POLL- The WEAKEST LINK: Rolling Stone Magazine's Top 10 Guitarist- ROUND 1

dankind

Eric Clapton

rgambs said:

dankind said:

tbergs said:

MedozK said:

I throw my 2 cents in on this one. This list is beyond messed up. There are great guitarist not on the list at all, and some on here for who knows the reason.

You mean Keith Richards

rgambs said:

Only Dankind could vote for Clapton in the first round lol

What a pud move 🤣🤣🤣

The average person, at the very least, knows 10 Keith riffs by heart. That's massive! You can probably hear them in your head right now while reading this. And, surprise, they might make you shake your tushy a little bit.

Now try Clapton. Other than his stuff with Cream (which had stellar rhythm section!) and the intro to "Layla," I cannot do this. His riffs are tired, his fills and solos pretty much chromatic when that's the time to step out of the box.

Well, yeah, there's zero doubt that Richards wins the songwriting contest over Clapton...easily...but if memorable riffs is the standard, doesn't Page win that contest?  It's hard to count how many Zeppelin riffs are firmly lodged in the zeitgeist, and Page comes WAY closer to mastery of the instrument.  Shouldn't something approaching mastery of the instrument be a requisite for top ten greatest? 
Clapton's fills and leads may not be the most unique, but Richards couldn't do them at half speed lol

KR more than a riffmeister. "Sister (Motherfucking) Morphine," Gabby!

Poncier

Eric Clapton

I'm with Dan on this one.
Never gotten the adoration of Clapton.
His stuff with Cream is good, but after that its just meh to me.

cutz

Keith Richards

Where's Robin Trower on that list?

rgambs

Keith Richards

cutz said:

Where's Robin Trower on that list?

I wonder where Frampton and Blackmore landed on the list too?

mrussel1

Pete Townshend

tbergs said:

MedozK said:

I throw my 2 cents in on this one. This list is beyond messed up. There are great guitarist not on the list at all, and some on here for who knows the reason.

You mean Keith Richards

Er...what?  Keith Richards has an amazing sense of groove and rhythm.  The songs he has wrote are just as good as anyone's on the list, and probably has more of them.  Is he as great of a pure player as Jimi?  No, but his song writing is just as good.  

SRV is an omission. 

dankind

Eric Clapton

rgambs said:

cutz said:

Where's Robin Trower on that list?

I wonder where Frampton and Blackmore landed on the list too?

Link to RS list in poll. 

mrussel1

Pete Townshend

F Me In The Brain said:

tbergs said:

Clapton secured himself as a grade A asshole recently, but his early work in the 60's and 70's still stands out even if he sucks as a person. 

He was an asshole then as well.     Many examples -- but I know this is not a Good Person List, it is a greatest guitarist list so totally get what you are saying.

Is this all about what  he said in 1976, for which he apologized profusely for, and has donated heavily into Rock Against Racism since?  Is there something else I'm missing here?

tbergs

Chuck Berry

mrussel1 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

tbergs said:

Clapton secured himself as a grade A asshole recently, but his early work in the 60's and 70's still stands out even if he sucks as a person. 

He was an asshole then as well.     Many examples -- but I know this is not a Good Person List, it is a greatest guitarist list so totally get what you are saying.

Is this all about what  he said in 1976, for which he apologized profusely for, and has donated heavily into Rock Against Racism since?  Is there something else I'm missing here?

He wrote that stupid anti-mask song recently.

tbergs

Chuck Berry

mrussel1 said:

tbergs said:

MedozK said:

I throw my 2 cents in on this one. This list is beyond messed up. There are great guitarist not on the list at all, and some on here for who knows the reason.

You mean Keith Richards

Er...what?  Keith Richards has an amazing sense of groove and rhythm.  The songs he has wrote are just as good as anyone's on the list, and probably has more of them.  Is he as great of a pure player as Jimi?  No, but his song writing is just as good.  

SRV is an omission. 

