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The 14th Amendment is How to Force Removal and Disqualification of Trump

Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,041
edited January 10 in A Moving Train
The plan should be to use the power of section 3 of 14th Amendment to force Republicans to either vote to remove Trump or not be present on Trumps impeachment vote for removal. If 80 senators were present on the vote to convict trump, there are already two thirds of 80 senators who publicly support Trump’s removal.

The vote to remove trump and disqualify him from future office will take place when Democrats control the senate, so they set the rules. It should be made clear to McConnell anyone voting to support trump will be met with a vote on expulsion from the Senate under section 3 of the 14th (requires only a majority vote). KY & WI have republican senators and democratic governors (who usually appoint senate replacements). This would be the hammer to McConnell, Rand Paul and Ron Johnson. The price to not remove them from the senate is to simply have 20 republican senators not present when the vote to remove trump takes place. This is the simplest way to prevent trump from ever holding office again. To reinstate the senators would require a two thirds vote. Another form of leverage is to offer to not remove secret service protection of trump in exchange for cooperation.

“ No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.”



Section 3 was used (Only once and passed with a majority vote ) to prevent Socialist Party of America member Victor L. Berger, convicted of violating the Espionage Actfor his anti-militarist views, from taking his seat in the House of Representatives in 1919 and 1920.[216]

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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 301
    So you know this, they don’t....you should run for an office.  
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,983
    Interesting that they've talk about a second impeachment or 25th Amendment but not the 14th.  What you suggest makes sense, Lerxst.

    Question for those who may understand this better than I:  Why is section 3 of the 14th so seemly a different subject than the main body of the amendment which give African Americans equal legal and civil rights?
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 4,041
    brianlux said:
    Interesting that they've talk about a second impeachment or 25th Amendment but not the 14th.  What you suggest makes sense, Lerxst.

    Question for those who may understand this better than I:  Why is section 3 of the 14th so seemly a different subject than the main body of the amendment which give African Americans equal legal and civil rights?

    Excellent question Bri, I was wondering the same thing. I believe the answer lies in the timing the amendment was written (1868), and it was ratified to handle legislative issues of the time - reconstruction, civil rights and insurrection.

    it seemed to be a necessary intervention for the country recovering from the Civil War, wanting to heal it’s wounds and nervous about southern legislators willing to give aid and comfort to remaining confederate factions.

    152 years later, a confederate flag was flown inside the US Capitol. How far have we not advanced? Seems to me section 3 of the 14th was written for this exact Trumponian situation. Are we even sure the insurrection is over?
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,983
    brianlux said:
    Interesting that they've talk about a second impeachment or 25th Amendment but not the 14th.  What you suggest makes sense, Lerxst.

    Question for those who may understand this better than I:  Why is section 3 of the 14th so seemly a different subject than the main body of the amendment which give African Americans equal legal and civil rights?

    Excellent question Bri, I was wondering the same thing. I believe the answer lies in the timing the amendment was written (1868), and it was ratified to handle legislative issues of the time - reconstruction, civil rights and insurrection.

    it seemed to be a necessary intervention for the country recovering from the Civil War, wanting to heal it’s wounds and nervous about southern legislators willing to give aid and comfort to remaining confederate factions.

    152 years later, a confederate flag was flown inside the US Capitol. How far have we not advanced? Seems to me section 3 of the 14th was written for this exact Trumponian situation. Are we even sure the insurrection is over?

    That makes sense, L.

    I very much doubt the insurrection is over.   A lot depends on how well Biden deals with the situation.  I wouldn't want to be in his shoes.  Tough job!
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,910
    brianlux said:
    Interesting that they've talk about a second impeachment or 25th Amendment but not the 14th.  What you suggest makes sense, Lerxst.

    Question for those who may understand this better than I:  Why is section 3 of the 14th so seemly a different subject than the main body of the amendment which give African Americans equal legal and civil rights?

    Excellent question Bri, I was wondering the same thing. I believe the answer lies in the timing the amendment was written (1868), and it was ratified to handle legislative issues of the time - reconstruction, civil rights and insurrection.

    it seemed to be a necessary intervention for the country recovering from the Civil War, wanting to heal it’s wounds and nervous about southern legislators willing to give aid and comfort to remaining confederate factions.

