guess I should take my leave of this place, piece of shit drunken addict that I am.
Is your comment in response to my thinking Clapton is a dirtbag? I don't mean to offend you - although if you took sex by force, ever, I would think the same of you. That is not a stance vs. you, it is a stance vs rape.
do you believe if he was sober he would have done these things?
not as an excuse but an explanation of atrocious behavior?
certainly is responsible for and accountable to , as all addicts and alcoholics are but surely the substance abuse mitigates that somewhat?
Sorry, this is a heavy conversation for the music poll. I know this is a personal subject for you - as rape can be/is for others. What you choose to forgive and look beyond in judging a person is a personal matter for you. For myself, "I was drunk or high" doesn't mean I look past something like sexual abuse. Does it color why they have have done what they did? Yes, of course, I think that could be the case. I've done lots of things while under the influence that I likely not have done sober. That doesn't make them or any effects surrounding them go away, though.
"as rape can be/is for others"
inferring I take it lightly.
little sister repeatedly molested 80-81. raped in 86. dead by suicide in 88.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I dont believe BB belongs on this list either. or at least not top ten.
I love BB to death. I've seen him quite a few times live, even when he was ailing a bit.
I want to disagree with you because of how much I love his style and influence. On the other hand, he played guitar all his damn life and never learned how to string together a few chords. That's hard to look past as someone who plays the guitar (and mostly chords at that ).
Then again, one could say that it's laudable that the guy had (and continues to have) a huge influence on the way the instrument is approached and appreciated, and he never even learned how to string a few chords together. That's how goddamn good he was at what he did!
I dont believe BB belongs on this list either. or at least not top ten.
I love BB to death. I've seen him quite a few times live, even when he was ailing a bit.
I want to disagree with you because of how much I love his style and influence. On the other hand, he played guitar all his damn life and never learned how to string together a few chords. That's hard to look past as someone who plays the guitar (and mostly chords at that ).
Then again, one could say that it's laudable that the guy had (and continues to have) a huge influence on the way the instrument is approached and appreciated, and he never even learned how to string a few chords together. That's how goddamn good he was at what he did!
saw him in st pete on the lawn of the vinoy hotel. good show. $5.... 93? 94?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I dont believe BB belongs on this list either. or at least not top ten.
I love BB to death. I've seen him quite a few times live, even when he was ailing a bit.
I want to disagree with you because of how much I love his style and influence. On the other hand, he played guitar all his damn life and never learned how to string together a few chords. That's hard to look past as someone who plays the guitar (and mostly chords at that ).
Then again, one could say that it's laudable that the guy had (and continues to have) a huge influence on the way the instrument is approached and appreciated, and he never even learned how to string a few chords together. That's how goddamn good he was at what he did!
saw him in st pete on the lawn of the vinoy hotel. good show. $5.... 93? 94?
I'd put buddy guy or muddy waters above bb
I was there! I think it was a little later because I was no longer in undergrad. Good times hanging at the Pier.
I dont believe BB belongs on this list either. or at least not top ten.
I love BB to death. I've seen him quite a few times live, even when he was ailing a bit.
I want to disagree with you because of how much I love his style and influence. On the other hand, he played guitar all his damn life and never learned how to string together a few chords. That's hard to look past as someone who plays the guitar (and mostly chords at that ).
Then again, one could say that it's laudable that the guy had (and continues to have) a huge influence on the way the instrument is approached and appreciated, and he never even learned how to string a few chords together. That's how goddamn good he was at what he did!
saw him in st pete on the lawn of the vinoy hotel. good show. $5.... 93? 94?
I'd put buddy guy or muddy waters above bb
I was there! I think it was a little later because I was no longer in undergrad. Good times hanging at the Pier.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I think Duane Allman could have been one of the greats. His early death limits his catalog, but his slide work on the whole Layla album is phenomenal. And of course the Fillmore shows are maybe some of the great live rock performances ever.
Someone I'll add also as I think he gets better every time I see him is John Dwyer from Thee Oh Sees. Dude has some serious sense of tone.
I'm not much of a fan, but I have to give him credit for playing well under the duress of having such a short guitar strap. If that thing was any shorter he would HAVE to play with his teeth!
