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Jan 6, One Year Later...

 


Biden marks year since attack: 'I will stand in this breach'
By MARY CLARE JALONICK, LISA MASCARO and ZEKE MILLER
9 mins ago

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden on Thursday delivered what he declared was the “God's truth” marking the first anniversary of the U.S. Capitol insurrection, the violent attack by Donald Trump's supporters that has fundamentally changed Congress and raised global concerns about the future of American democracy.

Biden's criticism was particularly blistering of then-President Trump and his violent supporters.

“For the first time in our history, a president not just lost an election, he tried to prevent the peaceful transfer of power as a violent mob breached the Capitol,” Biden said. “But they failed.”

“I will stand in this breach,” he declared, his voice rising.

“Democracy was attacked,” Biden said at the Capitol. “We the people endure. We the people prevailed.”

The president and congressional Democrats started the day in Statuary Hall, one of several spots where rioters swarmed a year ago and interrupted the electoral count. Biden drew a contrast between the truth of what happened and the false narratives that have sprung up about the Capitol assault, including the continued refusal by many Republicans to affirm that Biden won the 2020 election.

“You and I and the whole world saw with our own eyes,” Biden said.

He asked those listening to close their eyes and recall what they saw that day, as he described the harrowing, violent scene, the mob attacking police, threatening the House speaker, erecting gallows threatening to hang the vice president — all while then-President Trump sat at the White House watching it on TV.

“Here is the God’s truth about Jan. 6, 2021,” Biden said. ”They were looking to subvert the Constitution."

“We must be absolutely clear about what is true and what is a lie. Here's the truth,” he said. "The former president of the United States of America has spread a web of lies about the 2020 election."



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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 None Of Your Business...Posts: 9,906
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,274
    I know this isn't a popular opinion... but to the extent of which folks and the media consider this a serious 'insurrection' ... I still think it's being over blown and over hyped. The extent to which Fox feeds on the discourse and fractured public and how elected politicians including the POTUS tried so blatantly hard to throw democracy is the bigger story here.

    Look at the folks in the suits and ties, and not the morons with viking costumes. 

    But for those who do wish to consider this a planned violent insurrection. If this was a violent, planned insurrection it should be deemed pathetic and embarrassing.

    I equate it to planning for the Super Bowl against the Packers and choosing Ernest P Worrell as the Head Coach and Disney's The Mighty Ducks as your team. And in this example, it's as if the Packers chose to start their fourth string and the 'insurrectionists' still could only muster a missed field goal. 

    I'm probably wrong about this next bit as well but... with the Hoopla that will be today... it would be refreshing for the likes of Biden and Harris to outright shame those who enabled this mess and continue to enable this mess. Break down Trump's lies and tactics publicly and factually to those who still for some unknown reason still think he's some sort of savior and not the hoodwinking, greedy, self serving, failed businessman, circus sideshow he is. Biden needs a Michael Douglas in The American President speech moment. 

    74M people voted for that clown and now it's starting to look like the midterms are going to sway to the republicans. That cannot happen. 

    The message regarding Jan 6th shouldn't pander to those who already hate Trump, Trumpism and will vote democrats.  Folks need to start resonating with the disillusioned people who have been quite frankly brainwashed. 
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,274
    .....  just listened to Biden's speech...   it's good. Not quite Michael Douglas good, but good.  Though I wish he would actually say Trump's name.  He's not Voldemort for Pete's sake. 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 25,185
    Biden made it very clear who he was talking about! 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 29,508
    Parksy said:
    I know this isn't a popular opinion... but to the extent of which folks and the media consider this a serious 'insurrection' ... I still think it's being over blown and over hyped. The extent to which Fox feeds on the discourse and fractured public and how elected politicians including the POTUS tried so blatantly hard to throw democracy is the bigger story here.

    Look at the folks in the suits and ties, and not the morons with viking costumes. 

    But for those who do wish to consider this a planned violent insurrection. If this was a violent, planned insurrection it should be deemed pathetic and embarrassing.

    I equate it to planning for the Super Bowl against the Packers and choosing Ernest P Worrell as the Head Coach and Disney's The Mighty Ducks as your team. And in this example, it's as if the Packers chose to start their fourth string and the 'insurrectionists' still could only muster a missed field goal. 

    I'm probably wrong about this next bit as well but... with the Hoopla that will be today... it would be refreshing for the likes of Biden and Harris to outright shame those who enabled this mess and continue to enable this mess. Break down Trump's lies and tactics publicly and factually to those who still for some unknown reason still think he's some sort of savior and not the hoodwinking, greedy, self serving, failed businessman, circus sideshow he is. Biden needs a Michael Douglas in The American President speech moment. 

    74M people voted for that clown and now it's starting to look like the midterms are going to sway to the republicans. That cannot happen. 

    The message regarding Jan 6th shouldn't pander to those who already hate Trump, Trumpism and will vote democrats.  Folks need to start resonating with the disillusioned people who have been quite frankly brainwashed. 
    January 6th wasn't the end, it was the beginning. These people are too far gone. There's no "appealing to them." There's no "bringing them back into the fold." There's no "compromise" with them. Hutus/Tutsis = repubs/dems.

    Have you listened to talk radio lately? Replace machetes with guns, imported with sold, Hutus with true Americans,Tutsis with libs/socialists/dems and you can see our future. Watch what happens when the repubs retake the House and Senate.

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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 12,919
    Parksy said:
    .....  just listened to Biden's speech...   it's good. Not quite Michael Douglas good, but good.  Though I wish he would actually say Trump's name.  He's not Voldemort for Pete's sake. 
    I suspect Biden's speechwriter knows that not using Trump's name will only further infuriate Trump.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 36,059
    Parksy said:
    I know this isn't a popular opinion... but to the extent of which folks and the media consider this a serious 'insurrection' ... I still think it's being over blown and over hyped. The extent to which Fox feeds on the discourse and fractured public and how elected politicians including the POTUS tried so blatantly hard to throw democracy is the bigger story here.

    Look at the folks in the suits and ties, and not the morons with viking costumes. 

    But for those who do wish to consider this a planned violent insurrection. If this was a violent, planned insurrection it should be deemed pathetic and embarrassing.

    I equate it to planning for the Super Bowl against the Packers and choosing Ernest P Worrell as the Head Coach and Disney's The Mighty Ducks as your team. And in this example, it's as if the Packers chose to start their fourth string and the 'insurrectionists' still could only muster a missed field goal. 

    I'm probably wrong about this next bit as well but... with the Hoopla that will be today... it would be refreshing for the likes of Biden and Harris to outright shame those who enabled this mess and continue to enable this mess. Break down Trump's lies and tactics publicly and factually to those who still for some unknown reason still think he's some sort of savior and not the hoodwinking, greedy, self serving, failed businessman, circus sideshow he is. Biden needs a Michael Douglas in The American President speech moment. 

    74M people voted for that clown and now it's starting to look like the midterms are going to sway to the republicans. That cannot happen. 

