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At what length does a record side really distort?

Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
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I have some albums with like 25-28 minutes per side and I haven't heard any difference. Obviously I do not have high end equipment and might not know what to hear for.

What length is really tooo long? And where is it just silly nerd talk? 
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"

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  • Cropduster-80Cropduster-80 Posts: 2,034
    No idea. I’ve got some that go all the way in that sound fine and others that start distorting with a lot of dead wax 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    I'm not sure a lengthy side will so much distort as it will just sound weak and thin.  I have an early pressing of Neil Young and Crazy Horse's, Ragged Glory on vinyl and side 1 is a ridiculous 34 1/2 minutes long with side 2 clocking in a little over 28 minutes.  This record is a disaster!  It has (I think, anyway) some of the best work ever recorded by this band and yet because the grooves are practically microscopic, the album sounds weak, thin, and lacking in the robust quality the performances deserve.  This album is CRYING to be repressed on two LPs with nice, fat grooves!
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    brianlux said:
    I'm not sure a lengthy side will so much distort as it will just sound weak and thin.  I have an early pressing of Neil Young and Crazy Horse's, Ragged Glory on vinyl and side 1 is a ridiculous 34 1/2 minutes long with side 2 clocking in a little over 28 minutes.  This record is a disaster!  It has (I think, anyway) some of the best work ever recorded by this band and yet because the grooves are practically microscopic, the album sounds weak, thin, and lacking in the robust quality the performances deserve.  This album is CRYING to be repressed on two LPs with nice, fat grooves!
    I bought this for quite a lot of koney (While my brither have to copies found for like 6-7 dollars back in the early 00s). But I think I will sell it off before the 2 LP re-release comes. 

    But yeah. 35 min might be stretching it thin :D 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    I'm not sure a lengthy side will so much distort as it will just sound weak and thin.  I have an early pressing of Neil Young and Crazy Horse's, Ragged Glory on vinyl and side 1 is a ridiculous 34 1/2 minutes long with side 2 clocking in a little over 28 minutes.  This record is a disaster!  It has (I think, anyway) some of the best work ever recorded by this band and yet because the grooves are practically microscopic, the album sounds weak, thin, and lacking in the robust quality the performances deserve.  This album is CRYING to be repressed on two LPs with nice, fat grooves!
    I bought this for quite a lot of koney (While my brither have to copies found for like 6-7 dollars back in the early 00s). But I think I will sell it off before the 2 LP re-release comes. 

    But yeah. 35 min might be stretching it thin :D 

    It is indeed!  It's truly perplexing that Neil would have allowed this.  One of his strongest albums comes across as weak tea on that early vinyl pressing! Is a double LP reissue in the works?
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    brianlux said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    I'm not sure a lengthy side will so much distort as it will just sound weak and thin.  I have an early pressing of Neil Young and Crazy Horse's, Ragged Glory on vinyl and side 1 is a ridiculous 34 1/2 minutes long with side 2 clocking in a little over 28 minutes.  This record is a disaster!  It has (I think, anyway) some of the best work ever recorded by this band and yet because the grooves are practically microscopic, the album sounds weak, thin, and lacking in the robust quality the performances deserve.  This album is CRYING to be repressed on two LPs with nice, fat grooves!
    I bought this for quite a lot of koney (While my brither have to copies found for like 6-7 dollars back in the early 00s). But I think I will sell it off before the 2 LP re-release comes. 

    But yeah. 35 min might be stretching it thin :D 

    It is indeed!  It's truly perplexing that Neil would have allowed this.  One of his strongest albums comes across as weak tea on that early vinyl pressing! Is a double LP reissue in the works?
    I heard the re-issue is a double. Back sometime... I guess it's suppose to come out this year (2022).

    Ragged Glory came out in 1990.. so it is quite weird. Why not remove a song or two, like many vinyl albums did compared to the CD:s back then. If a double album was not an option. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,075
    It is, its supposed to contain Smell The Horse as well.

    Hopefully we see ORS 5 this year because thats where it will pop up first. With all the releases he has lined up, I'm sure WB bumps a bunch for capacity for other acts they have. 


  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,075
    We are presenting this in all analog for the first time, remastered from original analog 2 tracks under the loving care of John Hanlon. John has wanted to do this for years and now it’s here, coming in triple vinyl and remastered for CD and Hi Res from the original analog mixes. This will most definitely be the greatest version of this record ever made."

    ‘Ragged Glory - ‘smell the horse’ features 4 added tracks:

    • Born To Run
    • Interstate
    • Boxcar
    • Don’t Spook the Horse

    Produced by David Briggs, Neil Young and John Hanlon


  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    Tim Simmons said:
    It is, its supposed to contain Smell The Horse as well.

    Hopefully we see ORS 5 this year because thats where it will pop up first. With all the releases he has lined up, I'm sure WB bumps a bunch for capacity for other acts they have. 


    What is ORS5?
    Tim Simmons said:
    We are presenting this in all analog for the first time, remastered from original analog 2 tracks under the loving care of John Hanlon. John has wanted to do this for years and now it’s here, coming in triple vinyl and remastered for CD and Hi Res from the original analog mixes. This will most definitely be the greatest version of this record ever made."

    ‘Ragged Glory - ‘smell the horse’ features 4 added tracks:

    • Born To Run
    • Interstate
    • Boxcar
    • Don’t Spook the Horse

    Produced by David Briggs, Neil Young and John Hanlon



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  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,075
    edited January 2022
    ORS 5 is the 5th box set of the Original Recordings Series (the main albums). 4 isn't even out yet but is expected sometime this Spring. 

    ORS Box Set #4: Hawks and Doves, Re-Ac-Tor, This Note's For You, Eldorado (WAS Scheduled for 1/22)
    ORS Box Set #5: Freedom, Weld, Arc, Ragged Glory + Smell The Horse (WAS scheduled for 11/21)
    ORS Box Set #6: Harvest Moon, Unplugged, Sleeps With Angels, Mirrorball (WAS Scheduled for 5/22)
    ORS Box Set #7 : Broken Arrow, Year of the Horse, Silver and Gold, Road Rock
    Post edited by Tim Simmons on
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    He should release a Road rock vol 2 when he releases the first volume again. 

    Kind of wish Are you Passionate could have been in ORS 7 instead of road rock. 
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Tim SimmonsTim Simmons Posts: 8,075
    7 isn't officially announced yet, but thats what some think the breakdown will be. AYP could work in there. But yeah, RR could be expanded. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    He should release a Road rock vol 2 when he releases the first volume again. 

    Kind of wish Are you Passionate could have been in ORS 7 instead of road rock. 
    I have Are You Passionate on vinyl.Pretty week forNeil.   Should have had more of the live stuff we Booker T.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    I like Are You Passionate (do not own it, but once I held it at a record store in the Swedish city of Lund). The songs are also VERY GOOD live. As shown by the 2001 tour and the Stockholm boot from that tour he has on his Archives-website.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • goldrushgoldrush Posts: 7,534
    edited February 2022
    Based on this reply I got last year, Road Rock and Are You Passionate will be in ORS 8 (probably with Prairie Wind and one or both versions of Living With War)…



    …although with Neil, everything is subject to change!
    Post edited by goldrush on
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