#46 President Joe Biden

Choccoloccotide

shecky said:

Of course he’ll accept it b/c he knows he and the other Jan 6 committee members are guilty as hell for destroying all the evidence they had gathered that would've proved Jan 6 was an inside job.  I say lock him up!

Choccoloccotide

Looks like we were right….again!
https://x.com/its_The_Dr/status/1868149978453180872

mickeyrat

Choccoloccotide said:

shecky said:

Of course he’ll accept it b/c he knows he and the other Jan 6 committee members are guilty as hell for destroying all the evidence they had gathered that would've proved Jan 6 was an inside job.  I say lock him up!

psst its all in the national archives.

mickeyrat

video....

https://www.threads.net/@kirstinosgood1/post/DDlV8Artp3S?xmt=AQGz43HyIq8JyeKgHwyp7vjLwf3hhCYEu6C9saRrrczMOQ

mrussel1

Choccoloccotide said:

shecky said:

Of course he’ll accept it b/c he knows he and the other Jan 6 committee members are guilty as hell for destroying all the evidence they had gathered that would've proved Jan 6 was an inside job.  I say lock him up!

Of course it was an inside job. It was Trump and his cronies that organized the event. Trump was the “inside”.  They didn’t destroy that evidence, they showed it to the people. 

mickeyrat

chris rock snl monologue

Gern Blansten

Choccoloccotide said:

shecky said:

Of course he’ll accept it b/c he knows he and the other Jan 6 committee members are guilty as hell for destroying all the evidence they had gathered that would've proved Jan 6 was an inside job.  I say lock him up!

LOL...do you realize that these things you bring up never materialize? You always have something on the horizon that is going to happen like J6 committee people getting "locked up", etc., and it never happens.

No evidence was destroyed. It was all laid out very nicely and your ilk decided it was ok.

mickeyrat

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

shecky said:

Of course he’ll accept it b/c he knows he and the other Jan 6 committee members are guilty as hell for destroying all the evidence they had gathered that would've proved Jan 6 was an inside job.  I say lock him up!

LOL...do you realize that these things you bring up never materialize? You always have something on the horizon that is going to happen like J6 committee people getting "locked up", etc., and it never happens.

No evidence was destroyed. It was all laid out very nicely and your ilk decided it was ok.

further, doesn't mike johnson have all that now?

Gern Blansten

mickeyrat said:

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

shecky said:

Of course he’ll accept it b/c he knows he and the other Jan 6 committee members are guilty as hell for destroying all the evidence they had gathered that would've proved Jan 6 was an inside job.  I say lock him up!

LOL...do you realize that these things you bring up never materialize? You always have something on the horizon that is going to happen like J6 committee people getting "locked up", etc., and it never happens.

No evidence was destroyed. It was all laid out very nicely and your ilk decided it was ok.

further, doesn't mike johnson have all that now?

every bit of it

mace1229

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here's another....Biden just pardoned the notorious Kids-For-Cash judge Michael Conahan from Pennsylvania. If you're not familiar with him, in the 2000's, he was putting juveniles away for years for minor offenses because he was getting kickbacks from the detention centers. I WAS ALMOST ONE OF THEM after I was cited for underage drinking at a Red Hot Chili Pepper concert. Thankfully my parents got me a lawyer and I got off with just community service. But other juveniles weren't even given public defenders for some of their cases, and put away for years. He was convicted of multiple crimes in 2010 as a result. 

Here's PA Governor Josh Shapiro slamming the move by Biden...

“Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully. I study every single case that comes across my desk where there’s a request for a pardon, or clemency, or a reduction of sentence – and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case, I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings, I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision.

I recognize that those on the outside can question those decisions, as you are here today, and posing a question to me as to the clemency granted by President Biden. So I’ll offer these thoughts as an outsider, not privy to all the information he looked at, but I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

This was not only a black eye on the community, the kids for cash scandal, but it also affected families in really deep and profound and sad ways. Some children took their lives because of this. Families were torn apart. There was all kind of mental health issues and anguish that came as a result of these corrupt judges deciding they wanted to make a buck off a kid’s back. Frankly, I thought the sentence that the judge got was too light, and the fact that he’s been allowed out over the last years because of COVID, was on house arrest and now has been granted clemency, I think, is absolutely wrong. He should have been in prison for at least the 17 years that he was sentenced to by a jury of his peers. He deserves to be behind bars, not walking as a free man.”