    152 years later, a confederate flag was flown inside the US Capitol. How far have we not advanced? Seems to me section 3 of the 14th was written for this exact Trumponian situation. Are we even sure the insurrection is over?
    given what we saw in one of the other threads, the million militia march that is planned to prevent biden from entering the white house on the 20th, no, this is far from over. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,983
    brianlux said:
    Interesting that they've talk about a second impeachment or 25th Amendment but not the 14th.  What you suggest makes sense, Lerxst.

    Question for those who may understand this better than I:  Why is section 3 of the 14th so seemly a different subject than the main body of the amendment which give African Americans equal legal and civil rights?

    Excellent question Bri, I was wondering the same thing. I believe the answer lies in the timing the amendment was written (1868), and it was ratified to handle legislative issues of the time - reconstruction, civil rights and insurrection.

    it seemed to be a necessary intervention for the country recovering from the Civil War, wanting to heal it’s wounds and nervous about southern legislators willing to give aid and comfort to remaining confederate factions.

    152 years later, a confederate flag was flown inside the US Capitol. How far have we not advanced? Seems to me section 3 of the 14th was written for this exact Trumponian situation. Are we even sure the insurrection is over?
    given what we saw in one of the other threads, the million militia march that is planned to prevent biden from entering the white house on the 20th, no, this is far from over. 

    In the past, I would never have thought it possible that Jan. 6th could happen.  It leaves me (and many of us) very nervous about the 20th.  I hope they are prepared to keep these militia marchers at bay.  Shit's going crazy these days.  Blows my mind that it's come to this.
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 11,582
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Interesting that they've talk about a second impeachment or 25th Amendment but not the 14th.  What you suggest makes sense, Lerxst.

    Question for those who may understand this better than I:  Why is section 3 of the 14th so seemly a different subject than the main body of the amendment which give African Americans equal legal and civil rights?

    Excellent question Bri, I was wondering the same thing. I believe the answer lies in the timing the amendment was written (1868), and it was ratified to handle legislative issues of the time - reconstruction, civil rights and insurrection.

    it seemed to be a necessary intervention for the country recovering from the Civil War, wanting to heal it’s wounds and nervous about southern legislators willing to give aid and comfort to remaining confederate factions.

    152 years later, a confederate flag was flown inside the US Capitol. How far have we not advanced? Seems to me section 3 of the 14th was written for this exact Trumponian situation. Are we even sure the insurrection is over?
    given what we saw in one of the other threads, the million militia march that is planned to prevent biden from entering the white house on the 20th, no, this is far from over. 

    In the past, I would never have thought it possible that Jan. 6th could happen.  It leaves me (and many of us) very nervous about the 20th.  I hope they are prepared to keep these militia marchers at bay.  Shit's going crazy these days.  Blows my mind that it's come to this.
    I guess there is always a slip up and that causes us to adjust.  Hopefully last Wednesday was the slip up.
    Remember the Thomas Nine!! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
    2020: Oakland1, Oakland2
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon HeadstoniaPosts: 25,910
    hopefully they have enough TRULY patriotic law enforcement that won't let any of these nutjobs anywhere near the inauguration. setting up a secure perimeter with everyone getting checked for weapons comes to mind. 
    (Track 10 of The Headstones' Nickels For Your Nightmares)


  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,983
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Interesting that they've talk about a second impeachment or 25th Amendment but not the 14th.  What you suggest makes sense, Lerxst.

    Question for those who may understand this better than I:  Why is section 3 of the 14th so seemly a different subject than the main body of the amendment which give African Americans equal legal and civil rights?

    Excellent question Bri, I was wondering the same thing. I believe the answer lies in the timing the amendment was written (1868), and it was ratified to handle legislative issues of the time - reconstruction, civil rights and insurrection.

    it seemed to be a necessary intervention for the country recovering from the Civil War, wanting to heal it’s wounds and nervous about southern legislators willing to give aid and comfort to remaining confederate factions.

    152 years later, a confederate flag was flown inside the US Capitol. How far have we not advanced? Seems to me section 3 of the 14th was written for this exact Trumponian situation. Are we even sure the insurrection is over?
    given what we saw in one of the other threads, the million militia march that is planned to prevent biden from entering the white house on the 20th, no, this is far from over. 

