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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,831
    edited March 2024
    Part of my view has been the result of my experiences. Some of it depends on the state or school district. But in many cases you can't show a PG movie in middle school or a PG-13 in high school without parent consent. Teachers have been told to not say "Merry Christmas" or even "Happy Halloween" because that might be offensive to kids who can't afford a costume. While you can teach religion from a historical perspective, you would never dare say something like "Jesus loves you." I've been told to not even have an image of a Christmas tree, and if I want to decorate my room for the holidays, stick to snowflakes and snowmen. On year, on the day before spring break, I asked the class a trivia question and asked if anyone knew why the day Easter falls on seems so random, then informed them it on the first day after the first full moon in spring (I never mentioned Jesus or Christianity). Afterwards I had a Muslim student tell me she was upset that I even used the word Easter in class and I was seriously concerned that she was going to complain to her parents and I would be reprimanded. I never heard anything, so I assume she never complained to her parents. But the fact we are trained to be so sensitive to that and that I was concerned is telling. I've been told not to let students know who I voted for who which party I belong to, because a student might be offended if their parents vote differently. We can't discuss mental health without parent consent. 
    Most of the above were not individual reminders, but reminders given to the whole school during the holiday or election seasons.
    So to come from that, then see people fight to keep books that are intended for a more mature audience is ironic to me. We try so hard to protect kids in some areas, then ignore others. There doesn't seem like there is a balance to me in what we protect students from. School admin are too afraid to let a student see a picture of a Christmas tree out of fear they'll be offended, but they can read about graphic rape scenes meant for an adult audience. There is an imbalance of what we sensor. 
    Like I said before, I completely disagree with the tactic he used. But why do books that graphic need to be in schools though when there's so much else we protect them from?
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,198
    mace1229 said:
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    pretty sure her objection to this as was shared above is in the fact her name was inserted into the text being read. that there should have be some measure of decorum in general or by rule in that chamber.

    so you tell me, what fucking point was there to insert the name of someone present in that chamber into the recitation of a fictional story? why was that act germaine to the broader point attempting to be made?

    one thing we dont know is what the school this book was found in? HS? Middle School?  Hard pressed to believe it was available to elementary level students.

    I dare Mace to read such a story at his workplace and insert the name of a female colleague and see what happens.


    if mace works in a red district, they may nominate him for congress...
    So I can count on you for your vote?
    no. i'd be dead before i ever vote red.
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  • Parksy
    Parksy Posts: 1,852
    mace1229 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
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    tempo_n_groove said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Parksy said:
    I'm somewhat following an interesting... albeit disturbing ... story out of Nebraska whereby a male republican State Senator named Steve Halloran (doosh) verbally cited a book he didn't agree with because it was being shared in schools and it depicted a woman being raped.  He read a rape scene out loud in session and kept on adding the name of a democrat female colleague who happened to be against book banning and for LGBTQ rights etc.    I watching the video... it's pretty fucked. 

    The response has been as expected... people wanting the male senator to resign etc and the senator not resigning. 

    One of the responses from a different Senator in the chamber.... I find so very intriguing... is this... 

    Her name is Machaela Cavanaugh and she said this in response:

    "I believe in the freedom of speech and I know that the speech on this floor is protected speech. (RE: Halloran's reading of the rape scene with the other Senator's name in it)  But it is misguided to think that there is a same thing between  appropriate speech and protected speech... but no, it is not appropriate.. and no it should not be tolerated. And to Senator Salma's point, we should have a mechanism to address inappropriate speech but we don't and we have failed ourselves. And we have failed Nebraska in that point."

    This reminds me of people who say "I'm no racist, however..."  and then proceed to say something racist. 

    I believe in Free Speech. 
    What he said is protected speech. 
    But it shouldn't be tolerated and we should be able to punish him for it.

    (???) 

    I don't disagree with her... by any means.  But what she is saying here is an example of how we as a society blur the lines of all of our "freedoms."  