    The message regarding Jan 6th shouldn't pander to those who already hate Trump, Trumpism and will vote democrats.  Folks need to start resonating with the disillusioned people who have been quite frankly brainwashed. 

    Sorry Parksy, I totally disagree that this incident was overblown.  True, the media has made a circus out of the incident, but that's modern media for you, particularly the popular press that most people follow (especially click bait).  Their job is to create a circus act.
    But look beyond that.  Look at the incident itself.  In many places around the world at many various times, breaching the Capitol of a nation through insurrection with the intent to not only disrupt government but also to potentially capture or kill lawmakers was deadly serious business and would have lead to several hanging or shootings by firing squad.  This incident was no small matter.  Read beyond the popular press, look at history.  This was a huge deal.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 4,016
    brianlux said:
    Parksy said:
    I know this isn't a popular opinion... but to the extent of which folks and the media consider this a serious 'insurrection' ... I still think it's being over blown and over hyped. The extent to which Fox feeds on the discourse and fractured public and how elected politicians including the POTUS tried so blatantly hard to throw democracy is the bigger story here.

    Look at the folks in the suits and ties, and not the morons with viking costumes. 

    But for those who do wish to consider this a planned violent insurrection. If this was a violent, planned insurrection it should be deemed pathetic and embarrassing.

    I equate it to planning for the Super Bowl against the Packers and choosing Ernest P Worrell as the Head Coach and Disney's The Mighty Ducks as your team. And in this example, it's as if the Packers chose to start their fourth string and the 'insurrectionists' still could only muster a missed field goal. 

    I'm probably wrong about this next bit as well but... with the Hoopla that will be today... it would be refreshing for the likes of Biden and Harris to outright shame those who enabled this mess and continue to enable this mess. Break down Trump's lies and tactics publicly and factually to those who still for some unknown reason still think he's some sort of savior and not the hoodwinking, greedy, self serving, failed businessman, circus sideshow he is. Biden needs a Michael Douglas in The American President speech moment. 

    74M people voted for that clown and now it's starting to look like the midterms are going to sway to the republicans. That cannot happen. 

    The message regarding Jan 6th shouldn't pander to those who already hate Trump, Trumpism and will vote democrats.  Folks need to start resonating with the disillusioned people who have been quite frankly brainwashed. 

    Sorry Parksy, I totally disagree that this incident was overblown.  True, the media has made a circus out of the incident, but that's modern media for you, particularly the popular press that most people follow (especially click bait).  Their job is to create a circus act.
    But look beyond that.  Look at the incident itself.  In many places around the world at many various times, breaching the Capitol of a nation through insurrection with the intent to not only disrupt government but also to potentially capture or kill lawmakers was deadly serious business and would have lead to several hanging or shootings by firing squad.  This incident was no small matter.  Read beyond the popular press, look at history.  This was a huge deal.
    I'd say it's been underblown. We really don't hear very much about how close we were to disaster. I'm not sure whether there was literally a chance that Trump could still be president after January 21, but that was the goal for some. Yeah, we're jailing dummies that dressed weird and stole stuff out of the capital, but they were to a large extent unwitting participants in something bigger. Pence and a few democratic legislators barely got out of there. And, yeah, I think they'd likely have been killed. Viking Helmet Guy got in trouble. I don't even know that I care. I want to know more about Zip Tie Guy. What brought him there? Did he come on is own or did someone send him?

    This may not have been the most well-organized effort in world history, but the intent was to keep Trump in office. It was coup attempt and it was legitimate. The stupid masses were used to create chaos.  Sometimes I wish they'd gotten to Pence...at least people would better-accept the significance of what was going on. Yeah, it's fun to mock the Shamon and Jenna Whatshername, but they're just a couple of chumps.

    And when an attempted coup is ignored, it's essentially an invitation for the next attempt.  Eventually, it's going to be successful. And the GOP was able to fall backwards into the possibility of one-party autocracy all because one man-baby is too insecure to admit he lost. Did anyone get to the bottom of whether how Emmys were rigged to keep the Apprentice from winning?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 36,059
    OnWis97 said:
    brianlux said:
    Parksy said:
    I know this isn't a popular opinion... but to the extent of which folks and the media consider this a serious 'insurrection' ... I still think it's being over blown and over hyped. The extent to which Fox feeds on the discourse and fractured public and how elected politicians including the POTUS tried so blatantly hard to throw democracy is the bigger story here.

    Look at the folks in the suits and ties, and not the morons with viking costumes. 

    But for those who do wish to consider this a planned violent insurrection. If this was a violent, planned insurrection it should be deemed pathetic and embarrassing.

    I equate it to planning for the Super Bowl against the Packers and choosing Ernest P Worrell as the Head Coach and Disney's The Mighty Ducks as your team. And in this example, it's as if the Packers chose to start their fourth string and the 'insurrectionists' still could only muster a missed field goal. 

    I'm probably wrong about this next bit as well but... with the Hoopla that will be today... it would be refreshing for the likes of Biden and Harris to outright shame those who enabled this mess and continue to enable this mess. Break down Trump's lies and tactics publicly and factually to those who still for some unknown reason still think he's some sort of savior and not the hoodwinking, greedy, self serving, failed businessman, circus sideshow he is. Biden needs a Michael Douglas in The American President speech moment. 

    74M people voted for that clown and now it's starting to look like the midterms are going to sway to the republicans. That cannot happen. 

    The message regarding Jan 6th shouldn't pander to those who already hate Trump, Trumpism and will vote democrats.  Folks need to start resonating with the disillusioned people who have been quite frankly brainwashed. 

    Sorry Parksy, I totally disagree that this incident was overblown.  True, the media has made a circus out of the incident, but that's modern media for you, particularly the popular press that most people follow (especially click bait).  Their job is to create a circus act.
    But look beyond that.  Look at the incident itself.  In many places around the world at many various times, breaching the Capitol of a nation through insurrection with the intent to not only disrupt government but also to potentially capture or kill lawmakers was deadly serious business and would have lead to several hanging or shootings by firing squad.  This incident was no small matter.  Read beyond the popular press, look at history.  This was a huge deal.
    I'd say it's been underblown. We really don't hear very much about how close we were to disaster. I'm not sure whether there was literally a chance that Trump could still be president after January 21, but that was the goal for some. Yeah, we're jailing dummies that dressed weird and stole stuff out of the capital, but they were to a large extent unwitting participants in something bigger. Pence and a few democratic legislators barely got out of there. And, yeah, I think they'd likely have been killed. Viking Helmet Guy got in trouble. I don't even know that I care. I want to know more about Zip Tie Guy. What brought him there? Did he come on is own or did someone send him?

    This may not have been the most well-organized effort in world history, but the intent was to keep Trump in office. It was coup attempt and it was legitimate. The stupid masses were used to create chaos.  Sometimes I wish they'd gotten to Pence...at least people would better-accept the significance of what was going on. Yeah, it's fun to mock the Shamon and Jenna Whatshername, but they're just a couple of chumps.

