrones, but I share all this rant for this reason: in the last 4 months, we have had about 40 employees test positive.  I would say that it's been about 50/50 on whether or not people test negative on that day five, regardless of symptoms.

So if there's a negative test required for him to return, then it's a 50/50 shot, I'd guess.

BF25394

I assume he tested positive on Tuesday if, as Ed said, he is still in Arizona.  I assume that the band's itinerary did not have them staying in Arizona past Monday night or Tuesday morning.

I thought that Ed said on night 1 in Oakland that Matt tested positive "yesterday."  This would have been a separate comment from his reference to spending 24 hours trying to figure out what to do.  But I could be misremembering the "yesterday" quote.

It is possible that Matt tested positive initially on Tuesday, was asymptomatic, and then they were retesting him each day hoping that he would test negative before Friday, and then it was only when he tested positive again on Thursday that they realized there was no way he would be available for the show Friday night and that's when they started scrambling for a Plan B.

Luckytwn1

Cropduster-80 said:

Luckytwn1 said:

If Matt's positive test was on Thursday, he almost certainly won't play Monday as that would be day 4 of isolation per the guidelines (day 1 is the day after the positive test) and considering the strict rules the tour is being conducted under (along with the rest of the entertainment industry), I'm sure there is a 5 day required isolation and then even though the CDC does not require a positive test to end isolation, I think it's likely the rules of the tour do up until day 10.

To play on Monday, he likely had to have been positive last Tuesday after Phoenix and that seems unlikely based on how the Oakland shows went down.

I would also assume the insurance company has/may have their own rules.  If it spreads and a show/the tour gets cancelled it’s now on them.  It may be more strict than what we know 

maybe that’s what you were getting at with the rules of the tour.  I just think it’s probably more insurance driven than a PJ specific rule

They likely don't have insurance for COVID cancellation. It's almost non-existent for entertainment industry productions and if they do have it, the cost is insane. Beyond that, all of the other insurance that we had to cover prior to COVID is now much more expensive as well. Pete Townshend addressed this in an interview with Rolling Stone, what The Who was going through this year.

Luckytwn1

I don't know the specific protocols for that they are using for the tour but I assume it's similar to the industry wide protocols being used in Hollywood and those protocols are basically much more strict than any other industry.

Luckytwn1

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-features/pete-townshend-who-tour-interview-keith-moon-1296914/

Pete: "This is the insurers. They are insisting that they won’t pay out if you cancel because of Covid. That’s the first thing. And secondly, if they do pay out, they only pay out 85 percent. And thirdly, they up their charges from 2.5 percent to 5 percent and now to 8 percent of the gross income on a tour. It’s absolutely brutal."

opsopcopolis

They didn’t announce him being gone in advance so my guess would be not until the first people get in the building and see if his kit is there

THETONYCLIFTON

Thanks for all the insight! And what up fellow SLO’cal Rocketnino! 

pearljammr78

Maybe he’s faking it so he doesn’t have to come to Fresno. 

(100 percent a joke, a bad one at that)

jacquelynca

I’m going to Sac and don’t even think he will be back for that. I’m thinking earliest Vegas but it really depends on how he’s feeling and if he tests negative.

Tim Simmons

I bet there will be a social media post when Matt is given the/feels like its OK to play again. 

gotthebottle

jacquelynca said:

I’m going to Sac and don’t even think he will be back for that. I’m thinking earliest Vegas but it really depends on how he’s feeling and if he tests negative.

I agree, added Sac fee days ago and it's fine either way

THETONYCLIFTON

pearljammr78 said:

Maybe he’s faking it so he doesn’t have to come to Fresno. 

(100 percent a joke, a bad one at that)

That's a damn good one! 

lastexit78

For comparison Steve Kerr just rejoined the Warriors today. Tested positive last Monday, had symptoms and is back after 6 days. Warriors certainly wouldn’t risk him infecting the team and robbing them of a potential championship. Anyway just pointing out a return of Matt by Sacramento is plausible, Fresno a long shot if he indeed tested positive on Tuesday or Wednesday as some seem to think. He could also be out the rest of this leg, bottom line is nobody knows. Wouldn’t give up hope though.

Luckytwn1

There is no question that the earliest he could have tested positive is Tuesday because he played the show on Monday night. 

PJammin'

Luckytwn1 said:

There is no question that the earliest he could have tested positive is Tuesday because he played the show on Monday night. 

Well, I just want to say that I tested positive Tuesday after the LA shows and I still feel like 💩  I’m not Matt, but there’s no way I could have drummed tomorrow. 

Luckytwn1

PJammin' said:

Luckytwn1 said:

There is no question that the earliest he could have tested positive is Tuesday because he played the show on Monday night. 

Well, I just want to say that I tested positive Tuesday after the LA shows and I still feel like 💩  I’m not Matt, but there’s no way I could have drummed tomorrow. 

Well, certainly if he’s sick, he’s not playing but many people aren’t sick on day 6. Either way, he is subject to the protocols as discussed above. 

heartofadog

I would guess if he's testing negative and feeling up to it, he'll be back by Sacramento. That's the five year anniversary of losing Chris.