    Freedom of Speech in many ways by legal precedence is actually Freedom of Limited Speech.  Which ... by some definitions is not Freedom of Speech at all. Fascinating. 



    Would you agree that freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences of said speech?

    the State senator doing the reading was,  to me , reading a rape fantasy, which included a colleague by name and that to me is out of bounds.
    Then the book should be out of bounds too.

    You can't pick and choose what is or isn't out of bounds but people can vote them out for saying stupid shit.

    oh so official legislative sessions , national or state should be a fucking free for all?

    no. I demand a higher standard of conduct from elected officials engaged in official business,  on the record.
    Unfortunately that cat was let out of the bag a long time ago.

    I agree with you that our elected leaders should have more couth but that's not happening.

    I do hate when people toe the line of free speech and use it in less than genuine ways.

    so bravo to her for calling it out,  because that what was said, there are no rules of decorum in that specific body..... and there should be.
    now I think she should file sexual harassment civil suit.

    In doing that wouldn't you be agreeing that the book has no merit then?
    I was thinking the same thing. They are kind of proving his point, if an adult is being sexual harassed by having this book read to her, maybe it shouldn't be part of the school curriculum? My guess is there will be future lawsuits for harassing students forcing them to read this book if this goes through.

    Now, I don't necessarily agree with his strategy, but it's kind of hard to argue against his point. 
    It wasn't that the book was being read... the fellow inputted another senator's name into the words repeatedly and seemingly maliciously.  Super creepy. 

    It would be like reading the lyrics of NIN's Closer.... but adding a person's name. 

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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,368
    Are there enough Tim’s? Whatever will they do for their cofeve? So much for “free market,” eh?

    MAGA fans call for boycott of Dunkin Donuts: ‘The Bud Lite treatment’

    Rumble CEO claims Dunkin’ Donuts declined to advertise on site because ‘polarizing’ right-wing culturehttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/maga-donald-trump-dunkin-donuts-b2593980.html

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  • tempo_n_groove
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Are there enough Tim’s? Whatever will they do for their cofeve? So much for “free market,” eh?

    MAGA fans call for boycott of Dunkin Donuts: ‘The Bud Lite treatment’

    Rumble CEO claims Dunkin’ Donuts declined to advertise on site because ‘polarizing’ right-wing culturehttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/maga-donald-trump-dunkin-donuts-b2593980.html

    Time for a Boston crème!!!
  • cblock4life
    cblock4life Posts: 1,855
    Beer and donuts…..perfectly defines the mentality of what MAGA worries about.  
  • mickeyrat
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    might need to look this study up. on the surface seems true from what I've seen in others and what I look to guard against in myself.

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  • Choccoloccotide
    Choccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,235
    mickeyrat said:
    might need to look this study up. on the surface seems true from what I've seen in others and what I look to guard against in myself.

    Democrats and the old GOP (uniparty) are the party of the elites, most billionaires, Hollywood, corporate media, govt bureaucracy and the intel agencies. MAGA is fighting back against the establishment and winning.
  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,610
    When Donald Trump and Elon Musk are telling us we’re going to have to endure some difficult times in order to Make America Great, you might want to rethink which is the party of billionaires.
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  • Hawk123
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    OnWis97 said:
    When Donald Trump and Elon Musk are telling us we’re going to have to endure some difficult times in order to Make America Great, you might want to rethink which is the party of billionaires.
    Don’t you just love when billionaires tell you to endure hard times while the exact opposite applies to them. 

    These morons choose to turn a blind eye to shitty, criminal behavior and voted in Trump because they were ignorant enough to believe that lower prices and lower taxes were coming day one. Trump doesn’t give a shit about anyone but himself and anyone that can benefit him and that will come at the expense of the American people and in many cases, their close allies and trading partners. What are people going to say when prices go back up after all the work was done to fight inflation? The hard times have already been felt and were on the way out but the orange clown will bring them right back. 
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Choccoloccotide said:
    mickeyrat said:
    might need to look this study up. on the surface seems true from what I've seen in others and what I look to guard against in myself.