    And when an attempted coup is ignored, it's essentially an invitation for the next attempt.  Eventually, it's going to be successful. And the GOP was able to fall backwards into the possibility of one-party autocracy all because one man-baby is too insecure to admit he lost. Did anyone get to the bottom of whether how Emmys were rigged to keep the Apprentice from winning?

    Some very good points here, and two in particular that point toward potential serious and disturbing issues in the future, "may not have been the most well-organized effort", and "when an attempted coup is ignored, it's essentially an invitation for the next attempt.  Eventually, it's going to be successful."    I can well imagine there are radical right wing groups that are planning just that.  I hope we never see this happen.  I never would have imagined it possible in this country, but it's happened many times elsewhere.  We are not invulnerable. 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 6,318
    brianlux said:
    Parksy said:
    I know this isn't a popular opinion... but to the extent of which folks and the media consider this a serious 'insurrection' ... I still think it's being over blown and over hyped. The extent to which Fox feeds on the discourse and fractured public and how elected politicians including the POTUS tried so blatantly hard to throw democracy is the bigger story here.

    Look at the folks in the suits and ties, and not the morons with viking costumes. 

    But for those who do wish to consider this a planned violent insurrection. If this was a violent, planned insurrection it should be deemed pathetic and embarrassing.

    I equate it to planning for the Super Bowl against the Packers and choosing Ernest P Worrell as the Head Coach and Disney's The Mighty Ducks as your team. And in this example, it's as if the Packers chose to start their fourth string and the 'insurrectionists' still could only muster a missed field goal. 

    I'm probably wrong about this next bit as well but... with the Hoopla that will be today... it would be refreshing for the likes of Biden and Harris to outright shame those who enabled this mess and continue to enable this mess. Break down Trump's lies and tactics publicly and factually to those who still for some unknown reason still think he's some sort of savior and not the hoodwinking, greedy, self serving, failed businessman, circus sideshow he is. Biden needs a Michael Douglas in The American President speech moment. 

    74M people voted for that clown and now it's starting to look like the midterms are going to sway to the republicans. That cannot happen. 

    The message regarding Jan 6th shouldn't pander to those who already hate Trump, Trumpism and will vote democrats.  Folks need to start resonating with the disillusioned people who have been quite frankly brainwashed. 

    Sorry Parksy, I totally disagree that this incident was overblown.  True, the media has made a circus out of the incident, but that's modern media for you, particularly the popular press that most people follow (especially click bait).  Their job is to create a circus act.
    But look beyond that.  Look at the incident itself.  In many places around the world at many various times, breaching the Capitol of a nation through insurrection with the intent to not only disrupt government but also to potentially capture or kill lawmakers was deadly serious business and would have lead to several hanging or shootings by firing squad.  This incident was no small matter.  Read beyond the popular press, look at history.  This was a huge deal.
    Agreed, this was the first time in our nation's history there was no peaceful transfer of power. 

    This was no minor event. 
  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,274
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,274
    Parksy said:
    I know this isn't a popular opinion... but to the extent of which folks and the media consider this a serious 'insurrection' ... I still think it's being over blown and over hyped. The extent to which Fox feeds on the discourse and fractured public and how elected politicians including the POTUS tried so blatantly hard to throw democracy is the bigger story here.

    Look at the folks in the suits and ties, and not the morons with viking costumes. 

    But for those who do wish to consider this a planned violent insurrection. If this was a violent, planned insurrection it should be deemed pathetic and embarrassing.

    I equate it to planning for the Super Bowl against the Packers and choosing Ernest P Worrell as the Head Coach and Disney's The Mighty Ducks as your team. And in this example, it's as if the Packers chose to start their fourth string and the 'insurrectionists' still could only muster a missed field goal. 

    I'm probably wrong about this next bit as well but... with the Hoopla that will be today... it would be refreshing for the likes of Biden and Harris to outright shame those who enabled this mess and continue to enable this mess. Break down Trump's lies and tactics publicly and factually to those who still for some unknown reason still think he's some sort of savior and not the hoodwinking, greedy, self serving, failed businessman, circus sideshow he is. Biden needs a Michael Douglas in The American President speech moment. 

    74M people voted for that clown and now it's starting to look like the midterms are going to sway to the republicans. That cannot happen. 

    The message regarding Jan 6th shouldn't pander to those who already hate Trump, Trumpism and will vote democrats.  Folks need to start resonating with the disillusioned people who have been quite frankly brainwashed. 
    January 6th wasn't the end, it was the beginning. These people are too far gone. There's no "appealing to them." There's no "bringing them back into the fold." There's no "compromise" with them. Hutus/Tutsis = repubs/dems.

    Have you listened to talk radio lately? Replace machetes with guns, imported with sold, Hutus with true Americans,Tutsis with libs/socialists/dems and you can see our future. Watch what happens when the repubs retake the House and Senate.

    The Power groups believed that the national radio station, Radio Rwanda, had become too liberal and supportive of the opposition; they founded a new radio station, Radio Télévision Libre des Mille Collines (RTLM). The RTLM was designed to appeal to the young adults in Rwanda and had extensive reach. Unlike newspapers that could only be found in cities, the radio broadcasts were accessible to Rwanda's largely rural population of farmers. The format of the broadcasts mirrored Western-style radio talk shows that played popular music, hosted interviews, and encouraged audience participation. The broadcasters told crude jokes and used offensive language that contrasted strongly with Radio Rwanda's more formal news reports.[105] Just 1.52% of RTLM's airtime was dedicated to news, while 66.29% of airtime featured the journalists discussing their thoughts on different subjects.[106] As the start of the genocide approached, the RTLM broadcasts focused on their anti-Tutsi propaganda. They characterized the Tutsi as a dangerous enemy that wanted to seize the political power at the expense of Hutu. By linking the Rwandan Patriotic Army with the Tutsi political party and ordinary Tutsi citizens, they classified the entire ethnic group as one homogenous threat to Rwandans. The RTLM went further than amplifying ethnic and political division; it also labeled the Tutsi as inyenzi, meaning non-human pests or cockroaches, which must be exterminated.[107] Leading up to the genocide, there were 294 instances of the RTLM accusing the Rwandan Patriotic Army of atrocities against the Hutu, along with 252 broadcasts that call for Hutus to kill the Tutsis.[106] One such broadcast stated, "Someone must ... make them disappear for good ... to wipe them from human memory ... to exterminate the Tutsi from the surface of the earth."[108] By the time the violence began, the young Hutu population had absorbed months of racist propaganda that characterized all Tutsis as dangerous enemies that must be killed before they seized control of the country. The RTLM's role in the genocide earned it the nickname "Radio Machete" as it related to their incitement to genocide.[109] One study finds that approximately 10% of the overall violence during the Rwandan genocide can be attributed to this new radio station.[110] However, a recent paper questions the findings of that study.[111]

    During 1993, the hardliners imported machetes on a scale far larger than what was required for agriculture, as well as other tools which could be used as weapons, such as razor blades, saws and scissors.[112] These tools were distributed around the country, ostensibly as part of the civil defence network.[112]

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    I honestly hope you're wrong... about people (especially that many) being too far gone. Call it my optimism for humanity, but if you're right.... we're in for one hell of a shit storm the next few years. 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 6,318
    Parksy said:
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 
    They built a gallows and stormed the building announcing their intentions, why not take them at their word?