Being a fan of Rodney on the ROQ and the Dead Kennedys as well as Dimascis I figured his style would fit nicely in for you? https://youtu.be/ENvavYYwFFc Try this song out Brian.
I would have picked Townsend though then Richards.
KR wrote memorable riffs? He admittedly stole everything from blues records!
Rhoads and Hendrix had short tenures on this mortal coil. Both are still in my top 3. And when I listen to them, they're easily number 1 at that moment.
Nothing stops me in my tracks and demands all of my attention like Frusciante, though. I basically just fucking space out like the "Desperado" weirdo on Seinfeld when I play Frusciante.
RE: Keith, you know Jimmy Page's nickname among his cohort, yes? Difference being that he will never own up to it.
I would have picked Townsend though then Richards.
KR wrote memorable riffs? He admittedly stole everything from blues records!
Rhoads and Hendrix had short tenures on this mortal coil. Both are still in my top 3. And when I listen to them, they're easily number 1 at that moment.
Nothing stops me in my tracks and demands all of my attention like Frusciante, though. I basically just fucking space out like the "Desperado" weirdo on Seinfeld when I play Frusciante.
RE: Keith, you know Jimmy Page's nickname among his cohort, yes? Difference being that he will never own up to it.
Hendrix, unlike Allman had a completely different type of sound.
Allman could play just like Randy could play but they didn't offer anything truly different like say EVH and Morello did. I keep on forgetting to mention Les Paul. If not for him no one would have been playing these 'electric twangers'.
I would have picked Townsend though then Richards.
KR wrote memorable riffs? He admittedly stole everything from blues records!
Rhoads and Hendrix had short tenures on this mortal coil. Both are still in my top 3. And when I listen to them, they're easily number 1 at that moment.
Nothing stops me in my tracks and demands all of my attention like Frusciante, though. I basically just fucking space out like the "Desperado" weirdo on Seinfeld when I play Frusciante.
RE: Keith, you know Jimmy Page's nickname among his cohort, yes? Difference being that he will never own up to it.
Hendrix, unlike Allman had a completely different type of sound.
Allman could play just like Randy could play but they didn't offer anything truly different like say EVH and Morello did. I keep on forgetting to mention Les Paul. If not for him no one would have been playing these 'electric twangers'.
You're so wrong about Rhoads. But that's OK, you're wrong about so much.
Saw Les Paul every chance I got when I lived in NYC. Every birthday show, for sure! Crazy who would show up to jam at those things.
I remember Slash being an absolute beast at one and my wife being upset that she skipped the show. (Slash is her favorite guitarist/sex fantasy.)
If there's video out there of these shows, check them out.
I would have picked Townsend though then Richards.
KR wrote memorable riffs? He admittedly stole everything from blues records!
Rhoads and Hendrix had short tenures on this mortal coil. Both are still in my top 3. And when I listen to them, they're easily number 1 at that moment.
Nothing stops me in my tracks and demands all of my attention like Frusciante, though. I basically just fucking space out like the "Desperado" weirdo on Seinfeld when I play Frusciante.
RE: Keith, you know Jimmy Page's nickname among his cohort, yes? Difference being that he will never own up to it.
Hendrix, unlike Allman had a completely different type of sound.
Allman could play just like Randy could play but they didn't offer anything truly different like say EVH and Morello did. I keep on forgetting to mention Les Paul. If not for him no one would have been playing these 'electric twangers'.
You're so wrong about Rhoads. But that's OK, you're wrong about so much.
Saw Les Paul every chance I got when I lived in NYC. Every birthday show, for sure! Crazy who would show up to jam at those things.
I remember Slash being an absolute beast at one and my wife being upset that she skipped the show. (Slash is her favorite guitarist/sex fantasy.)
If there's video out there of these shows, check them out.
I had just started to make more frequent rtrips back to NY and found out that I could see Les Paul on the Tuesday or whatever day it was that he played. I went to purchase a ticket and he had passed that day. I was mortified as I was so excited to see him in person... I am jealous of you.
Not sure what Randy figured out on the geetar that was so different aside from everyone else? His style differed but they were things that everyone already did and his work was very short unfortunately too. I think his death makes him better. I always looked at Chris Holmes from WASP as someone whom molded himself after Rhoads.
I would have picked Townsend though then Richards.