    Democrats and the old GOP (uniparty) are the party of the elites, most billionaires, Hollywood, corporate media, govt bureaucracy and the intel agencies. MAGA is fighting back against the establishment and winning.
    MAGA is fighting back against the establishment? You mean the MAGA with a “billionaire” POOTWH at the helm, who appointed a billionaire to be commerce secretary, a billionaire to be treasury secretary, a billionaire to be education secretary for a department slated for elimination, and two billionaires to head up DOGE. That MAGA is taking on “the establishment” and “winning?”

    How dislocated from reality are you?
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  • Choccoloccotide
    Choccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,235
    edited November 2024
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    mickeyrat said:
    might need to look this study up. on the surface seems true from what I've seen in others and what I look to guard against in myself.

    Democrats and the old GOP (uniparty) are the party of the elites, most billionaires, Hollywood, corporate media, govt bureaucracy and the intel agencies. MAGA is fighting back against the establishment and winning.
    MAGA is fighting back against the establishment? You mean the MAGA with a “billionaire” POOTWH at the helm, who appointed a billionaire to be commerce secretary, a billionaire to be treasury secretary, a billionaire to be education secretary for a department slated for elimination, and two billionaires to head up DOGE. That MAGA is taking on “the establishment” and “winning?”

    How dislocated from reality are you?

    Does this mean we’re not going be ticket buddies for the 2025 tour?
  • Hawk123
    Hawk123 Posts: 2,368
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    mickeyrat said:
    might need to look this study up. on the surface seems true from what I've seen in others and what I look to guard against in myself.

    Democrats and the old GOP (uniparty) are the party of the elites, most billionaires, Hollywood, corporate media, govt bureaucracy and the intel agencies. MAGA is fighting back against the establishment and winning.
    MAGA is fighting back against the establishment? You mean the MAGA with a “billionaire” POOTWH at the helm, who appointed a billionaire to be commerce secretary, a billionaire to be treasury secretary, a billionaire to be education secretary for a department slated for elimination, and two billionaires to head up DOGE. That MAGA is taking on “the establishment” and “winning?”

    How dislocated from reality are you?

    Does this mean we’re not going be ticket buddies for the 2025 tour?
    If you’re such a proud MAGA, let’s see you wear your MAGA hat to one of the shows. 
  • Choccoloccotide
    Choccoloccotide A grass shack nailed to a pinewood floor Posts: 1,235
    Hawk123 said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    mickeyrat said:
    might need to look this study up. on the surface seems true from what I've seen in others and what I look to guard against in myself.

    Democrats and the old GOP (uniparty) are the party of the elites, most billionaires, Hollywood, corporate media, govt bureaucracy and the intel agencies. MAGA is fighting back against the establishment and winning.
    MAGA is fighting back against the establishment? You mean the MAGA with a “billionaire” POOTWH at the helm, who appointed a billionaire to be commerce secretary, a billionaire to be treasury secretary, a billionaire to be education secretary for a department slated for elimination, and two billionaires to head up DOGE. That MAGA is taking on “the establishment” and “winning?”

    How dislocated from reality are you?

    Does this mean we’re not going be ticket buddies for the 2025 tour?
    If you’re such a proud MAGA, let’s see you wear your MAGA hat to one of the shows. 
    Should I be worried about wearing a MAGA hat at a show?  Will I be attacked for my 1st amendment right?  Is this what you’re insinuating?  Not a good look for you Hawk.
  • Hawk123
    Hawk123 Posts: 2,368
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Hawk123 said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    mickeyrat said:
    might need to look this study up. on the surface seems true from what I've seen in others and what I look to guard against in myself.