    If they were willing to attack the police the way they did, why should we assume they would have treated Pence or anyone else any better? 
  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,274
    Parksy said:
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 
    They built a gallows and stormed the building announcing their intentions, why not take them at their word?

    If they were willing to attack the police the way they did, why should we assume they would have treated Pence or anyone else any better? 
    My point of view has a lot to do with how many of "them" are we talking about?  Was the building of a gallows part of some sort of coordinated effort? 

    And the gallows... again to me was just plain ole' fashioned stupidity and symbolism. Hear me out... the media is insistent that because of the chants and because of the gallows... this big group was there to kill him in a planned and coordinated effort.  I'm sorry, but no.  It's like when the Knights forgot to put themselves in the rabbit in Holy Grail.  I think the first plan on killing a fellow would be to find and capture the fellow... THEN build a gallows.   My point is where is this plan?  Who coordinated it? Where were the firearms and manpower to carry out this master plan?  

    I could be wrong... have they found the folks who installed the gallows? Did an investigation show that the folks who installed the gallows had a coordinated plan to kill the VP?   It's insane to think, I agree... but I think the so-called insurrectionists were more batshit crazy morons than organized rebels.  To that point... where are the treason charges? Sedition charges? Why doesn't the American justice system care more if I'm not wrong? 

    It was.. what it was from what I can tell unless I'm missing a large amount of information.. which could very well be the case. 


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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 6,318
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 
    They built a gallows and stormed the building announcing their intentions, why not take them at their word?

    If they were willing to attack the police the way they did, why should we assume they would have treated Pence or anyone else any better? 
    My point of view has a lot to do with how many of "them" are we talking about?  Was the building of a gallows part of some sort of coordinated effort? 

    And the gallows... again to me was just plain ole' fashioned stupidity and symbolism. Hear me out... the media is insistent that because of the chants and because of the gallows... this big group was there to kill him in a planned and coordinated effort.  I'm sorry, but no.  It's like when the Knights forgot to put themselves in the rabbit in Holy Grail.  I think the first plan on killing a fellow would be to find and capture the fellow... THEN build a gallows.   My point is where is this plan?  Who coordinated it? Where were the firearms and manpower to carry out this master plan?  

    I could be wrong... have they found the folks who installed the gallows? Did an investigation show that the folks who installed the gallows had a coordinated plan to kill the VP?   It's insane to think, I agree... but I think the so-called insurrectionists were more batshit crazy morons than organized rebels.  To that point... where are the treason charges? Sedition charges? Why doesn't the American justice system care more if I'm not wrong? 

    It was.. what it was from what I can tell unless I'm missing a large amount of information.. which could very well be the case. 


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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,274
    Different topic than the severity of the coup ...  

    But I personally find it super hard to understand how members of congress are remotely peaceful with those who enabled this and those who flip flopped about it. If I was a democrat (or even the small amount of republicans) I wouldn't be able to coexist with some of these clowns who we now know were aware of these attempts or who willingly go onto networks (Fox) that continue to try to downplay it and apparently had insider information about it. 

    It's gotta be tough to be an American during these times. I can't imagine what I'd be feeling if this happened in Canada. 
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,274
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 
    They built a gallows and stormed the building announcing their intentions, why not take them at their word?

    If they were willing to attack the police the way they did, why should we assume they would have treated Pence or anyone else any better? 
    My point of view has a lot to do with how many of "them" are we talking about?  Was the building of a gallows part of some sort of coordinated effort? 

    And the gallows... again to me was just plain ole' fashioned stupidity and symbolism. Hear me out... the media is insistent that because of the chants and because of the gallows... this big group was there to kill him in a planned and coordinated effort.  I'm sorry, but no.  It's like when the Knights forgot to put themselves in the rabbit in Holy Grail.  I think the first plan on killing a fellow would be to find and capture the fellow... THEN build a gallows.   My point is where is this plan?  Who coordinated it? Where were the firearms and manpower to carry out this master plan?  

    I could be wrong... have they found the folks who installed the gallows? Did an investigation show that the folks who installed the gallows had a coordinated plan to kill the VP?   It's insane to think, I agree... but I think the so-called insurrectionists were more batshit crazy morons than organized rebels.  To that point... where are the treason charges? Sedition charges? Why doesn't the American justice system care more if I'm not wrong? 

    It was.. what it was from what I can tell unless I'm missing a large amount of information.. which could very well be the case. 


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    Parksy said:
    Different topic than the severity of the coup ...  

    But I personally find it super hard to understand how members of congress are remotely peaceful with those who enabled this and those who flip flopped about it. If I was a democrat (or even the small amount of republicans) I wouldn't be able to coexist with some of these clowns who we now know were aware of these attempts or who willingly go onto networks (Fox) that continue to try to downplay it and apparently had insider information about it. 

    It's gotta be tough to be an American during these times. I can't imagine what I'd be feeling if this happened in Canada. 
    I'm wondering why the supposed republicans who value democracy don't switch parties to keep the Rs from stalling the clock until gaining a majority.
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MNPosts: 4,016
    Parksy said:
    Different topic than the severity of the coup ...  

    But I personally find it super hard to understand how members of congress are remotely peaceful with those who enabled this and those who flip flopped about it. If I was a democrat (or even the small amount of republicans) I wouldn't be able to coexist with some of these clowns who we now know were aware of these attempts or who willingly go onto networks (Fox) that continue to try to downplay it and apparently had insider information about it. 

    It's gotta be tough to be an American during these times. I can't imagine what I'd be feeling if this happened in Canada. 
    I think they're not fully grasping the gravity of what's going on. There are a lot of democrats still trying to reach across the aisle. I assume they're aware of the ample time today's GOP invests in being outraged about liberals/democrats, but they still seem several steps behind on 1) how badly they want one-party autocrasy and 2) how fragile the Republic really is. They think they're going to fix it by doing their jobs and reaching out...and, just like Republicans, they're also thinking about their own re-electability and are scared to say anything controversial.
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,274
    static111 said:
    Parksy said:
    Different topic than the severity of the coup ...  

    But I personally find it super hard to understand how members of congress are remotely peaceful with those who enabled this and those who flip flopped about it. If I was a democrat (or even the small amount of republicans) I wouldn't be able to coexist with some of these clowns who we now know were aware of these attempts or who willingly go onto networks (Fox) that continue to try to downplay it and apparently had insider information about it. 

    It's gotta be tough to be an American during these times. I can't imagine what I'd be feeling if this happened in Canada. 
    I'm wondering why the supposed republicans who value democracy don't switch parties to keep the Rs from stalling the clock until gaining a majority.
    Very good question.  The only thing  I can think of ... and it speaks volumes not so much regarding the politicians but the public...  a Liz Cheney may be thinking that if she completely changed teams, she would 100% lose any coming election and then have no voice in congress. 


