2022 North American rumour thread take 2

OceansJenny

JimmyV said:

3days said:

washed in black said:

JimmyV said:

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If they would allow you to order a poster and sticker sight unseen with your 10c tix, I'd be totally on board. Might end up with an ugly poster, but ugly poster usually equals great show! 

They did that once. People complained about the artwork, and for whatever reason, preorder posters were never offered again.

They were also strangely concerned about the secondary market collapsing, for whatever reason. 

From what we know from Brad Klausen’s post over in the EV merch thread, there is no commission on gig posters and the artist only makes money on their AP sale. So if the secondary market collapses and there is no demand for APs it hurts the artist and they may not want to do another. Just my guess.

JimmyV

OceansJenny said:

JimmyV said:

3days said:

washed in black said:

JimmyV said:

PJ Premium Merch Access 

Coming 2023

If they would allow you to order a poster and sticker sight unseen with your 10c tix, I'd be totally on board. Might end up with an ugly poster, but ugly poster usually equals great show! 

They did that once. People complained about the artwork, and for whatever reason, preorder posters were never offered again.

They were also strangely concerned about the secondary market collapsing, for whatever reason. 

From what we know from Brad Klausen’s post over in the EV merch thread, there is no commission on gig posters and the artist only makes money on their AP sale. So if the secondary market collapses and there is no demand for APs it hurts the artist and they may not want to do another. Just my guess.

That would make sense. 

Douglas12373

or, God forbid, they could pay artists for doing work for them that brings in a fair amount of money

JimmyV

Douglas12373 said:

or, God forbid, they could pay artists for doing work for them that brings in a fair amount of money

This also makes sense, and it was surprising to learn that doesn't happen. 

Bentleyspop

Start saving you SS checks...

https://twitter.com/JeffAmentsArmy/status/1509865553862746113?t=5vVJ6JFJDLsub2N-woPl6w&s=19

mattcoz

OceansJenny said:

JimmyV said:

3days said:

washed in black said:

JimmyV said:

PJ Premium Merch Access 

Coming 2023

If they would allow you to order a poster and sticker sight unseen with your 10c tix, I'd be totally on board. Might end up with an ugly poster, but ugly poster usually equals great show! 

They did that once. People complained about the artwork, and for whatever reason, preorder posters were never offered again.

They were also strangely concerned about the secondary market collapsing, for whatever reason. 

From what we know from Brad Klausen’s post over in the EV merch thread, there is no commission on gig posters and the artist only makes money on their AP sale. So if the secondary market collapses and there is no demand for APs it hurts the artist and they may not want to do another. Just my guess.

Seriously? That's ridiculous.

mpedone

Douglas12373 said:

or, God forbid, they could pay artists for doing work for them that brings in a fair amount of money

Nah, they're getting paid in exposure! Artists love that, right? Hang on... *checks Twitter* ...oh yeah, no, they hate that. Of course, given that PJ posters are almost guaranteed to sell out their print run, maybe it's not quite as bad as "paid in exposure".

drakeheuer14

mattcoz said:

OceansJenny said:

JimmyV said:

3days said:

washed in black said:

JimmyV said:

PJ Premium Merch Access 

Coming 2023

If they would allow you to order a poster and sticker sight unseen with your 10c tix, I'd be totally on board. Might end up with an ugly poster, but ugly poster usually equals great show! 

They did that once. People complained about the artwork, and for whatever reason, preorder posters were never offered again.

They were also strangely concerned about the secondary market collapsing, for whatever reason. 

From what we know from Brad Klausen’s post over in the EV merch thread, there is no commission on gig posters and the artist only makes money on their AP sale. So if the secondary market collapses and there is no demand for APs it hurts the artist and they may not want to do another. Just my guess.

Seriously? That's ridiculous.

Depends if that’s industry standard or not? If PJ is the only one that operates that way, then it’s a bad look. If not, then that’s just how it works. 

opsopcopolis

OceansJenny said:

JimmyV said:

3days said:

washed in black said:

JimmyV said:

PJ Premium Merch Access 

Coming 2023

If they would allow you to order a poster and sticker sight unseen with your 10c tix, I'd be totally on board. Might end up with an ugly poster, but ugly poster usually equals great show! 

They did that once. People complained about the artwork, and for whatever reason, preorder posters were never offered again.

They were also strangely concerned about the secondary market collapsing, for whatever reason. 

From what we know from Brad Klausen’s post over in the EV merch thread, there is no commission on gig posters and the artist only makes money on their AP sale. So if the secondary market collapses and there is no demand for APs it hurts the artist and they may not want to do another. Just my guess.

I obviously don't have any life experience to say otherwise, but I have an extremely hard time believing bands don't pay poster artists for their work and time. 

mattcoz

drakeheuer14 said:

mattcoz said:

OceansJenny said:

JimmyV said:

3days said:

washed in black said:

JimmyV said:

PJ Premium Merch Access 

Coming 2023

If they would allow you to order a poster and sticker sight unseen with your 10c tix, I'd be totally on board. Might end up with an ugly poster, but ugly poster usually equals great show! 