KR wrote memorable riffs? He admittedly stole everything from blues records!
Rhoads and Hendrix had short tenures on this mortal coil. Both are still in my top 3. And when I listen to them, they're easily number 1 at that moment.
Nothing stops me in my tracks and demands all of my attention like Frusciante, though. I basically just fucking space out like the "Desperado" weirdo on Seinfeld when I play Frusciante.
RE: Keith, you know Jimmy Page's nickname among his cohort, yes? Difference being that he will never own up to it.
Hendrix, unlike Allman had a completely different type of sound.
Allman could play just like Randy could play but they didn't offer anything truly different like say EVH and Morello did. I keep on forgetting to mention Les Paul. If not for him no one would have been playing these 'electric twangers'.
You're so wrong about Rhoads. But that's OK, you're wrong about so much.
Saw Les Paul every chance I got when I lived in NYC. Every birthday show, for sure! Crazy who would show up to jam at those things.
I remember Slash being an absolute beast at one and my wife being upset that she skipped the show. (Slash is her favorite guitarist/sex fantasy.)
If there's video out there of these shows, check them out.
I had just started to make more frequent rtrips back to NY and found out that I could see Les Paul on the Tuesday or whatever day it was that he played. I went to purchase a ticket and he had passed that day. I was mortified as I was so excited to see him in person... I am jealous of you.
Not sure what Randy figured out on the geetar that was so different aside from everyone else? His style differed but they were things that everyone already did and his work was very short unfortunately too. I think his death makes him better. I always looked at Chris Holmes from WASP as someone whom molded himself after Rhoads.
I would have picked Townsend though then Richards.
KR wrote memorable riffs? He admittedly stole everything from blues records!
Rhoads and Hendrix had short tenures on this mortal coil. Both are still in my top 3. And when I listen to them, they're easily number 1 at that moment.
Nothing stops me in my tracks and demands all of my attention like Frusciante, though. I basically just fucking space out like the "Desperado" weirdo on Seinfeld when I play Frusciante.
RE: Keith, you know Jimmy Page's nickname among his cohort, yes? Difference being that he will never own up to it.
Hendrix, unlike Allman had a completely different type of sound.
Allman could play just like Randy could play but they didn't offer anything truly different like say EVH and Morello did. I keep on forgetting to mention Les Paul. If not for him no one would have been playing these 'electric twangers'.
You're so wrong about Rhoads. But that's OK, you're wrong about so much.
Saw Les Paul every chance I got when I lived in NYC. Every birthday show, for sure! Crazy who would show up to jam at those things.
I remember Slash being an absolute beast at one and my wife being upset that she skipped the show. (Slash is her favorite guitarist/sex fantasy.)
If there's video out there of these shows, check them out.
I had just started to make more frequent rtrips back to NY and found out that I could see Les Paul on the Tuesday or whatever day it was that he played. I went to purchase a ticket and he had passed that day. I was mortified as I was so excited to see him in person... I am jealous of you.
Not sure what Randy figured out on the geetar that was so different aside from everyone else? His style differed but they were things that everyone already did and his work was very short unfortunately too. I think his death makes him better. I always looked at Chris Holmes from WASP as someone whom molded himself after Rhoads.
Both men loved their mothers.
That scene from Decline 2 (metal years) with Chris Holmes, his mom, a pool, and a bottle of vodka....it doesn't get more rock and roll.
I would have picked Townsend though then Richards.
KR wrote memorable riffs? He admittedly stole everything from blues records!
Rhoads and Hendrix had short tenures on this mortal coil. Both are still in my top 3. And when I listen to them, they're easily number 1 at that moment.
Nothing stops me in my tracks and demands all of my attention like Frusciante, though. I basically just fucking space out like the "Desperado" weirdo on Seinfeld when I play Frusciante.
RE: Keith, you know Jimmy Page's nickname among his cohort, yes? Difference being that he will never own up to it.
Hendrix, unlike Allman had a completely different type of sound.
Allman could play just like Randy could play but they didn't offer anything truly different like say EVH and Morello did. I keep on forgetting to mention Les Paul. If not for him no one would have been playing these 'electric twangers'.
Allman on slide was pretty innovative and groundbreaking though.
I would have picked Townsend though then Richards.