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    OnWis97 said:
    Parksy said:
    Different topic than the severity of the coup ...  

    But I personally find it super hard to understand how members of congress are remotely peaceful with those who enabled this and those who flip flopped about it. If I was a democrat (or even the small amount of republicans) I wouldn't be able to coexist with some of these clowns who we now know were aware of these attempts or who willingly go onto networks (Fox) that continue to try to downplay it and apparently had insider information about it. 

    It's gotta be tough to be an American during these times. I can't imagine what I'd be feeling if this happened in Canada. 
    I think they're not fully grasping the gravity of what's going on. There are a lot of democrats still trying to reach across the aisle. I assume they're aware of the ample time today's GOP invests in being outraged about liberals/democrats, but they still seem several steps behind on 1) how badly they want one-party autocrasy and 2) how fragile the Republic really is. They think they're going to fix it by doing their jobs and reaching out...and, just like Republicans, they're also thinking about their own re-electability and are scared to say anything controversial.
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    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 
    They built a gallows and stormed the building announcing their intentions, why not take them at their word?

    If they were willing to attack the police the way they did, why should we assume they would have treated Pence or anyone else any better? 
    My point of view has a lot to do with how many of "them" are we talking about?  Was the building of a gallows part of some sort of coordinated effort? 

    And the gallows... again to me was just plain ole' fashioned stupidity and symbolism. Hear me out... the media is insistent that because of the chants and because of the gallows... this big group was there to kill him in a planned and coordinated effort.  I'm sorry, but no.  It's like when the Knights forgot to put themselves in the rabbit in Holy Grail.  I think the first plan on killing a fellow would be to find and capture the fellow... THEN build a gallows.   My point is where is this plan?  Who coordinated it? Where were the firearms and manpower to carry out this master plan?  

    I could be wrong... have they found the folks who installed the gallows? Did an investigation show that the folks who installed the gallows had a coordinated plan to kill the VP?   It's insane to think, I agree... but I think the so-called insurrectionists were more batshit crazy morons than organized rebels.  To that point... where are the treason charges? Sedition charges? Why doesn't the American justice system care more if I'm not wrong? 

    It was.. what it was from what I can tell unless I'm missing a large amount of information.. which could very well be the case. 


    They're still looking for the guy who placed pipe bombs around the capitol the night before. They arrested and charged a guy who had a van full of weapons parked on a street nearby. They have evidence of coordinated meetups with duffle bags full of guns. The committee is working its way up the food chain. This is why elected representatives, former members of the POOTWH Administration and the Steve O and Mikey Flynn Baby's of the conspiracy are refusing to cooperate and pleading the 5th. They know they face potential criminal charges.

    Regarding how organized it was, see Peter Navarro and his television interview and book where he describes the "bloodless coup" attempt, the plan it laid out and who was involved and why. But for a few individuals, Pence, Raspenburger and others at the State level who allowed the rule of law to prevail, they may very well have succeeded. Kick any related disagreement or legal challenge on process, legality or procedure to the Supreme Court and voila, POOTWH remains POTUS. And what are the repubs at the state level doing as we speak? Changing election laws to appoint their loyalists in positions of election oversight, getting their candidates elected or appointed via intimidation, redistricting and opposing the new Voter's Right Act that, for one, limits dark money for these purposes. The press is reporting, except faux news, on these developments. Its all out in the open, if you choose to see, understand and believe it.

    Only 21% of repubs believe Biden is POTUS. They're too far gone. Despite the legal challenges going nowhere, the audits turning up crap and not having provided one shred of evidence that there was fraud, any kind of fraud, that resulted in a different outcome. Way too far gone.
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,274
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 
    They built a gallows and stormed the building announcing their intentions, why not take them at their word?

    If they were willing to attack the police the way they did, why should we assume they would have treated Pence or anyone else any better? 
    My point of view has a lot to do with how many of "them" are we talking about?  Was the building of a gallows part of some sort of coordinated effort? 

    And the gallows... again to me was just plain ole' fashioned stupidity and symbolism. Hear me out... the media is insistent that because of the chants and because of the gallows... this big group was there to kill him in a planned and coordinated effort.  I'm sorry, but no.  It's like when the Knights forgot to put themselves in the rabbit in Holy Grail.  I think the first plan on killing a fellow would be to find and capture the fellow... THEN build a gallows.   My point is where is this plan?  Who coordinated it? Where were the firearms and manpower to carry out this master plan?  

    I could be wrong... have they found the folks who installed the gallows? Did an investigation show that the folks who installed the gallows had a coordinated plan to kill the VP?   It's insane to think, I agree... but I think the so-called insurrectionists were more batshit crazy morons than organized rebels.  To that point... where are the treason charges? Sedition charges? Why doesn't the American justice system care more if I'm not wrong? 

    It was.. what it was from what I can tell unless I'm missing a large amount of information.. which could very well be the case. 


    They're still looking for the guy who placed pipe bombs around the capitol the night before. They arrested and charged a guy who had a van full of weapons parked on a street nearby. They have evidence of coordinated meetups with duffle bags full of guns. The committee is working its way up the food chain. This is why elected representatives, former members of the POOTWH Administration and the Steve O and Mikey Flynn Baby's of the conspiracy are refusing to cooperate and pleading the 5th. They know they face potential criminal charges.

    Regarding how organized it was, see Peter Navarro and his television interview and book where he describes the "bloodless coup" attempt, the plan it laid out and who was involved and why. But for a few individuals, Pence, Raspenburger and others at the State level who allowed the rule of law to prevail, they may very well have succeeded. Kick any related disagreement or legal challenge on process, legality or procedure to the Supreme Court and voila, POOTWH remains POTUS. And what are the repubs at the state level doing as we speak? Changing election laws to appoint their loyalists in positions of election oversight, getting their candidates elected or appointed via intimidation, redistricting and opposing the new Voter's Right Act that, for one, limits dark money for these purposes. The press is reporting, except faux news, on these developments. Its all out in the open, if you choose to see, understand and believe it.

    Only 21% of repubs believe Biden is POTUS. They're too far gone. Despite the legal challenges going nowhere, the audits turning up crap and not having provided one shred of evidence that there was fraud, any kind of fraud, that resulted in a different outcome. Way too far gone.
    This is why I feel the outrage and coverage should be more accurately aimed at the suits and not the viking costumes.  (I can't believe Navarro went on MSNBC and laid it all out.  What he described wasn't surprising at all.... that he said it... on MSNBC is shocking.) 

    I just heard Cory Booker's speech and while powerful and moving... it seemed aimed at 'the people waving the confederate flag' in the capitol.  Which is bad, don't get me wrong. But you're going to be dealing with racist dbags for a while...   what and/or who drove that fellow to the capitol is the big issue. 

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 29,508
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 
    They built a gallows and stormed the building announcing their intentions, why not take them at their word?

