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“Hate the cult, love the cultist.“ per Bill Maher. Should democrats be supportive?

Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,636
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Should democrats be supportive of friends and family in the trump cult, who blame liberals for all their problems, think of them as evil and lie about decent people like Biden and Harris?


https://twitter.com/billmaher/status/1330033752244969473?s=21

The challenge for us is, how do you get people out of a cult? When you're fighting a cult you're not just fighting the leaders, but all the enablers who see you as an enemy. “Hate the cult, love the cultist.” #TrumpCult


“Hate the cult, love the cultist.“ per Bill Maher. Should democrats be supportive? 6 votes

Yes, Maher is correct, the only way to heal is to listen, be patient and tolerant, especially with friends and family.
33%
nicknyr15ConorKavanagh 2 votes
No. Democrats are not evil and not to blame for all the GOP ills, even if it includes standing up for truth with friends and family.
66%
vaggar99Bentleyspopstatic111jpgoegel 4 votes
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  • PoncierPoncier Posts: 16,914
    Option 3 should be: "Don't watch or listen to a hack like Bill Maher about any subject."
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,263
    #3
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,557
    3 AND 4......

    #3 as stated above

    #4 is somewhere in between 1 and 2.
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Poncier said:
    Option 3 should be: "Don't watch or listen to a hack like Bill Maher about any subject."
    :clap:

    (Sorry, I think he’s a smug asshole.)
  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    I watch Bill Maher every week. One thing he said that you do not include:

    Remind members of the cult of the people they used to be. 

    As someone who has members of the cult in the immediate family circle, #1 is super difficult. It is also impossible to convince them of #2. They see me living my life. We break bread together. I'm not evil. I'm not a "radical leftist socialist who eats babies." Yet they can look me straight in the face and with all seriousness make these claims about Democrats. 

    So, I don't know about this healing. It's a mental illness they suffer from, and that takes a special form of treatment to heal.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,263
    hedonist said:
    Poncier said:
    Option 3 should be: "Don't watch or listen to a hack like Bill Maher about any subject."
    :clap:

    (Sorry, I think he’s a smug asshole.)
    Don't apologize for having the correct assessment of what a smug asshole looks and sounds like.  Even when I agree with him I can't stand him.
    (And I agree with a lot of his statements against organized religion....think he is spot on/money in what he thinks.  He's still a smug asswipe.)

    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    No. Democrats are not evil and not to blame for all the GOP ills, even if it includes standing up for truth with friends and family.
    Poncier said:
    Option 3 should be: "Don't watch or listen to a hack like Bill Maher about any subject."
    Fuck I would have voted 3 !!
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    Too much hate for Bill Maher here, I'm out.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux said:
    Too much hate for Bill Maher here, I'm out.
    THAT sends you over the edge? :i_dunno:
  • static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    No. Democrats are not evil and not to blame for all the GOP ills, even if it includes standing up for truth with friends and family.
    hedonist said:
    brianlux said:
    Too much hate for Bill Maher here, I'm out.
    THAT sends you over the edge? :i_dunno:
    How can someone exist and not see that Maher is a smug prick?  Just what we all need, an aging white man telling us what we are doing wrong.
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    static111 said:
    hedonist said:
    brianlux said:
    Too much hate for Bill Maher here, I'm out.
    THAT sends you over the edge? :i_dunno:
    How can someone exist and not see that Maher is a smug prick?  Just what we all need, an aging white man telling us what we are doing wrong.
    Yeah, hate sends me over the edge.  I must be some kind of fool to dislike hate.
    How do I exist?  Basically by eating and sleeping.  Honestly, it's that simple.

    Goodbye haters.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • what dreamswhat dreams Posts: 1,761
    I enjoy the guests he brings on. He is smug at times, and goes off on his pet issues a lot. Some I agree with, some I don't,  but I like how he conducts interviews, mostly. 

    I still think the choices in the poll above contain too much editorializing to choose a straight answer. It's clear where the pollster wants us to go.  ;)
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    hedonist said:
    brianlux said:
    Too much hate for Bill Maher here, I'm out.
    THAT sends you over the edge? :i_dunno:
    How can someone exist and not see that Maher is a smug prick?  Just what we all need, an aging white man telling us what we are doing wrong.
    Yeah, hate sends me over the edge.  I must be some kind of fool to dislike hate.
    How do I exist?  Basically by eating and sleeping.  Honestly, it's that simple.

    Goodbye haters.
    Actually, you’re the one who brought up the word “hate” here to begin with.