They did that once. People complained about the artwork, and for whatever reason, preorder posters were never offered again.

They were also strangely concerned about the secondary market collapsing, for whatever reason. 

From what we know from Brad Klausen’s post over in the EV merch thread, there is no commission on gig posters and the artist only makes money on their AP sale. So if the secondary market collapses and there is no demand for APs it hurts the artist and they may not want to do another. Just my guess.

Seriously? That's ridiculous.

Depends if that’s industry standard or not? If PJ is the only one that operates that way, then it’s a bad look. If not, then that’s just how it works. 

It's still ridiculous, maybe more so if that's "just how it works".

drakeheuer14

mattcoz said:

drakeheuer14 said:

mattcoz said:

OceansJenny said:

JimmyV said:

3days said:

washed in black said:

JimmyV said:

PJ Premium Merch Access 

Coming 2023

If they would allow you to order a poster and sticker sight unseen with your 10c tix, I'd be totally on board. Might end up with an ugly poster, but ugly poster usually equals great show! 

They did that once. People complained about the artwork, and for whatever reason, preorder posters were never offered again.

They were also strangely concerned about the secondary market collapsing, for whatever reason. 

From what we know from Brad Klausen’s post over in the EV merch thread, there is no commission on gig posters and the artist only makes money on their AP sale. So if the secondary market collapses and there is no demand for APs it hurts the artist and they may not want to do another. Just my guess.

Seriously? That's ridiculous.

Depends if that’s industry standard or not? If PJ is the only one that operates that way, then it’s a bad look. If not, then that’s just how it works. 

It's still ridiculous, maybe more so if that's "just how it works".

I mean I would have to assume if it was truly that ridiculous then artists wouldn’t agree to do it? 

given2fly23

opsopcopolis said:

OceansJenny said:

JimmyV said:

3days said:

washed in black said:

JimmyV said:

PJ Premium Merch Access 

Coming 2023

If they would allow you to order a poster and sticker sight unseen with your 10c tix, I'd be totally on board. Might end up with an ugly poster, but ugly poster usually equals great show! 

They did that once. People complained about the artwork, and for whatever reason, preorder posters were never offered again.

They were also strangely concerned about the secondary market collapsing, for whatever reason. 

From what we know from Brad Klausen’s post over in the EV merch thread, there is no commission on gig posters and the artist only makes money on their AP sale. So if the secondary market collapses and there is no demand for APs it hurts the artist and they may not want to do another. Just my guess.

I obviously don't have any life experience to say otherwise, but I have an extremely hard time believing bands don't pay poster artists for their work and time. 

Exactly. I don't know what Klausen said, but I'm guessing "no commission" actually just meant that the artist gets a flat fee for the artwork rather than a percentage per show edition sold.  But you know, this is the internet, so people have to freak out immediately.

mpedone

drakeheuer14 said:

mattcoz said:

OceansJenny said:

JimmyV said:

3days said:

washed in black said:

JimmyV said:

PJ Premium Merch Access 

Coming 2023

If they would allow you to order a poster and sticker sight unseen with your 10c tix, I'd be totally on board. Might end up with an ugly poster, but ugly poster usually equals great show! 

They did that once. People complained about the artwork, and for whatever reason, preorder posters were never offered again.

They were also strangely concerned about the secondary market collapsing, for whatever reason. 

From what we know from Brad Klausen’s post over in the EV merch thread, there is no commission on gig posters and the artist only makes money on their AP sale. So if the secondary market collapses and there is no demand for APs it hurts the artist and they may not want to do another. Just my guess.

Seriously? That's ridiculous.

Depends if that’s industry standard or not? If PJ is the only one that operates that way, then it’s a bad look. If not, then that’s just how it works. 

Reading Klausen's post, it sounds like it is industry standard:

"And to any artists new to the world of gigposters.... you will almost never get paid a commission to make a poster for a band. If you do get paid a commission or fee, expect it to be insultingly low, like $200-300 for weeks of your time and energy. This is why most poster artist figured out a long time ago instead of getting paid $200, why not just have the merchandise company pay for $200-300 worth of more prints they can give to you as your payment that you can sell on your own for what ever price you choose... so say you get 100 posters and charge $90 and sell out... your commission is $9000 instead of $300.... not bad right? And Pearl Jam / Tsurt takes care of posters artists better then most bands / merchandise companies..so don't always expect you will get 100 posters as payment... some companies will give you 25-50."

aisleseats

mpedone said:

drakeheuer14 said:

mattcoz said:

OceansJenny said:

JimmyV said:

3days said:

washed in black said:

JimmyV said:

PJ Premium Merch Access 

Coming 2023

If they would allow you to order a poster and sticker sight unseen with your 10c tix, I'd be totally on board. Might end up with an ugly poster, but ugly poster usually equals great show! 

They did that once. People complained about the artwork, and for whatever reason, preorder posters were never offered again.

They were also strangely concerned about the secondary market collapsing, for whatever reason. 

From what we know from Brad Klausen’s post over in the EV merch thread, there is no commission on gig posters and the artist only makes money on their AP sale. So if the secondary market collapses and there is no demand for APs it hurts the artist and they may not want to do another. Just my guess.