    If they were willing to attack the police the way they did, why should we assume they would have treated Pence or anyone else any better? 
    My point of view has a lot to do with how many of "them" are we talking about?  Was the building of a gallows part of some sort of coordinated effort? 

    And the gallows... again to me was just plain ole' fashioned stupidity and symbolism. Hear me out... the media is insistent that because of the chants and because of the gallows... this big group was there to kill him in a planned and coordinated effort.  I'm sorry, but no.  It's like when the Knights forgot to put themselves in the rabbit in Holy Grail.  I think the first plan on killing a fellow would be to find and capture the fellow... THEN build a gallows.   My point is where is this plan?  Who coordinated it? Where were the firearms and manpower to carry out this master plan?  

    I could be wrong... have they found the folks who installed the gallows? Did an investigation show that the folks who installed the gallows had a coordinated plan to kill the VP?   It's insane to think, I agree... but I think the so-called insurrectionists were more batshit crazy morons than organized rebels.  To that point... where are the treason charges? Sedition charges? Why doesn't the American justice system care more if I'm not wrong? 

    It was.. what it was from what I can tell unless I'm missing a large amount of information.. which could very well be the case. 


    They're still looking for the guy who placed pipe bombs around the capitol the night before. They arrested and charged a guy who had a van full of weapons parked on a street nearby. They have evidence of coordinated meetups with duffle bags full of guns. The committee is working its way up the food chain. This is why elected representatives, former members of the POOTWH Administration and the Steve O and Mikey Flynn Baby's of the conspiracy are refusing to cooperate and pleading the 5th. They know they face potential criminal charges.

    Regarding how organized it was, see Peter Navarro and his television interview and book where he describes the "bloodless coup" attempt, the plan it laid out and who was involved and why. But for a few individuals, Pence, Raspenburger and others at the State level who allowed the rule of law to prevail, they may very well have succeeded. Kick any related disagreement or legal challenge on process, legality or procedure to the Supreme Court and voila, POOTWH remains POTUS. And what are the repubs at the state level doing as we speak? Changing election laws to appoint their loyalists in positions of election oversight, getting their candidates elected or appointed via intimidation, redistricting and opposing the new Voter's Right Act that, for one, limits dark money for these purposes. The press is reporting, except faux news, on these developments. Its all out in the open, if you choose to see, understand and believe it.

    Only 21% of repubs believe Biden is POTUS. They're too far gone. Despite the legal challenges going nowhere, the audits turning up crap and not having provided one shred of evidence that there was fraud, any kind of fraud, that resulted in a different outcome. Way too far gone.
    This is why I feel the outrage and coverage should be more accurately aimed at the suits and not the viking costumes.  (I can't believe Navarro went on MSNBC and laid it all out.  What he described wasn't surprising at all.... that he said it... on MSNBC is shocking.) 

    I just heard Cory Booker's speech and while powerful and moving... it seemed aimed at 'the people waving the confederate flag' in the capitol.  Which is bad, don't get me wrong. But you're going to be dealing with racist dbags for a while...   what and/or who drove that fellow to the capitol is the big issue. 

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    The suits are lead by the guys n gals with the confederate flags. That's what re-districting does. Those folks don't have to be outraged and if they are, they get voted out. Its too late. Its only just begun.
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,274
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 
    They built a gallows and stormed the building announcing their intentions, why not take them at their word?

    If they were willing to attack the police the way they did, why should we assume they would have treated Pence or anyone else any better? 
    My point of view has a lot to do with how many of "them" are we talking about?  Was the building of a gallows part of some sort of coordinated effort? 

    And the gallows... again to me was just plain ole' fashioned stupidity and symbolism. Hear me out... the media is insistent that because of the chants and because of the gallows... this big group was there to kill him in a planned and coordinated effort.  I'm sorry, but no.  It's like when the Knights forgot to put themselves in the rabbit in Holy Grail.  I think the first plan on killing a fellow would be to find and capture the fellow... THEN build a gallows.   My point is where is this plan?  Who coordinated it? Where were the firearms and manpower to carry out this master plan?  

    I could be wrong... have they found the folks who installed the gallows? Did an investigation show that the folks who installed the gallows had a coordinated plan to kill the VP?   It's insane to think, I agree... but I think the so-called insurrectionists were more batshit crazy morons than organized rebels.  To that point... where are the treason charges? Sedition charges? Why doesn't the American justice system care more if I'm not wrong? 

    It was.. what it was from what I can tell unless I'm missing a large amount of information.. which could very well be the case. 


    They're still looking for the guy who placed pipe bombs around the capitol the night before. They arrested and charged a guy who had a van full of weapons parked on a street nearby. They have evidence of coordinated meetups with duffle bags full of guns. The committee is working its way up the food chain. This is why elected representatives, former members of the POOTWH Administration and the Steve O and Mikey Flynn Baby's of the conspiracy are refusing to cooperate and pleading the 5th. They know they face potential criminal charges.

    Regarding how organized it was, see Peter Navarro and his television interview and book where he describes the "bloodless coup" attempt, the plan it laid out and who was involved and why. But for a few individuals, Pence, Raspenburger and others at the State level who allowed the rule of law to prevail, they may very well have succeeded. Kick any related disagreement or legal challenge on process, legality or procedure to the Supreme Court and voila, POOTWH remains POTUS. And what are the repubs at the state level doing as we speak? Changing election laws to appoint their loyalists in positions of election oversight, getting their candidates elected or appointed via intimidation, redistricting and opposing the new Voter's Right Act that, for one, limits dark money for these purposes. The press is reporting, except faux news, on these developments. Its all out in the open, if you choose to see, understand and believe it.

    Only 21% of repubs believe Biden is POTUS. They're too far gone. Despite the legal challenges going nowhere, the audits turning up crap and not having provided one shred of evidence that there was fraud, any kind of fraud, that resulted in a different outcome. Way too far gone.
    This is why I feel the outrage and coverage should be more accurately aimed at the suits and not the viking costumes.  (I can't believe Navarro went on MSNBC and laid it all out.  What he described wasn't surprising at all.... that he said it... on MSNBC is shocking.) 

    I just heard Cory Booker's speech and while powerful and moving... it seemed aimed at 'the people waving the confederate flag' in the capitol.  Which is bad, don't get me wrong. But you're going to be dealing with racist dbags for a while...   what and/or who drove that fellow to the capitol is the big issue. 

    If you've ever seen the film Murder in the First... .Kevin Bacon at the end.. ."I was the weapon, but I ain't no murderer." 
    The suits are lead by the guys n gals with the confederate flags. That's what re-districting does. Those folks don't have to be outraged and if they are, they get voted out. Its too late. Its only just begun.
    By that opinion, do you figure you'll see more MTG and Boebert types? 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 29,508
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 
    They built a gallows and stormed the building announcing their intentions, why not take them at their word?

    If they were willing to attack the police the way they did, why should we assume they would have treated Pence or anyone else any better? 
    My point of view has a lot to do with how many of "them" are we talking about?  Was the building of a gallows part of some sort of coordinated effort? 