    We’re terrible people!
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    hedonist said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    hedonist said:
    brianlux said:
    Too much hate for Bill Maher here, I'm out.
    THAT sends you over the edge? :i_dunno:
    How can someone exist and not see that Maher is a smug prick?  Just what we all need, an aging white man telling us what we are doing wrong.
    Yeah, hate sends me over the edge.  I must be some kind of fool to dislike hate.
    How do I exist?  Basically by eating and sleeping.  Honestly, it's that simple.

    Goodbye haters.
    Actually, you’re the one who brought up the word “hate” here to begin with.

    We’re terrible people!

    No you're not. 
    I hate the hate, not the haters.
    Calling someone a hack or a smug prick sounds hateful to me.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,720
    So weird....couple things I posted yesterday on a different site

    “I feel bad for you guys. I feel bad that such an evil man has taken hold of so many people I assume are really good. I don’t want to believe that any of you really feel the way he does. But most of all I feel bad for the disrespect shown to doctors and nurses who are literally crying everyday and begging people to wear masks. I just don’t agree with disrespecting people who are doing their jobs to keep Americans alive. I just don’t think there’s a good enough reason (unless for health) no matter what party you belong to.”

    and....

    “1976 David Koresh 76 dead Waco

    1978 Jim Jones 909 dead Jonestown

    1997 Marshall Applewhite 38 dead Texas

    2020 Donald Trump 250,000 dead and counting USA”

    The only person who can change their mindset is trump and he’s too busy golfing. 

  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,636
    Poncier said:
    Option 3 should be: "Don't watch or listen to a hack like Bill Maher about any subject."

    why make it personal? Maher is making a legitimate point, even if he might be wrong.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,263
    Bill?  Is that you?
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,636
    brianlux said:
    hedonist said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    hedonist said:
    brianlux said:
    Too much hate for Bill Maher here, I'm out.
    THAT sends you over the edge? :i_dunno:
    How can someone exist and not see that Maher is a smug prick?  Just what we all need, an aging white man telling us what we are doing wrong.
    Yeah, hate sends me over the edge.  I must be some kind of fool to dislike hate.
    How do I exist?  Basically by eating and sleeping.  Honestly, it's that simple.

    Goodbye haters.
    Actually, you’re the one who brought up the word “hate” here to begin with.

    We’re terrible people!

    No you're not. 
    I hate the hate, not the haters.
    Calling someone a hack or a smug prick sounds hateful to me.

    on this topic, I disagree with Maher, but I thought it was an interesting point he made, worthy of discussion. Instead most of the replies were an attack on Maher personally. Silly me for thinking Internet forums may have some merit.
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,528
    edited November 2020
    I really like Maher’s show as he will have both sides on and will take on liberals when he feels it’s justified. He gets really good guests from both sides. He does come off as smug at times but I find myself agreeing with his opinions often. As someone said above so think the answer is somewhere between 1 and 2.  Some folks are so far down the rabbit hole that just words is not going to change their minds. It will take years to de-program that sector. 
    Post edited by pjhawks on
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,017
    Lerxst1992 said:
    brianlux said:
    hedonist said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    hedonist said:
    brianlux said:
    Too much hate for Bill Maher here, I'm out.
    THAT sends you over the edge? :i_dunno:
    How can someone exist and not see that Maher is a smug prick?  Just what we all need, an aging white man telling us what we are doing wrong.
    Yeah, hate sends me over the edge.  I must be some kind of fool to dislike hate.
    How do I exist?  Basically by eating and sleeping.  Honestly, it's that simple.

    Goodbye haters.
    Actually, you’re the one who brought up the word “hate” here to begin with.

    We’re terrible people!

    No you're not. 
    I hate the hate, not the haters.
    Calling someone a hack or a smug prick sounds hateful to me.

    on this topic, I disagree with Maher, but I thought it was an interesting point he made, worthy of discussion. Instead most of the replies were an attack on Maher personally. Silly me for thinking Internet forums may have some merit.

    Exactly!  That's why I jumped ship here rather quickly.  It started off right out of the gate as all rant, no reply to the question put forth. 

    But moving beyond that, I would say Maher makes a good point that is damn hard to follow.  I don't think there is anyway someone can argue against the idea he presents which is basically that that deriding and ridiculing someone is no way to convenience them to change.  I don't think anyone of us who as a strong feeling about something is going to change our mind because someone says to us, "You stupid fucking idiot!  You're so full of shit you don't even know it when your mouth is full of it."  I mean, seriously, no one changes their viewpoint because someone says something like that to them.