I get it, but he's not a standout player to me. Plenty of other guitarists that could be put ahead of him.

mrussel1

Pete Townshend

tbergs said:

mrussel1 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

tbergs said:

Clapton secured himself as a grade A asshole recently, but his early work in the 60's and 70's still stands out even if he sucks as a person. 

He was an asshole then as well.     Many examples -- but I know this is not a Good Person List, it is a greatest guitarist list so totally get what you are saying.

Is this all about what  he said in 1976, for which he apologized profusely for, and has donated heavily into Rock Against Racism since?  Is there something else I'm missing here?

He wrote that stupid anti-mask song recently.

Yeah him and Van Morrison.  But I don't think that makes him a racist or whatever.  Just a dummy in this case. 

mrussel1

Pete Townshend

tbergs said:

mrussel1 said:

tbergs said:

MedozK said:

I throw my 2 cents in on this one. This list is beyond messed up. There are great guitarist not on the list at all, and some on here for who knows the reason.

You mean Keith Richards

Er...what?  Keith Richards has an amazing sense of groove and rhythm.  The songs he has wrote are just as good as anyone's on the list, and probably has more of them.  Is he as great of a pure player as Jimi?  No, but his song writing is just as good.  

SRV is an omission. 

I get it, but he's not a standout player to me. Plenty of other guitarists that could be put ahead of him.

He's not a standout player, I'll agree, but he's an excellent player.  Yngwie Malmsteen is a standout player, but his writing sucks in my opinion.  I think it depends on what they are considering when calling someone a 'great' guitar player.  To me, the writing is the most important and the most unique talent.  

F Me In The Brain

Pete Townshend

tbergs said:

mrussel1 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

tbergs said:

Clapton secured himself as a grade A asshole recently, but his early work in the 60's and 70's still stands out even if he sucks as a person. 

He was an asshole then as well.     Many examples -- but I know this is not a Good Person List, it is a greatest guitarist list so totally get what you are saying.

Is this all about what  he said in 1976, for which he apologized profusely for, and has donated heavily into Rock Against Racism since?  Is there something else I'm missing here?

He wrote that stupid anti-mask song recently.

And that he wrote Layla about George Harrison's wife that he was trying to bang.
Oh yeah, and then the time(s) when he raped his wife.
https://apnews.com/article/314a3a689dd3e15ebbc8d567dfadb06f

He is a racist, raper, ani mask, piece of crap.

mickeyrat

Chuck Berry

guess I should take my leave of this place, piece of shit drunken addict that I am.

mrussel1

Pete Townshend

F Me In The Brain said:

tbergs said:

mrussel1 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

tbergs said:

Clapton secured himself as a grade A asshole recently, but his early work in the 60's and 70's still stands out even if he sucks as a person. 

He was an asshole then as well.     Many examples -- but I know this is not a Good Person List, it is a greatest guitarist list so totally get what you are saying.

Is this all about what  he said in 1976, for which he apologized profusely for, and has donated heavily into Rock Against Racism since?  Is there something else I'm missing here?

He wrote that stupid anti-mask song recently.

And that he wrote Layla about George Harrison's wife that he was trying to bang.
Oh yeah, and then the time(s) when he raped his wife.
https://apnews.com/article/314a3a689dd3e15ebbc8d567dfadb06f

He is a racist, raper, ani mask, piece of crap.

He ended up marrying Patty, and that shit happened all the time back then.  You can read about Mick and Keith's issues.  Regarding his addiction and mistake, I tend to believe in redemption and atonement. 

rgambs

Keith Richards

mrussel1 said:

tbergs said:

mrussel1 said:

tbergs said:

MedozK said:

I throw my 2 cents in on this one. This list is beyond messed up. There are great guitarist not on the list at all, and some on here for who knows the reason.

You mean Keith Richards

Er...what?  Keith Richards has an amazing sense of groove and rhythm.  The songs he has wrote are just as good as anyone's on the list, and probably has more of them.  Is he as great of a pure player as Jimi?  No, but his song writing is just as good.  