Shapiro on Conahan: 'Biden got it absolutely wrong' | 28/22 News

That sucks, man.  I don't disagree with Biden's move all together- we have way too people incarcerated for non-violent crimes (worth doing a little research on penal labor and exploitation of incarcerated workers), but he would have done well to have had a team do a better job of screening who gets a pass and who doesn't. 

And as we all know, a much worse scenario of this type will be happening soon.  Perhaps you will be at least as critical of that as well.

If you’re referring to potential ridiculous pardons by Trump, I think all the other regulars here will make so many posts about them that you won’t need me to bring them up. 

That's not what I was asking/ wondering about.  Read again. 

Well I read it again. I have no idea what the “worse scenario of this type” is that you’re talking about. 

Freeing insurgents from 1/6/21.

Which would fall under “potential ridiculous pardons by Trump” wouldn’t it? Jesus Christ.  

You don't think he'll do it?  Watch. 
Buddha!

I don't think that's what he's saying. He's saying this forum will be flooded with criticism, there will be no need for him to discuss it.
Which I agree with. I'm not always critical of trump because there may be multiple pages on one thing he does, no need to add my 2 cents when its just repeating what been said 100 times.

Kat

We can view and download January 6 evidence here. It is not destroyed yet...

https://www.govinfo.gov/collection/january-6th-committee-final-report?path=/GPO/January 6th Committee Final Report and Supporting Materials Collection

brianlux

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here's another....Biden just pardoned the notorious Kids-For-Cash judge Michael Conahan from Pennsylvania. If you're not familiar with him, in the 2000's, he was putting juveniles away for years for minor offenses because he was getting kickbacks from the detention centers. I WAS ALMOST ONE OF THEM after I was cited for underage drinking at a Red Hot Chili Pepper concert. Thankfully my parents got me a lawyer and I got off with just community service. But other juveniles weren't even given public defenders for some of their cases, and put away for years. He was convicted of multiple crimes in 2010 as a result. 

Here's PA Governor Josh Shapiro slamming the move by Biden...

“Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully. I study every single case that comes across my desk where there’s a request for a pardon, or clemency, or a reduction of sentence – and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case, I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings, I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision.

I recognize that those on the outside can question those decisions, as you are here today, and posing a question to me as to the clemency granted by President Biden. So I’ll offer these thoughts as an outsider, not privy to all the information he looked at, but I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

This was not only a black eye on the community, the kids for cash scandal, but it also affected families in really deep and profound and sad ways. Some children took their lives because of this. Families were torn apart. There was all kind of mental health issues and anguish that came as a result of these corrupt judges deciding they wanted to make a buck off a kid’s back. Frankly, I thought the sentence that the judge got was too light, and the fact that he’s been allowed out over the last years because of COVID, was on house arrest and now has been granted clemency, I think, is absolutely wrong. He should have been in prison for at least the 17 years that he was sentenced to by a jury of his peers. He deserves to be behind bars, not walking as a free man.”

Shapiro on Conahan: 'Biden got it absolutely wrong' | 28/22 News

That sucks, man.  I don't disagree with Biden's move all together- we have way too people incarcerated for non-violent crimes (worth doing a little research on penal labor and exploitation of incarcerated workers), but he would have done well to have had a team do a better job of screening who gets a pass and who doesn't. 

And as we all know, a much worse scenario of this type will be happening soon.  Perhaps you will be at least as critical of that as well.

If you’re referring to potential ridiculous pardons by Trump, I think all the other regulars here will make so many posts about them that you won’t need me to bring them up. 

That's not what I was asking/ wondering about.  Read again. 

Well I read it again. I have no idea what the “worse scenario of this type” is that you’re talking about. 

Freeing insurgents from 1/6/21.

Which would fall under “potential ridiculous pardons by Trump” wouldn’t it? Jesus Christ.  

You don't think he'll do it?  Watch. 
Buddha!

I don't think that's what he's saying. He's saying this forum will be flooded with criticism, there will be no need for him to discuss it.
Which I agree with. I'm not always critical of trump because there may be multiple pages on one thing he does, no need to add my 2 cents when its just repeating what been said 100 times.

I'm not sure what he is saying.

