I don’t know if this is related, but the world is having a global shortage of plastic right now. We are having a hell of a time in the automotive industry. Approving alternate materials and alternate suppliers every day lately.
I don’t know if this is related, but the world is having a global shortage of plastic right now. We are having a hell of a time in the automotive industry. Approving alternate materials and alternate suppliers every day lately.
PVC shortage too? On top of the lacquer factory burning down last year and plant backlogs? Disastrous time for the record industry right now.
Looking at the Hoffman forums, I'm not seeing any threads about PVC shortage.
But this is clearly delayed because its taking at least 6 months+ to get a record pressed now. This is a quadruple set, right? So its gonna take longer. Plus, if its pressed in Europe, its most likely gonna ship by sea.
I though they were using the local pressing plant that is run by the owner of TKO?
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I didnt know much about lathe cutting, but they are made 1 at a time in real time, right? Pretty much made for small batches of a few huindred or less. Seems like that would be a waste of time to be doing it in real time for thousands of records. Maybe thats whats taking so long.
I didnt know much about lathe cutting, but they are made 1 at a time in real time, right? Pretty much made for small batches of a few huindred or less. Seems like that would be a waste of time to be doing it in real time for thousands of records. Maybe thats whats taking so long.
If that’s what it is, or anything similar then I see no reason why 10C wouldn’t communicate it. They took the time to answer in detail about why one of the poster tubes had a red S on it and went into detail about how posters and rolled, taped, shipped. The lack of communication for the singles just leads to a suspicion that it’s something else
I didn't know much about lathe cutting, but they are made 1 at a time in real time, right? Pretty much made for small batches of a few hundred or less. Seems like that would be a waste of time to be doing it in real time for thousands of records. Maybe thats whats taking so long.
basically, you play the song and it cuts as it plays. FOR EVERY SIDE. So if there are 10,000 members getting this, and the four songs are 15 minutes (lets back of the envelope add 5 minutes to flip the record, change the songs, reset the lathe, basically resetting everything), its gonna take 3,333 hours to cut those. Lets say they have 8 hour work days cutting, thats 417 days to cut all 100,000 copies.
that doesn't include lunches or vacation days or holidays or covid. And I don't even know if those membership numbers are correct or how long it actually takes to reset the lathe.
Now I don't think they are doing that, I'm just saying there are too many unknowns here so we can't really assume that much when figuring out how this process has been going since we got that update in November or whatever.
In all honesty, its possible they didn't order/get enough and we may still be waiting on plants to deliver more and with a massive lead time in production from a press plant, its possible these are delayed because they want to ship them all out at once once everything is done and waiting for more records means they aren't done.
But then you have the "in house" production aspect of it...
Regardless. People ask questions, but we won't get answers. Don't expect that to change. They arrive when they arrive.
At the end of the day we all die and our families are just gonna throw these away. So stop supporting the club if you are pissed at them. Thats the only power you truly have.
In all honesty, its possible they didn't order/get enough and we may still be waiting on plants to deliver more and with a massive lead time in production from a press plant, its possible these are delayed because they want to ship them all out at once once everything is done and waiting for more records means they aren't done.
But then you have the "in house" production aspect of it...
Regardless. People ask questions, but we won't get answers. Don't expect that to change. They arrive when they arrive.
At the end of the day we all die and our families are just gonna throw these away. So stop supporting the club if you are pissed at them. Thats the only power you truly have.
Neil young has mentioned the delays but has still managed to release 6 albums (including box sets) in the last several months 🤷♂️
jokes asie, he was saying all last year that this year was gonna be massive for releases. He's planned ahead and he's still planning hard. He may lose a few weeks here and there, but I bet they have the next 2 years of archives pencilled in. So queueing up at a pressing plant won't be that hard for his crew.
jokes asie, he was saying all last year that this year was gonna be massive for releases. He's planned ahead and he's still planning hard. He may lose a few weeks here and there, but I bet they have the next 2 years of archives pencilled in. So queueing up at a pressing plant won't be that hard for his crew.
He does plan things out, but he also changes his mind quite often. Rust Bucket was just discovered last year and he bumped it to the front of the line for release.
You didn't hear? In a new green effort, the Moline sets are made from pressed toilet paper, hence the impossibility of it being produced expeditiously
We are still in a pandemic folks, nothing is running on normal time. Remember all those interest free loans we have given TM? Let us all just be patient.
jokes asie, he was saying all last year that this year was gonna be massive for releases. He's planned ahead and he's still planning hard. He may lose a few weeks here and there, but I bet they have the next 2 years of archives pencilled in. So queueing up at a pressing plant won't be that hard for his crew.
He does plan things out, but he also changes his mind quite often. Rust Bucket was just discovered last year and he bumped it to the front of the line for release.
True. But he planned it more than six months out which is (was?) the window for production on vinyl.
jokes asie, he was saying all last year that this year was gonna be massive for releases. He's planned ahead and he's still planning hard. He may lose a few weeks here and there, but I bet they have the next 2 years of archives pencilled in. So queueing up at a pressing plant won't be that hard for his crew.
He does plan things out, but he also changes his mind quite often. Rust Bucket was just discovered last year and he bumped it to the front of the line for release.
True. But he planned it more than six months out which is (was?) the window for production on vinyl.
Whole thing is odd...jeff wrote, recorded, mastered, mixed, designed, pressed, and delivered an ep in a few months DURING the pandemic. Moline has been in the pipe line for close to a year at this point.
Well, they probably don't order copies until they have a good idea on the demand or at least have what they consider 90% of the orders in. I'm guessing it wasn't even submitted for pressing before Oct/Nov. Which puts us at the 6 month mark now ish.
But yeah, the Jeff 7" shows that stuff can get through. But the 6 month window didn't really start until September. And a 7" run was much smaller than a normal PJ record, even a 7".
I'm not trying to push back on everything, I'm just saying there are so many factors at play here and so many variables while things seem to change month to month in the vinyl industry. And I get that people have PTSD from the holiday singles, but nothing looks out of line on Moline just yet.
Musicglue who do the merch side of the UK store have emailed to say pushed back to 31st March so not much of a delay. Im pretty sure that although recent vaults have been pressed at different plants some of the manufacturing is shared. I had both the EU pressing and US pressing of the last vaults and the sleeves looked identical to the point they looked like they were made in the same place. I imagine US copies are going to start shipping around the same time.
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But this is clearly delayed because its taking at least 6 months+ to get a record pressed now. This is a quadruple set, right? So its gonna take longer. Plus, if its pressed in Europe, its most likely gonna ship by sea.
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that doesn't include lunches or vacation days or holidays or covid. And I don't even know if those membership numbers are correct or how long it actually takes to reset the lathe.
Now I don't think they are doing that, I'm just saying there are too many unknowns here so we can't really assume that much when figuring out how this process has been going since we got that update in November or whatever.
But then you have the "in house" production aspect of it...
Regardless. People ask questions, but we won't get answers. Don't expect that to change. They arrive when they arrive.
At the end of the day we all die and our families are just gonna throw these away. So stop supporting the club if you are pissed at them. Thats the only power you truly have.
We are still in a pandemic folks, nothing is running on normal time. Remember all those interest free loans we have given TM? Let us all just be patient.
But yeah, the Jeff 7" shows that stuff can get through. But the 6 month window didn't really start until September. And a 7" run was much smaller than a normal PJ record, even a 7".
I'm not trying to push back on everything, I'm just saying there are so many factors at play here and so many variables while things seem to change month to month in the vinyl industry. And I get that people have PTSD from the holiday singles, but nothing looks out of line on Moline just yet.