SRV is an omission. 

I get it, but he's not a standout player to me. Plenty of other guitarists that could be put ahead of him.

He's not a standout player, I'll agree, but he's an excellent player.  Yngwie Malmsteen is a standout player, but his writing sucks in my opinion.  I think it depends on what they are considering when calling someone a 'great' guitar player.  To me, the writing is the most important and the most unique talent.  

I do think it's a very important aspect, but even if you weigh it the heaviest he's still among the middle tier of these guitarists, isn't he?  Like I said to Dan, mastery of the instrument has to be a factor in determining the greatest player of said instrument, and Keith just falls well short of mastery.

F Me In The Brain

Pete Townshend

mrussel1 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

tbergs said:

mrussel1 said:

F Me In The Brain said:

tbergs said:

Clapton secured himself as a grade A asshole recently, but his early work in the 60's and 70's still stands out even if he sucks as a person. 

He was an asshole then as well.     Many examples -- but I know this is not a Good Person List, it is a greatest guitarist list so totally get what you are saying.

Is this all about what  he said in 1976, for which he apologized profusely for, and has donated heavily into Rock Against Racism since?  Is there something else I'm missing here?

He wrote that stupid anti-mask song recently.

And that he wrote Layla about George Harrison's wife that he was trying to bang.
Oh yeah, and then the time(s) when he raped his wife.
https://apnews.com/article/314a3a689dd3e15ebbc8d567dfadb06f

He is a racist, raper, ani mask, piece of crap.

He ended up marrying Patty, and that shit happened all the time back then.  You can read about Mick and Keith's issues.  Regarding his addiction and mistake, I tend to believe in redemption and atonement. 

The taking of sex by force and the racist behaviors are ok because he was an addict?

You can explain away the friends wife thing and the racist horrible person bs if you want.
We have different opinions on this.  Blaming drugs or alcohol doesn't excuse rape.  Ever.  

F Me In The Brain

Pete Townshend

mickeyrat said:

guess I should take my leave of this place, piece of shit drunken addict that I am.

Is your comment in response to my thinking Clapton is a dirtbag?
I don't mean to offend you - although if you took sex by force, ever, I would think the same of you.
That is not a stance vs. you, it is a stance vs rape.

mickeyrat

Chuck Berry

F Me In The Brain said:

mickeyrat said:

guess I should take my leave of this place, piece of shit drunken addict that I am.

Is your comment in response to my thinking Clapton is a dirtbag?
I don't mean to offend you - although if you took sex by force, ever, I would think the same of you.
That is not a stance vs. you, it is a stance vs rape.

do you believe if he was sober he would have done these things?

not as an excuse but an explanation of atrocious behavior?

certainly is responsible for and accountable to , as all addicts and alcoholics are but surely the substance abuse mitigates that somewhat?

mickeyrat

Chuck Berry

and there are a fair amount of blackout and brownout nights that have me still looking over my shoulder

F Me In The Brain

Pete Townshend

mickeyrat said:

F Me In The Brain said:

mickeyrat said:

guess I should take my leave of this place, piece of shit drunken addict that I am.

Is your comment in response to my thinking Clapton is a dirtbag?
I don't mean to offend you - although if you took sex by force, ever, I would think the same of you.
That is not a stance vs. you, it is a stance vs rape.

do you believe if he was sober he would have done these things?

not as an excuse but an explanation of atrocious behavior?

certainly is responsible for and accountable to , as all addicts and alcoholics are but surely the substance abuse mitigates that somewhat?

Sorry, this is a heavy conversation for the music poll.  I know this is a personal subject for you - as rape can be/is for others.  What you choose to forgive and look beyond in judging a person is a personal matter for you.
For myself, "I was drunk or high" doesn't mean I look past something like sexual abuse.  Does it color why they have have done what they did?  Yes, of course, I think that could be the case.
I've done lots of things while under the influence that I likely not have done sober.  That doesn't make them or any effects surrounding them go away, though.