As for not wanting to add you comment on that issue, your prerogative, of course, but I don't think we can overstate how terrible Trump will (is already) going to handle things as POTIS again, starting with the release of those convicted insurgents.  Say it 1,000 time.  Make your voices heard.  This coming administration is going to be a catastrophe (and that's no hyperbole).

mace1229

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here's another....Biden just pardoned the notorious Kids-For-Cash judge Michael Conahan from Pennsylvania. If you're not familiar with him, in the 2000's, he was putting juveniles away for years for minor offenses because he was getting kickbacks from the detention centers. I WAS ALMOST ONE OF THEM after I was cited for underage drinking at a Red Hot Chili Pepper concert. Thankfully my parents got me a lawyer and I got off with just community service. But other juveniles weren't even given public defenders for some of their cases, and put away for years. He was convicted of multiple crimes in 2010 as a result. 

Here's PA Governor Josh Shapiro slamming the move by Biden...

“Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully. I study every single case that comes across my desk where there’s a request for a pardon, or clemency, or a reduction of sentence – and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case, I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings, I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision.

I recognize that those on the outside can question those decisions, as you are here today, and posing a question to me as to the clemency granted by President Biden. So I’ll offer these thoughts as an outsider, not privy to all the information he looked at, but I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

This was not only a black eye on the community, the kids for cash scandal, but it also affected families in really deep and profound and sad ways. Some children took their lives because of this. Families were torn apart. There was all kind of mental health issues and anguish that came as a result of these corrupt judges deciding they wanted to make a buck off a kid’s back. Frankly, I thought the sentence that the judge got was too light, and the fact that he’s been allowed out over the last years because of COVID, was on house arrest and now has been granted clemency, I think, is absolutely wrong. He should have been in prison for at least the 17 years that he was sentenced to by a jury of his peers. He deserves to be behind bars, not walking as a free man.”

Shapiro on Conahan: 'Biden got it absolutely wrong' | 28/22 News

That sucks, man.  I don't disagree with Biden's move all together- we have way too people incarcerated for non-violent crimes (worth doing a little research on penal labor and exploitation of incarcerated workers), but he would have done well to have had a team do a better job of screening who gets a pass and who doesn't. 

And as we all know, a much worse scenario of this type will be happening soon.  Perhaps you will be at least as critical of that as well.

If you’re referring to potential ridiculous pardons by Trump, I think all the other regulars here will make so many posts about them that you won’t need me to bring them up. 

That's not what I was asking/ wondering about.  Read again. 

Well I read it again. I have no idea what the “worse scenario of this type” is that you’re talking about. 

Freeing insurgents from 1/6/21.

Which would fall under “potential ridiculous pardons by Trump” wouldn’t it? Jesus Christ.  

You don't think he'll do it?  Watch. 
Buddha!

I don't think that's what he's saying. He's saying this forum will be flooded with criticism, there will be no need for him to discuss it.
Which I agree with. I'm not always critical of trump because there may be multiple pages on one thing he does, no need to add my 2 cents when its just repeating what been said 100 times.

I'm not sure what he is saying.

As for not wanting to add you comment on that issue, your prerogative, of course, but I don't think we can overstate how terrible Trump will (is already) going to handle things as POTIS again, starting with the release of those convicted insurgents.  Say it 1,000 time.  Make your voices heard.  This coming administration is going to be a catastrophe (and that's no hyperbole).

I agree out in the real world, more is better. But as for here on this forum, I often don't see the point in posting when it aligns with the majority and will get drowned out. We can sometimes go through several pages in a single day on a topic and it's impossible to follow along when everyone is just repeating each other. 
Anyway, pretty sure that's what Ledbetterman was referring to. I probably won't comment much if/when trump pardons the J6'ers for that reason. There will be 500 comments in a day here. Silence doesn't mean I agree with what happened, it just means I have nothing new to add. On the flip side, not much is being said about Biden's pardons. So makes sense to comment on those.

brianlux

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here's another....Biden just pardoned the notorious Kids-For-Cash judge Michael Conahan from Pennsylvania. If you're not familiar with him, in the 2000's, he was putting juveniles away for years for minor offenses because he was getting kickbacks from the detention centers. I WAS ALMOST ONE OF THEM after I was cited for underage drinking at a Red Hot Chili Pepper concert. Thankfully my parents got me a lawyer and I got off with just community service. But other juveniles weren't even given public defenders for some of their cases, and put away for years. He was convicted of multiple crimes in 2010 as a result. 

