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Vinyl lovers - What’s a ‘half speed master’?

BrainofBGABrainofBGA Posts: 4,321
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Was going to grab a record online and on its description it includes that it’s a ‘half speed master’. As a complete vinyl novice what does this mean? 
Melbourne #1 '98
Melbourne #2 '03
Melbourne #3 '03
Melbourne #1 '06
Melbourne #3 '06
Melbourne '09
Melbourne '14

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  • MedozKMedozK Posts: 9,209
    edited February 2022

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbVx-e9i1Uk
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,586
    buy it. thats what it means.
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  • 2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance Posts: 23,306
    There’s a complete CCR LP set half speed mastered I’ve had my eye on. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,586
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    There’s a complete CCR LP set half speed mastered I’ve had my eye on. 
    love my song remains the same.....

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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • BrainofBGABrainofBGA Posts: 4,321
    mickeyrat said:
    buy it. thats what it means.
    That’s all I needed to hear!
    Melbourne #1 '98
    Melbourne #2 '03
    Melbourne #3 '03
    Melbourne #1 '06
    Melbourne #3 '06
    Melbourne '09
    Melbourne '14
  • BrainofBGABrainofBGA Posts: 4,321
    It’s Kiss’ Destroyer 40th Anniversary. Bought it! 
    Melbourne #1 '98
    Melbourne #2 '03
    Melbourne #3 '03
    Melbourne #1 '06
    Melbourne #3 '06
    Melbourne '09
    Melbourne '14
  • MedozKMedozK Posts: 9,209
    I stay away from them unless it is something I REALLY want and don't mind it being a digital file.
  • MedozKMedozK Posts: 9,209
    edited February 2022
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    There’s a complete CCR LP set half speed mastered I’ve had my eye on. 
    Save up and get the AAA Analogue Production set..... perfection. Maybe one day they will repress it.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    MedozK said:
    I stay away from them unless it is something I REALLY want and don't mind it being a digital file.

    Didn't know that.  Are all half speed master from digital files?
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  • MedozKMedozK Posts: 9,209
    edited February 2022
    99% of the time yes. You can go back to some of the very early half speed masterings that used tape, but not really anymore.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    MedozK said:
    99% of the time yes. You can go back to some of the very early half speed masterings that used tape, but not really anymore.

    Good to know, thanks!
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,586
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    There’s a complete CCR LP set half speed mastered I’ve had my eye on. 
    love my song remains the same.....

    _____________________________________SIGNATURE________________________________________________

    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • 1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    brianlux said:
    MedozK said:
    I stay away from them unless it is something I REALLY want and don't mind it being a digital file.

    Didn't know that.  Are all half speed master from digital files?
    Nope. I’m a fan.

  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Posts: 49,950
    edited February 2022
    I got the Day for Night (Tragically Hip) half speed master, and it's one of the best vinyl buying decisions I've made. The sound of it is so superior to my original copy, it's stunning. I'll never play the original again. Thank god I got the OG for a really good deal, because they are normally pricey AF... or at least were, before the the half speed master was released. Not sure what that did to the inferior OG's value.
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    MedozK said:
    I stay away from them unless it is something I REALLY want and don't mind it being a digital file.
    This is my position as well.  Abbey Road does a lot of half speeds, including the Stones reissues.  But they are digital.  It doesn't necessarily make them the same as a cd because the digital transfer since the resolution is superior to a cd.  But I will stay away if there is an original or a true analog repress. 

    Regarding CCR, the AP masters are out there and are used for more 'standard' issues.  I have three of them (Green River, Cosmos, Bayou) and they are amazing.  They are simple reissues (simple sleeve, etc.) but sound fantastic. I have not seen a Willie and Poor Boys though.  But the rest are in the $20-30 range.  
  • LukinFanLukinFan Posts: 29,050
    Bob Marley has some half-speeds that I was thinking about checking out. 
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  • dankinddankind Posts: 20,839
    I have most of Bob Marley’s catalog on non half-speed masters (the 2015 reissues for the most part), and they all sound great.

    For that reason, these seem like a marketing scheme more than anything. 