    And the gallows... again to me was just plain ole' fashioned stupidity and symbolism. Hear me out... the media is insistent that because of the chants and because of the gallows... this big group was there to kill him in a planned and coordinated effort.  I'm sorry, but no.  It's like when the Knights forgot to put themselves in the rabbit in Holy Grail.  I think the first plan on killing a fellow would be to find and capture the fellow... THEN build a gallows.   My point is where is this plan?  Who coordinated it? Where were the firearms and manpower to carry out this master plan?  

    I could be wrong... have they found the folks who installed the gallows? Did an investigation show that the folks who installed the gallows had a coordinated plan to kill the VP?   It's insane to think, I agree... but I think the so-called insurrectionists were more batshit crazy morons than organized rebels.  To that point... where are the treason charges? Sedition charges? Why doesn't the American justice system care more if I'm not wrong? 

    It was.. what it was from what I can tell unless I'm missing a large amount of information.. which could very well be the case. 


    They're still looking for the guy who placed pipe bombs around the capitol the night before. They arrested and charged a guy who had a van full of weapons parked on a street nearby. They have evidence of coordinated meetups with duffle bags full of guns. The committee is working its way up the food chain. This is why elected representatives, former members of the POOTWH Administration and the Steve O and Mikey Flynn Baby's of the conspiracy are refusing to cooperate and pleading the 5th. They know they face potential criminal charges.

    Regarding how organized it was, see Peter Navarro and his television interview and book where he describes the "bloodless coup" attempt, the plan it laid out and who was involved and why. But for a few individuals, Pence, Raspenburger and others at the State level who allowed the rule of law to prevail, they may very well have succeeded. Kick any related disagreement or legal challenge on process, legality or procedure to the Supreme Court and voila, POOTWH remains POTUS. And what are the repubs at the state level doing as we speak? Changing election laws to appoint their loyalists in positions of election oversight, getting their candidates elected or appointed via intimidation, redistricting and opposing the new Voter's Right Act that, for one, limits dark money for these purposes. The press is reporting, except faux news, on these developments. Its all out in the open, if you choose to see, understand and believe it.

    Only 21% of repubs believe Biden is POTUS. They're too far gone. Despite the legal challenges going nowhere, the audits turning up crap and not having provided one shred of evidence that there was fraud, any kind of fraud, that resulted in a different outcome. Way too far gone.
    This is why I feel the outrage and coverage should be more accurately aimed at the suits and not the viking costumes.  (I can't believe Navarro went on MSNBC and laid it all out.  What he described wasn't surprising at all.... that he said it... on MSNBC is shocking.) 

    I just heard Cory Booker's speech and while powerful and moving... it seemed aimed at 'the people waving the confederate flag' in the capitol.  Which is bad, don't get me wrong. But you're going to be dealing with racist dbags for a while...   what and/or who drove that fellow to the capitol is the big issue. 

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    The suits are lead by the guys n gals with the confederate flags. That's what re-districting does. Those folks don't have to be outraged and if they are, they get voted out. Its too late. Its only just begun.
    By that opinion, do you figure you'll see more MTG and Boebert types? 
    Absolutely.
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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,274
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    Parksy said:
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 
    They built a gallows and stormed the building announcing their intentions, why not take them at their word?

    If they were willing to attack the police the way they did, why should we assume they would have treated Pence or anyone else any better? 
    My point of view has a lot to do with how many of "them" are we talking about?  Was the building of a gallows part of some sort of coordinated effort? 

    And the gallows... again to me was just plain ole' fashioned stupidity and symbolism. Hear me out... the media is insistent that because of the chants and because of the gallows... this big group was there to kill him in a planned and coordinated effort.  I'm sorry, but no.  It's like when the Knights forgot to put themselves in the rabbit in Holy Grail.  I think the first plan on killing a fellow would be to find and capture the fellow... THEN build a gallows.   My point is where is this plan?  Who coordinated it? Where were the firearms and manpower to carry out this master plan?  

    I could be wrong... have they found the folks who installed the gallows? Did an investigation show that the folks who installed the gallows had a coordinated plan to kill the VP?   It's insane to think, I agree... but I think the so-called insurrectionists were more batshit crazy morons than organized rebels.  To that point... where are the treason charges? Sedition charges? Why doesn't the American justice system care more if I'm not wrong? 

    It was.. what it was from what I can tell unless I'm missing a large amount of information.. which could very well be the case. 


    They're still looking for the guy who placed pipe bombs around the capitol the night before. They arrested and charged a guy who had a van full of weapons parked on a street nearby. They have evidence of coordinated meetups with duffle bags full of guns. The committee is working its way up the food chain. This is why elected representatives, former members of the POOTWH Administration and the Steve O and Mikey Flynn Baby's of the conspiracy are refusing to cooperate and pleading the 5th. They know they face potential criminal charges.

    Regarding how organized it was, see Peter Navarro and his television interview and book where he describes the "bloodless coup" attempt, the plan it laid out and who was involved and why. But for a few individuals, Pence, Raspenburger and others at the State level who allowed the rule of law to prevail, they may very well have succeeded. Kick any related disagreement or legal challenge on process, legality or procedure to the Supreme Court and voila, POOTWH remains POTUS. And what are the repubs at the state level doing as we speak? Changing election laws to appoint their loyalists in positions of election oversight, getting their candidates elected or appointed via intimidation, redistricting and opposing the new Voter's Right Act that, for one, limits dark money for these purposes. The press is reporting, except faux news, on these developments. Its all out in the open, if you choose to see, understand and believe it.

    Only 21% of repubs believe Biden is POTUS. They're too far gone. Despite the legal challenges going nowhere, the audits turning up crap and not having provided one shred of evidence that there was fraud, any kind of fraud, that resulted in a different outcome. Way too far gone.
    This is why I feel the outrage and coverage should be more accurately aimed at the suits and not the viking costumes.  (I can't believe Navarro went on MSNBC and laid it all out.  What he described wasn't surprising at all.... that he said it... on MSNBC is shocking.) 

    I just heard Cory Booker's speech and while powerful and moving... it seemed aimed at 'the people waving the confederate flag' in the capitol.  Which is bad, don't get me wrong. But you're going to be dealing with racist dbags for a while...   what and/or who drove that fellow to the capitol is the big issue. 

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    The suits are lead by the guys n gals with the confederate flags. That's what re-districting does. Those folks don't have to be outraged and if they are, they get voted out. Its too late. Its only just begun.
    By that opinion, do you figure you'll see more MTG and Boebert types? 
    Absolutely.
    Yikes.  I do certainly hope not. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 36,059
    Parksy said:
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 

    As far as provoking, again, don't look at popular media which is so much a joke, left or right.  Look at the incidents, the things that are actually happening.  Who is doing the provoking?  It is the right who became insurrectionists.  It is the right who want o make voting difficult for certain populations.  Who are denying the severity of COVID.  Who are pushing gerrymandering. 

