Joseph Arthur, Peter Buck, Rich Robinson, Barrett Martin new band

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,185
    He should team up with Clapton & Van Morrison not sure what they called themselves maybe Antivaxx trio? 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,719
    He should team up with Clapton & Van Morrison not sure what they called themselves maybe Antivaxx trio? 
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  • 1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    Conspiracy Karma


  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,185
    He should team up with Clapton & Van Morrison not sure what they called themselves maybe Antivaxx trio? 
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    lol Freedumb trio works 
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,185
    Conspiracy Karma


    Conspiracy trio works too! 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,289
    The last paragraph of the LA Times article: 

    "Just last week, Arthur’s girlfriend gave birth to their first child, Alessia. Asked whether their daughter will receive the recommended round of standard vaccinations that children get at 2 months, Arthur didn’t have an easy answer. “We’re looking into all that,” he says."



    They should have asked him if he trusted a doctor / hospital enough to deliver his child, and if so, why. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,289

    For the record, I'm a fan. I spun both RNDM albums while hosting some friends in our backyard last weekend, and in the process introduced them to some people who were unfamiliar with the band. 

    I was bummed out to see his instagram posts from this summer, and I'm bummed out his career has come to this. 

    I also don't get how people can't understand that their anecdotal experience w/ COVID is not what everyone experiences. The guy is delusional AF. 

    As someone mentioned on the prior page, I support his right to express his views, and I also support the rights of people to decide they don't want to be associated with his bullshit. 


    This is just sad all around. 

  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,719
    if he's an anti-vax nutter, so be it. I'll still enjoy RNDM like I always have. I don't have to like the person to like the music. Billy Corgan seriously tested that resolve, but i still try to keep it separate. 
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 10,289
    if he's an anti-vax nutter, so be it. I'll still enjoy RNDM like I always have. I don't have to like the person to like the music. Billy Corgan seriously tested that resolve, but i still try to keep it separate. 
    Same... as mentioned, I listened to both albums recently with friends and had no problem talking up the band and him as an artist. 

    He won't be the first artist I like whose personal views I disagree with, and sure as shit won't be the last. 
  • 1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    edited August 2021
    I’ll still listen to the music I have, I will not fork over anymore of my hard earned money for any JA releases in the future as long as he maintains this stance.  I cannot support people financially who take ideological stances over the health and safety of people and proven science. I do not stream music so that is moot, even if the money they make off those platforms is peanuts anyway. 

    I’m not funding anyone’s deep dive into the worm home that is white neo-conservative internet conspiracy BS designed to build resistance to any positive change in the world.  It’s too bad, I really enjoyed his interview with Mark Lanegan on YouTube.  

    His right to say and believe what he wants, my right to spend my money where I see fit. 
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 29,304
    shocked that clapton is an anti-vaxxer, too...."I'll shoot heroin but don't trust the vaccine."
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,719
    Wobbie said:
    shocked that clapton is an anti-vaxxer, too...."I'll shoot heroin but don't trust the vaccine."
    he turned anti vax after getting the shot, claiming it gave (or worsened) his MS. 
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  • 1ThoughtKnown1ThoughtKnown Posts: 6,155
    I’m not shocked. This is the “keep Britain white” guy after all. EC is a degenerate.  Great guitarist, bad human. 
  • JH6056JH6056 Posts: 2,427
    I’ll still listen to the music I have, I will not fork over anymore of my hard earned money for any JA releases in the future as long as he maintains this stance.  I cannot support people financially who take ideological stances over the health and safety of people and proven science. I do not stream music so that is moot, even if the money they make off those platforms is peanuts anyway. 

    I’m not funding anyone’s deep dive into the worm home that is white neo-conservative internet conspiracy BS designed to build resistance to any positive change in the world.  It’s too bad, I really enjoyed his interview with Mark Lanegan on YouTube.  

    His right to say and believe what he wants, my right to spend my money where I see fit. 
    Perfectly stated.

    I can't get with the whole "I separate the music from the person". The person created the music, and while I will acknowledge talent or quality songs no matter who wrote them, I absolutely cannot & will not spend time or money on artists who support causes or dangerous campaigns that I totally oppose.

    Like you said: Their right to say & believe what they want; my right to spend my money & attention where I see fit. Period.

    I recently loved the lineup of a 1-day 80s music fest happening in 2022. So many bands that would be fun to see live today. But Morrisey was headlining.  Much as I still love certain Smith's songs & albums, given his politics and also his habit of canceling shows more often than he plays them (or so it seems), nope, no way, not buying a ticket with him as a headliner.  And I'm fine with it, though bummed to miss the rest of the lineup.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,420
    Agreed. I have no problem listening to the music he made before this. But not what he does from now on.... I find it hard to imagine he'll be making anything I want to hear anyway right now. How could it not be peppered with lyrics about his new idiotic viewpoints? It seems to be a true obsession, so surely all his art is being influenced by it now.
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,420
    edited August 2021
    Richard Stuverud posted a personal shit list on his FB, and one of the items is:
    "Musicians that have lost their minds with vaccination conspiracies drowning in their own narcissism."