Here's PA Governor Josh Shapiro slamming the move by Biden...

“Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully. I study every single case that comes across my desk where there’s a request for a pardon, or clemency, or a reduction of sentence – and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case, I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings, I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision.

I recognize that those on the outside can question those decisions, as you are here today, and posing a question to me as to the clemency granted by President Biden. So I’ll offer these thoughts as an outsider, not privy to all the information he looked at, but I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

This was not only a black eye on the community, the kids for cash scandal, but it also affected families in really deep and profound and sad ways. Some children took their lives because of this. Families were torn apart. There was all kind of mental health issues and anguish that came as a result of these corrupt judges deciding they wanted to make a buck off a kid’s back. Frankly, I thought the sentence that the judge got was too light, and the fact that he’s been allowed out over the last years because of COVID, was on house arrest and now has been granted clemency, I think, is absolutely wrong. He should have been in prison for at least the 17 years that he was sentenced to by a jury of his peers. He deserves to be behind bars, not walking as a free man.”

Shapiro on Conahan: 'Biden got it absolutely wrong' | 28/22 News

That sucks, man.  I don't disagree with Biden's move all together- we have way too people incarcerated for non-violent crimes (worth doing a little research on penal labor and exploitation of incarcerated workers), but he would have done well to have had a team do a better job of screening who gets a pass and who doesn't. 

And as we all know, a much worse scenario of this type will be happening soon.  Perhaps you will be at least as critical of that as well.

If you’re referring to potential ridiculous pardons by Trump, I think all the other regulars here will make so many posts about them that you won’t need me to bring them up. 

That's not what I was asking/ wondering about.  Read again. 

Well I read it again. I have no idea what the “worse scenario of this type” is that you’re talking about. 

Freeing insurgents from 1/6/21.

Which would fall under “potential ridiculous pardons by Trump” wouldn’t it? Jesus Christ.  

You don't think he'll do it?  Watch. 
Buddha!

I don't think that's what he's saying. He's saying this forum will be flooded with criticism, there will be no need for him to discuss it.
Which I agree with. I'm not always critical of trump because there may be multiple pages on one thing he does, no need to add my 2 cents when its just repeating what been said 100 times.

I'm not sure what he is saying.

As for not wanting to add you comment on that issue, your prerogative, of course, but I don't think we can overstate how terrible Trump will (is already) going to handle things as POTIS again, starting with the release of those convicted insurgents.  Say it 1,000 time.  Make your voices heard.  This coming administration is going to be a catastrophe (and that's no hyperbole).

I agree out in the real world, more is better. But as for here on this forum, I often don't see the point in posting when it aligns with the majority and will get drowned out. We can sometimes go through several pages in a single day on a topic and it's impossible to follow along when everyone is just repeating each other. 
Anyway, pretty sure that's what Ledbetterman was referring to. I probably won't comment much if/when trump pardons the J6'ers for that reason. There will be 500 comments in a day here. Silence doesn't mean I agree with what happened, it just means I have nothing new to add. On the flip side, not much is being said about Biden's pardons. So makes sense to comment on those.

Fair enough about not wanting to post on something that gets a lot of the same.

It does though seem to me a lot has been said about Biden's pardons.  My comment on that was that his biggest mistake was not have a team screen that long list better.

mace1229

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here's another....Biden just pardoned the notorious Kids-For-Cash judge Michael Conahan from Pennsylvania. If you're not familiar with him, in the 2000's, he was putting juveniles away for years for minor offenses because he was getting kickbacks from the detention centers. I WAS ALMOST ONE OF THEM after I was cited for underage drinking at a Red Hot Chili Pepper concert. Thankfully my parents got me a lawyer and I got off with just community service. But other juveniles weren't even given public defenders for some of their cases, and put away for years. He was convicted of multiple crimes in 2010 as a result. 

Here's PA Governor Josh Shapiro slamming the move by Biden...

“Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully. I study every single case that comes across my desk where there’s a request for a pardon, or clemency, or a reduction of sentence – and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case, I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings, I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision.