    "Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals."
    I don't see where you get that comparison.  Trump and the far right urged these insurrectionists on. Yes, a lot of it was mob behavior, but you can bet there was planning behind this as well.  I would be very cautious about writing this off as mere sports fan crowd behavior.

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  • ParksyParksy Posts: 1,274
    brianlux said:
    Parksy said:
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 

    As far as provoking, again, don't look at popular media which is so much a joke, left or right.  Look at the incidents, the things that are actually happening.  Who is doing the provoking?  It is the right who became insurrectionists.  It is the right who want o make voting difficult for certain populations.  Who are denying the severity of COVID.  Who are pushing gerrymandering. 

    "Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals."
    I don't see where you get that comparison.  Trump and the far right urged these insurrectionists on. Yes, a lot of it was mob behavior, but you can bet there was planning behind this as well.  I would be very cautious about writing this off as mere sports fan crowd behavior.

    It's more the mentality and psychology of it for the comparison.  It doesn't seem logical to believe that normal people can do crazy shit... but it does happen under the dumbest circumstances... such as the Cup finals in Vancouver.  That night in Vancouver unfolded one moment at a time and was brought on by simple mob mentality. Like a building wave that crashes. Folks who were at their day job as accountants during the day were then seen flipping over cop cars at night.   It's the idea that when people are caught up in a particularly emotional state, crazy things can happen and it can make people do crazy things that they would not have ordinarily done. 

    I think that played a large role in Jan 6th... especially the absurd characters involved.  There were some... obviously who had planned some sinister shit... but to lump them all into the same category is iaccurate imo.

    Regarding the media... the left play the same game as the right maybe just not as dirty. I saw the most interesting clip yesterday from the Daily Show where they (brilliantly) edited Fox News' coverage of BLM riots but used the Jan 6th footage. It was remarkable and glaring.  They (Fox) try to generate a narrative that if one rioter throws something at a cop or hucks a brick through a window then they are all guilty of the same crime and part of some large plan to cause chaos and destruction.   I see the left at times doing the same thing with Jan 6. 

    To say that the totality of Jan 6 was a violent insurrection orchestrated by Trump is just factually wrong in my opinion.  Some pundits and left wing media are trying to drive that point and I think sticking with the facts and being patient is prudent. Call out the truth and facts for what it is and was... which is awful.... historically and severely.. but don't get caught playing the same game your enemy (Fox) does. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 29,508
    Parksy said:
    brianlux said:
    Parksy said:
    I think the overall scope of what happened on Jan 6 and the division that's still ongoing is all very, very, very bad.  As someone pointed out, if what I'm opining on is correct, then it shouldn't serve as a notion of being relieved and brushed off, but actually a notion of... 'we may have gotten lucky this time around.' 

    What I saw just seems so contrast to what a lot of the left media are trying to provoke.  Another way that I look at it would be comparing (apples and oranges I get it) the election frustrations with medical mandate frustrations. 

    For any Canadians familiar with ultra super doosh Chris Sky will know what I mean here.  He's taken on a complex of being a sort of focal point for rebelling against COVID restrictions and even with his enthusiasm I'm not entirely convinced that he's that far gone to be taking his issues super seriously. I honestly think he's doing a lot of this for attention and show. I've seen first hand these 'protesters' and anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti- everything people. What I can't help but observe is how many of these folks are more focused on filming what their doing on their phones and streaming it than actually trying to disrupt anything. 

    Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals. There were obviously folks there looking to do some serious damage and cause some serious problems....  but not all of them. From what I saw there were more people that seemed more akin to disgruntled sports fans than insurrectionists. The proof to me is right in the videos. A planned violent insurrection to me at least doesn't involve what could be best described as mischief and property damage. Stealing podiums, pooping in hallways, posing for photos.  It was absolutely absurd. 

    Like you have to ask yourself... when you see those idiots that breached the building... did they seem organized? Or did it seem like they got there and thought "ok, now what?" I'm on the opinion that most of them were like "OK, now what."

    What is frightful is what would happen if you separated the simple attention seeking morons and social media personalities with legit, armed insurrectionists with a legit plan. 

    Someone else also pointed out that it's perhaps being under blown.  To that there is some validity. What I'm saying in terms of mob mentality could have (we don't know for sure) but could have dissolved into a sinister chaos.  Those chanting 'hang Mike Pence' .... I'm not convinced they would actually go through with that if the man was all of a sudden exposed. But what's scary, is I could be very wrong. 

    As far as provoking, again, don't look at popular media which is so much a joke, left or right.  Look at the incidents, the things that are actually happening.  Who is doing the provoking?  It is the right who became insurrectionists.  It is the right who want o make voting difficult for certain populations.  Who are denying the severity of COVID.  Who are pushing gerrymandering. 

    "Looking at January 6th, I see the same thing.  I think a lot of people involved were there for attention, and took part in mob mentality rioting not unlike when Vancouver lost the Stanley Cup finals."
    I don't see where you get that comparison.  Trump and the far right urged these insurrectionists on. Yes, a lot of it was mob behavior, but you can bet there was planning behind this as well.  I would be very cautious about writing this off as mere sports fan crowd behavior.

    It's more the mentality and psychology of it for the comparison.  It doesn't seem logical to believe that normal people can do crazy shit... but it does happen under the dumbest circumstances... such as the Cup finals in Vancouver.  That night in Vancouver unfolded one moment at a time and was brought on by simple mob mentality. Like a building wave that crashes. Folks who were at their day job as accountants during the day were then seen flipping over cop cars at night.   It's the idea that when people are caught up in a particularly emotional state, crazy things can happen and it can make people do crazy things that they would not have ordinarily done. 

    I think that played a large role in Jan 6th... especially the absurd characters involved.  There were some... obviously who had planned some sinister shit... but to lump them all into the same category is iaccurate imo.

    Regarding the media... the left play the same game as the right maybe just not as dirty. I saw the most interesting clip yesterday from the Daily Show where they (brilliantly) edited Fox News' coverage of BLM riots but used the Jan 6th footage. It was remarkable and glaring.  They (Fox) try to generate a narrative that if one rioter throws something at a cop or hucks a brick through a window then they are all guilty of the same crime and part of some large plan to cause chaos and destruction.   I see the left at times doing the same thing with Jan 6. 

    To say that the totality of Jan 6 was a violent insurrection orchestrated by Trump is just factually wrong in my opinion.  Some pundits and left wing media are trying to drive that point and I think sticking with the facts and being patient is prudent. Call out the truth and facts for what it is and was... which is awful.... historically and severely.. but don't get caught playing the same game your enemy (Fox) does. 
    The committee is still seated and conducting its investigation. Seems DOJ may be doing their own investigation based on what Merrick Garland said yesterday. Nothing has been determined definitively thus far except for the folks who plead guilty or were found guilty and have been sentenced. But we have a sense of the effort and actions from the confederate flag guys and gals who were caught up in the moment all the way up to POOTWH. We watched it unfold and some of us have followed along since.
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