    Hard not to read into that, lol.
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  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,360
    PJ_Soul said:
    Richard Stuverud posted a personal shit list on his FB, and one of the items is:
    "Musicians that have lost their minds with vaccination conspiracies drowning in their own narcissism."

    Hard not to read into that, lol.
    Saw that.
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  • JH6056JH6056 Posts: 2,427
    Good for Stuverud, love when people are clear!
  • GC31608GC31608 GA Posts: 227
    Damn this really really sucks. JA has such great albums. I’ve bought many and saw him live a few times including at a City Winery several years back where it was a fiasco due to his personal struggles. It was good to see him get better and healthy after that. Even communicated with him through Twitter dm’s about his art. But what a let down this is. No doubt the end of RNDM. It’s like a self-sabotage nature with him.
  • LoujoeLoujoe Posts: 7,433
    Honestly watching him solo a few times I felt like I was watching a creative genius.  I don't follow him, twitter or whatever else kids are doing these days. It's a shame that personal opinions and whatever oozes into the musical world. I wonder how many musicians of the past if they had the same platforms to express their beliefs would we have written off.  So i don't know what ja has been rambling about, but it must be pretty bad...
    Give it a few years and i really hope none of this stuff matters. Rock and roll shouldn't be so complicated.
    Oh well.  
    Stay safe everyone.
    End of rant
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 7,868
    Loujoe said:
    I wonder how many musicians of the past if they had the same platforms to express their beliefs would we have written off.
    I think that's kinda happening with Clapton, Waters, Van Morrison 
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 7,868
    The whole JA thing is a massive bummer. I'll always enjoy his catalog but new tunes seem to have a fair amount of the conspiracy stuff seeping in which is impossible to get past (at least for me). I'm probably going to grant more leeway than most on this sorta stuff, but he's gone pretty far off the deep end. 
  • JH6056JH6056 Posts: 2,427
    I lived in NYC in the Village in '98-'00 and I think that's when a friend who owned a lower east side venue called The Living Room told me about this amazing guy named Joseph Arthur I should see. I went many times to see him there and was blown away every time - this was when he was doing a huge part of his set with the layering of the live-to-recorded loops of music, like basically building songs right in front of us in real time.  He was SO talented, very easy to talk to.  I was even there the 1st time Peter Gabriel came to check him out to maybe sign him to his own record label.

    Have always shown up every 5 or so years at least since then to check him out.  By now I don't think he remembers me from that time specifically, but he knows I'm familiar.  Ran into him at Sea Hear Now in 2018 and we went straight to this really intense talk about recent struggles to overcome big stuff and where we each were in that moment, it was so cool to just dive right into a serious personal convo after not seeing him for years.  Saw him with RNDM too, that was always cool, I love RNDM.  Or, loved, since they are clearly history now.

    But yeah, even with all that, I'll honor the fact that humans struggle and go through strange times and I feel for him that he's clearly going in some really self-damaging directions.  But as a fan, a realist, and someone who values common sense and people not making choices that can actually hurt or kill other people, I'm sick of watching this going-on-2-yr pandemic suck all the life out of our heroic healthcare workers and kill so many who either have compromised immunse systems or now are too young to get the vax (ZERO sympathy for those who can vax but choose not to and get sick).  So I vote with my attention and my dollars, or by withholding them.

    If I ever run into Joseph again, I'll be glad to see him. I'll also probably say "WTF man, are you still believing all that stuff?" and that might be the end of the convo right there, but at least it will be real. I won't be paying to see him or paying for his music anymore though.  Totally bummed it went this way, or that he went this way.

    Don't even get me started on Clapton, Van Morrison and wait, someone said "Waters" above, is Roger Waters now anti-vax?  I can totally imagine Clapton and Morrison (they both have histories of behavior that turns me off them as fans even if esp Van's music is so legendary).  But I will be broken hearted if you're telling me now that Roger Waters is on the anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti-mask crazy train?  Is that true?
  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 7,868
    JH6056 said:
    I lived in NYC in the Village in '98-'00 and I think that's when a friend who owned a lower east side venue called The Living Room told me about this amazing guy named Joseph Arthur I should see. I went many times to see him there and was blown away every time - this was when he was doing a huge part of his set with the layering of the live-to-recorded loops of music, like basically building songs right in front of us in real time.  He was SO talented, very easy to talk to.  I was even there the 1st time Peter Gabriel came to check him out to maybe sign him to his own record label.

    Have always shown up every 5 or so years at least since then to check him out.  By now I don't think he remembers me from that time specifically, but he knows I'm familiar.  Ran into him at Sea Hear Now in 2018 and we went straight to this really intense talk about recent struggles to overcome big stuff and where we each were in that moment, it was so cool to just dive right into a serious personal convo after not seeing him for years.  Saw him with RNDM too, that was always cool, I love RNDM.  Or, loved, since they are clearly history now.