I recognize that those on the outside can question those decisions, as you are here today, and posing a question to me as to the clemency granted by President Biden. So I’ll offer these thoughts as an outsider, not privy to all the information he looked at, but I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

This was not only a black eye on the community, the kids for cash scandal, but it also affected families in really deep and profound and sad ways. Some children took their lives because of this. Families were torn apart. There was all kind of mental health issues and anguish that came as a result of these corrupt judges deciding they wanted to make a buck off a kid’s back. Frankly, I thought the sentence that the judge got was too light, and the fact that he’s been allowed out over the last years because of COVID, was on house arrest and now has been granted clemency, I think, is absolutely wrong. He should have been in prison for at least the 17 years that he was sentenced to by a jury of his peers. He deserves to be behind bars, not walking as a free man.”

Shapiro on Conahan: 'Biden got it absolutely wrong' | 28/22 News

That sucks, man.  I don't disagree with Biden's move all together- we have way too people incarcerated for non-violent crimes (worth doing a little research on penal labor and exploitation of incarcerated workers), but he would have done well to have had a team do a better job of screening who gets a pass and who doesn't. 

And as we all know, a much worse scenario of this type will be happening soon.  Perhaps you will be at least as critical of that as well.

If you’re referring to potential ridiculous pardons by Trump, I think all the other regulars here will make so many posts about them that you won’t need me to bring them up. 

That's not what I was asking/ wondering about.  Read again. 

Well I read it again. I have no idea what the “worse scenario of this type” is that you’re talking about. 

Freeing insurgents from 1/6/21.

Which would fall under “potential ridiculous pardons by Trump” wouldn’t it? Jesus Christ.  

You don't think he'll do it?  Watch. 
Buddha!

I don't think that's what he's saying. He's saying this forum will be flooded with criticism, there will be no need for him to discuss it.
Which I agree with. I'm not always critical of trump because there may be multiple pages on one thing he does, no need to add my 2 cents when its just repeating what been said 100 times.

I'm not sure what he is saying.

As for not wanting to add you comment on that issue, your prerogative, of course, but I don't think we can overstate how terrible Trump will (is already) going to handle things as POTIS again, starting with the release of those convicted insurgents.  Say it 1,000 time.  Make your voices heard.  This coming administration is going to be a catastrophe (and that's no hyperbole).

I agree out in the real world, more is better. But as for here on this forum, I often don't see the point in posting when it aligns with the majority and will get drowned out. We can sometimes go through several pages in a single day on a topic and it's impossible to follow along when everyone is just repeating each other. 
Anyway, pretty sure that's what Ledbetterman was referring to. I probably won't comment much if/when trump pardons the J6'ers for that reason. There will be 500 comments in a day here. Silence doesn't mean I agree with what happened, it just means I have nothing new to add. On the flip side, not much is being said about Biden's pardons. So makes sense to comment on those.

Fair enough about not wanting to post on something that gets a lot of the same.

It does though seem to me a lot has been said about Biden's pardons.  My comment on that was that his biggest mistake was not have a team screen that long list better.

I agree with the better screening. When I first heard about some of the pardons it's easy to get fired up. Then you realize it's just part of a prisoner swap or part of a sweeping pardon and makes a big difference. But still should have had better screening on who qualifies or some restrictions in place that prevent people with felonies against children to be eligible.

Ledbetterman10

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

brianlux said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

Here's another....Biden just pardoned the notorious Kids-For-Cash judge Michael Conahan from Pennsylvania. If you're not familiar with him, in the 2000's, he was putting juveniles away for years for minor offenses because he was getting kickbacks from the detention centers. I WAS ALMOST ONE OF THEM after I was cited for underage drinking at a Red Hot Chili Pepper concert. Thankfully my parents got me a lawyer and I got off with just community service. But other juveniles weren't even given public defenders for some of their cases, and put away for years. He was convicted of multiple crimes in 2010 as a result. 

Here's PA Governor Josh Shapiro slamming the move by Biden...

“Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully. I study every single case that comes across my desk where there’s a request for a pardon, or clemency, or a reduction of sentence – and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case, I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings, I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision.

I recognize that those on the outside can question those decisions, as you are here today, and posing a question to me as to the clemency granted by President Biden. So I’ll offer these thoughts as an outsider, not privy to all the information he looked at, but I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

This was not only a black eye on the community, the kids for cash scandal, but it also affected families in really deep and profound and sad ways. Some children took their lives because of this. Families were torn apart. There was all kind of mental health issues and anguish that came as a result of these corrupt judges deciding they wanted to make a buck off a kid’s back. Frankly, I thought the sentence that the judge got was too light, and the fact that he’s been allowed out over the last years because of COVID, was on house arrest and now has been granted clemency, I think, is absolutely wrong. He should have been in prison for at least the 17 years that he was sentenced to by a jury of his peers. He deserves to be behind bars, not walking as a free man.”