    If it ain’t broke …
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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited February 2022

    a half speed and the source are two different things right?

    Half speed is supposed to extract more information.  I assume if it’s a digital  source then that’s a different discussion 

    Comparing apples to apples a half speed vs non half speed from the same non digital source, which sounds better?

    anyone know what kid a mnesia was sourced from for the half speed? In any case the pressing was awful but that’s probably unrelated it being half speed 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    edited February 2022
    Cropduster-80 said:

    a half speed and the source are two different things right?

    Half speed is supposed to extract more information.  I assume if it’s a digital  source then that’s a different discussion 

    Comparing apples to apples a half speed vs non half speed from the same non digital source, which sounds better?

    anyone know what kid a mnesia was sourced from for the half speed? In any case the pressing was awful but that’s probably unrelated it being half speed 
    Yes you're right,  but I don't know that I've seen any half speed from analog.  Not because it's not possible,  but because the titles and Abbey Road seem to be digital. 

    High end press from analog tends to be 45, not half speed from what I've collected. 
  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    edited February 2022
    mrussel1 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:

    a half speed and the source are two different things right?

    Half speed is supposed to extract more information.  I assume if it’s a digital  source then that’s a different discussion 

    Comparing apples to apples a half speed vs non half speed from the same non digital source, which sounds better?

    anyone know what kid a mnesia was sourced from for the half speed? In any case the pressing was awful but that’s probably unrelated it being half speed 
    Yes you're right,  but I don't know that I've seen any half speed from analog.  Not because it's not possible,  but because the titles and Abbey Road seem to be digital. 

    High end press from analog tends to be 45, not half speed from what I've collected. 
    This is all very interesting.

    how would you know when shopping records? It’s not like they are making it clear half speed master… sourced from digital 

    Or it it just safe to assume unless clearly stated otherwise that it’s digital.  I’ve only got a few I know of that were advertised as half speed so it’s not something I’m actively seeking out but I did assume it would sound better. Maybe not 
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  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 29,675
    edited February 2022
    Cropduster-80 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Cropduster-80 said:

    a half speed and the source are two different things right?

    Half speed is supposed to extract more information.  I assume if it’s a digital  source then that’s a different discussion 

    Comparing apples to apples a half speed vs non half speed from the same non digital source, which sounds better?

    anyone know what kid a mnesia was sourced from for the half speed? In any case the pressing was awful but that’s probably unrelated it being half speed 
    Yes you're right,  but I don't know that I've seen any half speed from analog.  Not because it's not possible,  but because the titles and Abbey Road seem to be digital. 

    High end press from analog tends to be 45, not half speed from what I've collected. 
    This is all very interesting.

    how would you know when shopping records? It’s not like they are making it clear half speed master… sourced from digital 

    Or it it just safe to assume unless clearly stated otherwise that it’s digital.  I’ve only got a few I know of that were advertised as half speed so it’s not something I’m actively seeking out but I did assume it would sound better. Maybe not 
    You wouldn't.. unless they happen to mention it's from 24 bit files on the hype.  They certainly hype the half speed though.  That's why Discogs is so useful.  For me, unless it says analog on the hype or in the discogs pages, I assume it's digital, likely ADA. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,586
    a clue would also lie where its done/pressed.  no? Europe using their mastering tech would be digital? what is it , dcc?



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    Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
    you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
    memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • BrainofBGABrainofBGA Posts: 4,321
    BrainofBGA said:
    It’s Kiss’ Destroyer 40th Anniversary. Bought it! 

    Melbourne #1 '98
    Melbourne #2 '03
    Melbourne #3 '03
    Melbourne #1 '06
    Melbourne #3 '06
    Melbourne '09
    Melbourne '14
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,075
    Spiritual Chaos has 2 accounts? 
  • BrainofBGABrainofBGA Posts: 4,321
    Tim Simmons said:
    Spiritual Chaos has 2 accounts? 
    Haha! Now moonlighting as the BrainofBGA!?!  
    Melbourne #1 '98
    Melbourne #2 '03
    Melbourne #3 '03
    Melbourne #1 '06
    Melbourne #3 '06
    Melbourne '09
    Melbourne '14
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