Seriously? That's ridiculous.

Depends if that’s industry standard or not? If PJ is the only one that operates that way, then it’s a bad look. If not, then that’s just how it works. 

Reading Klausen's post, it sounds like it is industry standard:

"And to any artists new to the world of gigposters.... you will almost never get paid a commission to make a poster for a band. If you do get paid a commission or fee, expect it to be insultingly low, like $200-300 for weeks of your time and energy. This is why most poster artist figured out a long time ago instead of getting paid $200, why not just have the merchandise company pay for $200-300 worth of more prints they can give to you as your payment that you can sell on your own for what ever price you choose... so say you get 100 posters and charge $90 and sell out... your commission is $9000 instead of $300.... not bad right? And Pearl Jam / Tsurt takes care of posters artists better then most bands / merchandise companies..so don't always expect you will get 100 posters as payment... some companies will give you 25-50."

I wish you had posted that earlier. I spent an hour reading that thread this morning in search of that very post. 

given2fly23

There we go.  Makes perfect sense.

mpedone

aisleseats said:

mpedone said:

drakeheuer14 said:

mattcoz said:

OceansJenny said:

JimmyV said:

3days said:

washed in black said:

JimmyV said:

PJ Premium Merch Access 

Coming 2023

If they would allow you to order a poster and sticker sight unseen with your 10c tix, I'd be totally on board. Might end up with an ugly poster, but ugly poster usually equals great show! 

They did that once. People complained about the artwork, and for whatever reason, preorder posters were never offered again.

They were also strangely concerned about the secondary market collapsing, for whatever reason. 

From what we know from Brad Klausen’s post over in the EV merch thread, there is no commission on gig posters and the artist only makes money on their AP sale. So if the secondary market collapses and there is no demand for APs it hurts the artist and they may not want to do another. Just my guess.

Seriously? That's ridiculous.

Depends if that’s industry standard or not? If PJ is the only one that operates that way, then it’s a bad look. If not, then that’s just how it works. 

Reading Klausen's post, it sounds like it is industry standard:

"And to any artists new to the world of gigposters.... you will almost never get paid a commission to make a poster for a band. If you do get paid a commission or fee, expect it to be insultingly low, like $200-300 for weeks of your time and energy. This is why most poster artist figured out a long time ago instead of getting paid $200, why not just have the merchandise company pay for $200-300 worth of more prints they can give to you as your payment that you can sell on your own for what ever price you choose... so say you get 100 posters and charge $90 and sell out... your commission is $9000 instead of $300.... not bad right? And Pearl Jam / Tsurt takes care of posters artists better then most bands / merchandise companies..so don't always expect you will get 100 posters as payment... some companies will give you 25-50."

I wish you had posted that earlier. I spent an hour reading that thread this morning in search of that very post. 

I got lucky - jumped to the end, and someone referenced it as being posted the day before. It's within the past couple of days.

mattcoz

mpedone said:

drakeheuer14 said:

mattcoz said:

OceansJenny said:

JimmyV said:

3days said:

washed in black said:

JimmyV said:

PJ Premium Merch Access 

Coming 2023

If they would allow you to order a poster and sticker sight unseen with your 10c tix, I'd be totally on board. Might end up with an ugly poster, but ugly poster usually equals great show! 

They did that once. People complained about the artwork, and for whatever reason, preorder posters were never offered again.

They were also strangely concerned about the secondary market collapsing, for whatever reason. 

From what we know from Brad Klausen’s post over in the EV merch thread, there is no commission on gig posters and the artist only makes money on their AP sale. So if the secondary market collapses and there is no demand for APs it hurts the artist and they may not want to do another. Just my guess.

Seriously? That's ridiculous.

Depends if that’s industry standard or not? If PJ is the only one that operates that way, then it’s a bad look. If not, then that’s just how it works. 

Reading Klausen's post, it sounds like it is industry standard:

"And to any artists new to the world of gigposters.... you will almost never get paid a commission to make a poster for a band. If you do get paid a commission or fee, expect it to be insultingly low, like $200-300 for weeks of your time and energy. This is why most poster artist figured out a long time ago instead of getting paid $200, why not just have the merchandise company pay for $200-300 worth of more prints they can give to you as your payment that you can sell on your own for what ever price you choose... so say you get 100 posters and charge $90 and sell out... your commission is $9000 instead of $300.... not bad right? And Pearl Jam / Tsurt takes care of posters artists better then most bands / merchandise companies..so don't always expect you will get 100 posters as payment... some companies will give you 25-50."

That helps with context, thanks. As he says, that kind of payment is "insultingly low". I didn't realize that they were doing this in lieu of payment though. I actually always figured that the band would take some cut of these prints, considering their name is on it. That's what I figured was happening with the regular prints too, but apparently not. If the artists get everything from selling their own prints, then that's not as bad.

JimmyV

Bourbon and Beyond looks to be happening:

https://bourbonandbeyond.com/

JimmyV

If they are willing to play three nights in a row like they will here (Nashville, B&B, St Louis) then maybe there are more fall shows coming. 

ComeToTX

Gives me hope for acl.