Shapiro on Conahan: 'Biden got it absolutely wrong' | 28/22 News

That sucks, man.  I don't disagree with Biden's move all together- we have way too people incarcerated for non-violent crimes (worth doing a little research on penal labor and exploitation of incarcerated workers), but he would have done well to have had a team do a better job of screening who gets a pass and who doesn't. 

And as we all know, a much worse scenario of this type will be happening soon.  Perhaps you will be at least as critical of that as well.

If you’re referring to potential ridiculous pardons by Trump, I think all the other regulars here will make so many posts about them that you won’t need me to bring them up. 

That's not what I was asking/ wondering about.  Read again. 

Well I read it again. I have no idea what the “worse scenario of this type” is that you’re talking about. 

Freeing insurgents from 1/6/21.

Which would fall under “potential ridiculous pardons by Trump” wouldn’t it? Jesus Christ.  

You don't think he'll do it?  Watch. 
Buddha!

I don't think that's what he's saying. He's saying this forum will be flooded with criticism, there will be no need for him to discuss it.
Which I agree with. I'm not always critical of trump because there may be multiple pages on one thing he does, no need to add my 2 cents when its just repeating what been said 100 times.

I'm not sure what he is saying.

As for not wanting to add you comment on that issue, your prerogative, of course, but I don't think we can overstate how terrible Trump will (is already) going to handle things as POTIS again, starting with the release of those convicted insurgents.  Say it 1,000 time.  Make your voices heard.  This coming administration is going to be a catastrophe (and that's no hyperbole).

I agree out in the real world, more is better. But as for here on this forum, I often don't see the point in posting when it aligns with the majority and will get drowned out. We can sometimes go through several pages in a single day on a topic and it's impossible to follow along when everyone is just repeating each other. 
Anyway, pretty sure that's what Ledbetterman was referring to. I probably won't comment much if/when trump pardons the J6'ers for that reason. There will be 500 comments in a day here. Silence doesn't mean I agree with what happened, it just means I have nothing new to add. On the flip side, not much is being said about Biden's pardons. So makes sense to comment on those.

Obviously. 

This "conversation" is actually a good example of how I find it nearly impossible to conversate on this board.....

1) I comment on Biden's pardon of the Kids-For-Cash judge.

2) Brian has to bring up Trump even though this is the Biden thread and we're talking about Biden's pardons, but he doesn't even bring up Trump by name. He says "a much worse scenario of this type will be happening soon. Perhaps you will be at least as critical of that as well." 

3) Of course I assume he's referring to potential Trump pardons, but I can't be sure because he didn't just say it. So I say, "If you’re referring to potential ridiculous pardons by Trump, I think all the other regulars here will make so many posts about them that you won’t need me to bring them up." 

4) But he can't just say that he is talking about Trump pardons. Instead he says, "That's not what I was asking/wondering about.  Read again." 

5) I read it again but can't think of anything other than Trump pardons.

6) He replies "Freeing insurgents from 1/6/21."  So he was talking about Trump pardons, like I suggested. But I'm the one that needs to "read again." 

mickeyrat

Michael Conahan now 72

served 9 years IN prison then furloughed to home confinement in 2020 due to covid.

was scheduled to be released in aug if 2026

what I wonder is generally what criteria is used to grant clemency. and if biden added or subtracted from that.

brianlux

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Here's another....Biden just pardoned the notorious Kids-For-Cash judge Michael Conahan from Pennsylvania. If you're not familiar with him, in the 2000's, he was putting juveniles away for years for minor offenses because he was getting kickbacks from the detention centers. I WAS ALMOST ONE OF THEM after I was cited for underage drinking at a Red Hot Chili Pepper concert. Thankfully my parents got me a lawyer and I got off with just community service. But other juveniles weren't even given public defenders for some of their cases, and put away for years. He was convicted of multiple crimes in 2010 as a result. 

Here's PA Governor Josh Shapiro slamming the move by Biden...