    But yeah, even with all that, I'll honor the fact that humans struggle and go through strange times and I feel for him that he's clearly going in some really self-damaging directions.  But as a fan, a realist, and someone who values common sense and people not making choices that can actually hurt or kill other people, I'm sick of watching this going-on-2-yr pandemic suck all the life out of our heroic healthcare workers and kill so many who either have compromised immunse systems or now are too young to get the vax (ZERO sympathy for those who can vax but choose not to and get sick).  So I vote with my attention and my dollars, or by withholding them.

    If I ever run into Joseph again, I'll be glad to see him. I'll also probably say "WTF man, are you still believing all that stuff?" and that might be the end of the convo right there, but at least it will be real. I won't be paying to see him or paying for his music anymore though.  Totally bummed it went this way, or that he went this way.

    Don't even get me started on Clapton, Van Morrison and wait, someone said "Waters" above, is Roger Waters now anti-vax?  I can totally imagine Clapton and Morrison (they both have histories of behavior that turns me off them as fans even if esp Van's music is so legendary).  But I will be broken hearted if you're telling me now that Roger Waters is on the anti-vax, anti-lockdown, anti-mask crazy train?  Is that true?
    No...Waters reserves his conspiracy theories for Syria not vaccines. I could've thrown Morrissey in there too. Wasn't just talking about covid, but the idea of older artists being written off for their beliefs.
  • JH6056JH6056 Posts: 2,427
    Phew! I guess I agree with the things I've heard Waters talk about, and I haven't heard any I'd put under "Conspiracy Theory" from him yet so phew, glad I don't have to boycott him too!

    Morrissey, it's not even just his beliefs, it's his total disdain (apparently) for his fans.  It amazes me that some people will still run and buy tix to see him when he cancels, what, at least 1/3 of his shows?  No joke, just saw a headline in a music industry paper that said something like Morrissey is stepping in to headline a festival that NIN was supposed to headline but pulled out because of Delta Variant.  Headline said something like "NIN cancels, Morrissey stepping in to headline. Unclear who will step in for Morrissey" which I found hysterical because, yes, highly likely he won't play either. And it won't be because of the safety of his fans that he cancels.
  • goldrushgoldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,242
    A somewhat unexpected update on this project from Barrett:

    ”one of the last things Mark (Lanegan) and I worked on was I had him sequence this double album that I produced for Peter Buck, Rich Robinson and Joseph Arthur, and I’m in the band too – the record hasn’t come out yet, because of endless delays and the Black Crowes are releasing a new album – but someday it’ll come out and that’s Mark’s sequence. Because he loved the album, and none of us could figure out how to sequence it, so he sequenced it in Ireland and sent it back to me and I was like, “that’s perfect”. ”
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 7,868
    goldrush said:
    A somewhat unexpected update on this project from Barrett:

    ”one of the last things Mark (Lanegan) and I worked on was I had him sequence this double album that I produced for Peter Buck, Rich Robinson and Joseph Arthur, and I’m in the band too – the record hasn’t come out yet, because of endless delays and the Black Crowes are releasing a new album – but someday it’ll come out and that’s Mark’s sequence. Because he loved the album, and none of us could figure out how to sequence it, so he sequenced it in Ireland and sent it back to me and I was like, “that’s perfect”. ”
    It's......the Crowes album slowing things down?
  • goldrushgoldrush everybody knows this is nowhere Posts: 7,242
    pjl44 said:
    goldrush said:
    A somewhat unexpected update on this project from Barrett:

    ”one of the last things Mark (Lanegan) and I worked on was I had him sequence this double album that I produced for Peter Buck, Rich Robinson and Joseph Arthur, and I’m in the band too – the record hasn’t come out yet, because of endless delays and the Black Crowes are releasing a new album – but someday it’ll come out and that’s Mark’s sequence. Because he loved the album, and none of us could figure out how to sequence it, so he sequenced it in Ireland and sent it back to me and I was like, “that’s perfect”. ”
    It's......the Crowes album slowing things down?
    I thought Barrett was just implying that Rich has moved on from this and is prioritising the Crowes now. The initial delays were clearly due to Joseph going way off the reservation.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,185
    I’m not even slightly interested in these get togetherness bands! 
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  • pjl44pjl44 Posts: 7,868
    goldrush said:
    pjl44 said:
    goldrush said:
    A somewhat unexpected update on this project from Barrett:

    ”one of the last things Mark (Lanegan) and I worked on was I had him sequence this double album that I produced for Peter Buck, Rich Robinson and Joseph Arthur, and I’m in the band too – the record hasn’t come out yet, because of endless delays and the Black Crowes are releasing a new album – but someday it’ll come out and that’s Mark’s sequence. Because he loved the album, and none of us could figure out how to sequence it, so he sequenced it in Ireland and sent it back to me and I was like, “that’s perfect”. ”
    It's......the Crowes album slowing things down?
    I thought Barrett was just implying that Rich has moved on from this and is prioritising the Crowes now. The initial delays were clearly due to Joseph going way off the reservation.
    Did my periodic check in and seems he still isn't quite back yet. Would love to hear that record though.
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