    Democrats and the old GOP (uniparty) are the party of the elites, most billionaires, Hollywood, corporate media, govt bureaucracy and the intel agencies. MAGA is fighting back against the establishment and winning.
    MAGA is fighting back against the establishment? You mean the MAGA with a “billionaire” POOTWH at the helm, who appointed a billionaire to be commerce secretary, a billionaire to be treasury secretary, a billionaire to be education secretary for a department slated for elimination, and two billionaires to head up DOGE. That MAGA is taking on “the establishment” and “winning?”

    How dislocated from reality are you?

    Does this mean we’re not going be ticket buddies for the 2025 tour?
    If you’re such a proud MAGA, let’s see you wear your MAGA hat to one of the shows. 
    Should I be worried about wearing a MAGA hat at a show?  Will I be attacked for my 1st amendment right?  Is this what you’re insinuating?  Not a good look for you Hawk.
    Not at all since we’re not filled with hate, vitriol and don’t storm capital buildings to kill police officers. Just consider it like you’re wearing the opposing teams hat in the home teams arena. Just shows how loyal you are to your team.  
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,368
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    mickeyrat said:
    might need to look this study up. on the surface seems true from what I've seen in others and what I look to guard against in myself.

    Democrats and the old GOP (uniparty) are the party of the elites, most billionaires, Hollywood, corporate media, govt bureaucracy and the intel agencies. MAGA is fighting back against the establishment and winning.
    MAGA is fighting back against the establishment? You mean the MAGA with a “billionaire” POOTWH at the helm, who appointed a billionaire to be commerce secretary, a billionaire to be treasury secretary, a billionaire to be education secretary for a department slated for elimination, and two billionaires to head up DOGE. That MAGA is taking on “the establishment” and “winning?”

    How dislocated from reality are you?

    Does this mean we’re not going be ticket buddies for the 2025 tour?
    Seemingly pretty far, huh?
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,474
    OnWis97 said:
    When Donald Trump and Elon Musk are telling us we’re going to have to endure some difficult times in order to Make America Great, you might want to rethink which is the party of billionaires.
    Is this taken out of context?  I need to read this crap...
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,684
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Hawk123 said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Choccoloccotide said:
    mickeyrat said:
    might need to look this study up. on the surface seems true from what I've seen in others and what I look to guard against in myself.

    Democrats and the old GOP (uniparty) are the party of the elites, most billionaires, Hollywood, corporate media, govt bureaucracy and the intel agencies. MAGA is fighting back against the establishment and winning.
    MAGA is fighting back against the establishment? You mean the MAGA with a “billionaire” POOTWH at the helm, who appointed a billionaire to be commerce secretary, a billionaire to be treasury secretary, a billionaire to be education secretary for a department slated for elimination, and two billionaires to head up DOGE. That MAGA is taking on “the establishment” and “winning?”

    How dislocated from reality are you?

    Does this mean we’re not going be ticket buddies for the 2025 tour?
    If you’re such a proud MAGA, let’s see you wear your MAGA hat to one of the shows. 
    Should I be worried about wearing a MAGA hat at a show?  Will I be attacked for my 1st amendment right?  Is this what you’re insinuating?  Not a good look for you Hawk.
    I say wear it proudly why wouldn’t you? Plus it’s easy to see and most of us who wouldn’t be caught dead wearing that hat let alone any hat promoting a politicians can at least move away from you casually! 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,684
    tempo_n_groove said:
    OnWis97 said:
    When Donald Trump and Elon Musk are telling us we’re going to have to endure some difficult times in order to Make America Great, you might want to rethink which is the party of billionaires.
    Is this taken out of context?  I need to read this crap...
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-warns-hardship-americans-163015991.html
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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,474
    josevolution said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    OnWis97 said:
    When Donald Trump and Elon Musk are telling us we’re going to have to endure some difficult times in order to Make America Great, you might want to rethink which is the party of billionaires.
    Is this taken out of context?  I need to read this crap...
    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-warns-hardship-americans-163015991.html
    TY Jose!

    OK this is part of the trimming the fat that Musk was speaking of.

    Something I never understood is why the US doesn't find a way to make money.  We are very good at spending it.

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