KR wrote memorable riffs? He admittedly stole everything from blues records!
Rhoads and Hendrix had short tenures on this mortal coil. Both are still in my top 3. And when I listen to them, they're easily number 1 at that moment.
Nothing stops me in my tracks and demands all of my attention like Frusciante, though. I basically just fucking space out like the "Desperado" weirdo on Seinfeld when I play Frusciante.
RE: Keith, you know Jimmy Page's nickname among his cohort, yes? Difference being that he will never own up to it.
Yeah but show me something KR has done that exceeds bar-band level? Dude doesn't shred. Page shreds. And then there's songs like Over the Hills and Far Away and The Rain Song...there's no plagiarism there lol
Someone I'll add also as I think he gets better every time I see him is John Dwyer from Thee Oh Sees. Dude has some serious sense of tone.
I'm not much of a fan, but I have to give him credit for playing well under the duress of having such a short guitar strap. If that thing was any shorter he would HAVE to play with his teeth!
Being a fan of Rodney on the ROQ and the Dead Kennedys as well as Dimascis I figured his style would fit nicely in for you? https://youtu.be/ENvavYYwFFc Try this song out Brian.
Like they say, "There's no accounting for taste" haha! Nope, just not a fan.
Re. the thread as a whole, this is quite the vigorous discussion so far. Not surprising though because we fan of guitar music are almost always biased. For example, my quick reply to "Who is the greatest guitar player" is always Jimi Hendrix. But was he really? When I really think about it, my response is at least partly biased from having seen Jimi and much of what made him exciting to see was his stage presence. But I sometimes wonder if he could have been a better guitar player. Bill Graham saw that potential in Jimi and chided him for his stage antics and encouraged him to knock that shit off and just play. And the result? "Machine Gun"! Watching that performance with Jimi completely immersed in playing with no fooling around, his full brilliance is revealed. That's a truly masterful performance sans teeth.
So how much of what leads us to vote in a certain way is based on subjective bias? It's hard to strip away those extraneous biases.
Also, what should be considered in called a guitar player "the best"?
Technical prowess? That might well be Alan Holdsworth who has yet to be mentioned here. Or Pat Metheny- Has he been mentioned?
Most complex? Andres Segovia?
Ability to perform well in multiple styles of music? Could that be Glen Campbell?
Influence on music that followed? Robert Johnson? Jimi Hendrix?
Tough call!
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Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I'll go fuck off now.
(Clapton is still a scuzz)
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
I want to disagree with you because of how much I love his style and influence. On the other hand, he played guitar all his damn life and never learned how to string together a few chords. That's hard to look past as someone who plays the guitar (and mostly chords at that
Then again, one could say that it's laudable that the guy had (and continues to have) a huge influence on the way the instrument is approached and appreciated, and he never even learned how to string a few chords together. That's how goddamn good he was at what he did!
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
94. saw pj at bayfront arena that year too.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
1) Page
2) Gilmour
3) Young
My top 3
1) Frusciante
2) Hendrix
3) Rhoads
1 & 3 are/were amazing...I like those additions!
I would have picked Townsend though then Richards.
KR wrote memorable riffs? He admittedly stole everything from blues records!
Nothing stops me in my tracks and demands all of my attention like Frusciante, though. I basically just fucking space out like the "Desperado" weirdo on Seinfeld when I play Frusciante.
RE: Keith, you know Jimmy Page's nickname among his cohort, yes? Difference being that he will never own up to it.
Allman could play just like Randy could play but they didn't offer anything truly different like say EVH and Morello did. I keep on forgetting to mention Les Paul. If not for him no one would have been playing these 'electric twangers'.
Saw Les Paul every chance I got when I lived in NYC. Every birthday show, for sure! Crazy who would show up to jam at those things.
I remember Slash being an absolute beast at one and my wife being upset that she skipped the show. (Slash is her favorite guitarist/sex fantasy.)
If there's video out there of these shows, check them out.
Not sure what Randy figured out on the geetar that was so different aside from everyone else? His style differed but they were things that everyone already did and his work was very short unfortunately too. I think his death makes him better. I always looked at Chris Holmes from WASP as someone whom molded himself after Rhoads.
And then there's songs like Over the Hills and Far Away and The Rain Song...there's no plagiarism there lol