    In the past, I would never have thought it possible that Jan. 6th could happen.  It leaves me (and many of us) very nervous about the 20th.  I hope they are prepared to keep these militia marchers at bay.  Shit's going crazy these days.  Blows my mind that it's come to this.
    I guess there is always a slip up and that causes us to adjust.  Hopefully last Wednesday was the slip up.

    The question is, was it a slip up?  They could not prevent rioters from breaking into the nation's Capitol?   That's seems like more that a slip up, doesn't it?
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom'sPosts: 11,582
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Interesting that they've talk about a second impeachment or 25th Amendment but not the 14th.  What you suggest makes sense, Lerxst.

    Question for those who may understand this better than I:  Why is section 3 of the 14th so seemly a different subject than the main body of the amendment which give African Americans equal legal and civil rights?

    Excellent question Bri, I was wondering the same thing. I believe the answer lies in the timing the amendment was written (1868), and it was ratified to handle legislative issues of the time - reconstruction, civil rights and insurrection.

    it seemed to be a necessary intervention for the country recovering from the Civil War, wanting to heal it’s wounds and nervous about southern legislators willing to give aid and comfort to remaining confederate factions.

    152 years later, a confederate flag was flown inside the US Capitol. How far have we not advanced? Seems to me section 3 of the 14th was written for this exact Trumponian situation. Are we even sure the insurrection is over?
    given what we saw in one of the other threads, the million militia march that is planned to prevent biden from entering the white house on the 20th, no, this is far from over. 

    In the past, I would never have thought it possible that Jan. 6th could happen.  It leaves me (and many of us) very nervous about the 20th.  I hope they are prepared to keep these militia marchers at bay.  Shit's going crazy these days.  Blows my mind that it's come to this.
    I guess there is always a slip up and that causes us to adjust.  Hopefully last Wednesday was the slip up.

    The question is, was it a slip up?  They could not prevent rioters from breaking into the nation's Capitol?   That's seems like more that a slip up, doesn't it?
    It does....it's scary
    Remember the Thomas Nine!! (10/02/2018)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Chicago; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley #1, Wrigley #2, Boston #1, Boston #2
    2020: Oakland1, Oakland2
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 33,983
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    Interesting that they've talk about a second impeachment or 25th Amendment but not the 14th.  What you suggest makes sense, Lerxst.

    Question for those who may understand this better than I:  Why is section 3 of the 14th so seemly a different subject than the main body of the amendment which give African Americans equal legal and civil rights?

    Excellent question Bri, I was wondering the same thing. I believe the answer lies in the timing the amendment was written (1868), and it was ratified to handle legislative issues of the time - reconstruction, civil rights and insurrection.

    it seemed to be a necessary intervention for the country recovering from the Civil War, wanting to heal it’s wounds and nervous about southern legislators willing to give aid and comfort to remaining confederate factions.

    152 years later, a confederate flag was flown inside the US Capitol. How far have we not advanced? Seems to me section 3 of the 14th was written for this exact Trumponian situation. Are we even sure the insurrection is over?
    given what we saw in one of the other threads, the million militia march that is planned to prevent biden from entering the white house on the 20th, no, this is far from over. 

    In the past, I would never have thought it possible that Jan. 6th could happen.  It leaves me (and many of us) very nervous about the 20th.  I hope they are prepared to keep these militia marchers at bay.  Shit's going crazy these days.  Blows my mind that it's come to this.
    I guess there is always a slip up and that causes us to adjust.  Hopefully last Wednesday was the slip up.

    The question is, was it a slip up?  They could not prevent rioters from breaking into the nation's Capitol?   That's seems like more that a slip up, doesn't it?
    It does....it's scary

    Assuming the best outcome, I will be glad when Jan. 20th has come and gone!
    “In all human affairs there are efforts, and there are results, and the strength of the effort is the measure of the result.”
    -James Allen










  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 5,504
    I believe Pelosi inquired what her colleagues' thoughts were about the 14th, but I'm under the impression this was in regards to other members of the House or Senate, such as Cruz, Hawley & others.   

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