    At the same time though, I don't have one freaking clue as to how to convince Trump loyalists how to see things differently.  I guess that's mainly because, although I accept that they have a different perspective on things, that perspective seems to me to be extreme and beyond absurd- incomprehensible, really.  Trying to change the minds of folks like that would be one damn tough gig and my hat's off to anyone who can do it. 
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • mattsl1983mattsl1983 Posts: 711
    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of republicans don’t like Trump, but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in the democrats ideology of expanding the federal government.  Also amusing is that so many here blame Trump for Covid when the federal government has no right to shut down states.  If you actually go back when this started Trump talked about quarantining hotspots such as New York, but Governor Cuomo threatened to sue.  So I’m still not sure how anyone that understands how our government actually works doesn’t blame governors for the pandemic.  I’m sure most of you all knew that already though...  but I’m sure this will all fall on deaf ears, because every Republican is brainwashed to follow trump...  as free of thinkers and as educated as some of you pretend to be, knowledge and critical thinking skills have fallen by the wayside in some of yours blinded hatred, but just remember, you voted for the person that built the cages and started the president.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    edited November 2020
    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Germans don't like Hitler but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in the other sides ideology of giving more money to public libraries. 


    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Hothians don't like the Emperor but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in Princess Leias idea of cleaning up the forests of Endor.


    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of angels don't like Satan but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in Jesus idea of helping poor people.
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mattsl1983mattsl1983 Posts: 711
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Germans don't like Hitler but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in the other sides ideology of giving more money to public libraries. 


    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Hothians don't like the emperor but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in Princess Leias idea of cleaning up the forests of Endor.
    Or that a whole lot of Russians didn’t like Stalin but still thought they would benefit from the free society he promised.  See how that works?
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    mattsl1983 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Germans don't like Hitler but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in the other sides ideology of giving more money to public libraries. 


    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Hothians don't like the emperor but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in Princess Leias idea of cleaning up the forests of Endor.
    Or that a whole lot of Russians didn’t like Stalin but still thought they would benefit from the free society he promised.  See how that works?
    This just adds to the argument against your terrible post.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mattsl1983mattsl1983 Posts: 711
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mattsl1983 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Germans don't like Hitler but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in the other sides ideology of giving more money to public libraries. 


    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Hothians don't like the emperor but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in Princess Leias idea of cleaning up the forests of Endor.
    Or that a whole lot of Russians didn’t like Stalin but still thought they would benefit from the free society he promised.  See how that works?
    This just adds to the argument against your terrible post.
    How? And how is it a terrible post?  You may agree or disagree with it, but there is a lot to think about in it if you choose to.  I understand you disagree with my ideology when it comes to you want expanded federal governing, I don’t, but to simply dismiss any argument because you don’t like it is ignorance.  Are you familiar with state rights and federal rights?  Agree with or not, but that’s how our government in the US works.  We are a federation of states.
  • mattsl1983mattsl1983 Posts: 711
    And honestly, what in the past four years is even remotely comparable to Hitler?  I know it’s easy to through out, but realistically?  If anything is comparable to Hitler it would the the rise of leftist extremism and popularity in blaming a single entity for everything that’s wrong.  Hitler blamed Jews, the left blame Trump.  Mob mentality.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    mattsl1983 said:

     And how is it a terrible post?  
    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Germans don't like Hitler but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in the other sides ideology of giving more money to public libraries. 


    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Hothians don't like the Emperor but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in Princess Leias idea of cleaning up the forests of Endor.


    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of angels don't like Satan but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in Jesus idea of helping poor people.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • dignindignin Posts: 9,336
    Case in point for reaching out to Trump voters.

    You guys are in for a rough ride.
  • mattsl1983mattsl1983 Posts: 711
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mattsl1983 said:

     And how is it a terrible post?  
    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Germans don't like Hitler but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in the other sides ideology of giving more money to public libraries. 


    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Hothians don't like the Emperor but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in Princess Leias idea of cleaning up the forests of Endor.


    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of angels don't like Satan but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in Jesus idea of helping poor people.
    And that’s all you have?  Any response to the rest or are you just going to stick to this?
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,520
    mattsl1983 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    mattsl1983 said:

     And how is it a terrible post?  
    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Germans don't like Hitler but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in the other sides ideology of giving more money to public libraries. 


    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of Hothians don't like the Emperor but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in Princess Leias idea of cleaning up the forests of Endor.


    I think what is completely missing here is the fact that a whole lot of angels don't like Satan but still voted for the party because they don’t believe in Jesus idea of helping poor people.
    And that’s all you have?  Any response to the rest or are you just going to stick to this?
    I will stick with that.

    Being correct and all. I don't need to delve any further.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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