“Governors and presidents have unique power to grant pardons and clemency and commute sentences. It is an absolute power, and it is a power that should be used incredibly carefully. I study every single case that comes across my desk where there’s a request for a pardon, or clemency, or a reduction of sentence – and I take it very seriously. I weigh the merits of the case, I weigh what occurred in the court proceedings, I think about public safety and victims and all of those issues factor into my decision.

I recognize that those on the outside can question those decisions, as you are here today, and posing a question to me as to the clemency granted by President Biden. So I’ll offer these thoughts as an outsider, not privy to all the information he looked at, but I do feel strongly that President Biden got it absolutely wrong and created a lot of pain here in Northeastern Pennsylvania.

This was not only a black eye on the community, the kids for cash scandal, but it also affected families in really deep and profound and sad ways. Some children took their lives because of this. Families were torn apart. There was all kind of mental health issues and anguish that came as a result of these corrupt judges deciding they wanted to make a buck off a kid’s back. Frankly, I thought the sentence that the judge got was too light, and the fact that he’s been allowed out over the last years because of COVID, was on house arrest and now has been granted clemency, I think, is absolutely wrong. He should have been in prison for at least the 17 years that he was sentenced to by a jury of his peers. He deserves to be behind bars, not walking as a free man.”

Shapiro on Conahan: 'Biden got it absolutely wrong' | 28/22 News

That sucks, man.  I don't disagree with Biden's move all together- we have way too people incarcerated for non-violent crimes (worth doing a little research on penal labor and exploitation of incarcerated workers), but he would have done well to have had a team do a better job of screening who gets a pass and who doesn't. 

And as we all know, a much worse scenario of this type will be happening soon.  Perhaps you will be at least as critical of that as well.

If you’re referring to potential ridiculous pardons by Trump, I think all the other regulars here will make so many posts about them that you won’t need me to bring them up. 

That's not what I was asking/ wondering about.  Read again. 

Well I read it again. I have no idea what the “worse scenario of this type” is that you’re talking about. 

Freeing insurgents from 1/6/21.

Which would fall under “potential ridiculous pardons by Trump” wouldn’t it? Jesus Christ.  

You don't think he'll do it?  Watch. 
Buddha!

I don't think that's what he's saying. He's saying this forum will be flooded with criticism, there will be no need for him to discuss it.
Which I agree with. I'm not always critical of trump because there may be multiple pages on one thing he does, no need to add my 2 cents when its just repeating what been said 100 times.

I'm not sure what he is saying.

As for not wanting to add you comment on that issue, your prerogative, of course, but I don't think we can overstate how terrible Trump will (is already) going to handle things as POTIS again, starting with the release of those convicted insurgents.  Say it 1,000 time.  Make your voices heard.  This coming administration is going to be a catastrophe (and that's no hyperbole).

I agree out in the real world, more is better. But as for here on this forum, I often don't see the point in posting when it aligns with the majority and will get drowned out. We can sometimes go through several pages in a single day on a topic and it's impossible to follow along when everyone is just repeating each other. 
Anyway, pretty sure that's what Ledbetterman was referring to. I probably won't comment much if/when trump pardons the J6'ers for that reason. There will be 500 comments in a day here. Silence doesn't mean I agree with what happened, it just means I have nothing new to add. On the flip side, not much is being said about Biden's pardons. So makes sense to comment on those.

Obviously. 

This "conversation" is actually a good example of how I find it nearly impossible to conversate on this board.....

1) I comment on Biden's pardon of the Kids-For-Cash judge.

2) Brian has to bring up Trump even though this is the Biden thread and we're talking about Biden's pardons, but he doesn't even bring up Trump by name. He says "a much worse scenario of this type will be happening soon. Perhaps you will be at least as critical of that as well." 

3) Of course I assume he's referring to potential Trump pardons, but I can't be sure because he didn't just say it. So I say, "If you’re referring to potential ridiculous pardons by Trump, I think all the other regulars here will make so many posts about them that you won’t need me to bring them up." 

4) But he can't just say that he is talking about Trump pardons. Instead he says, "That's not what I was asking/wondering about.  Read again." 

5) I read it again but can't think of anything other than Trump pardons.

6) He replies "Freeing insurgents from 1/6/21."  So he was talking about Trump pardons, like I suggested. But I'm the one that needs to "read again." 

Sorry, I meant to edit that and include him by name (my name for him anyway: The Felon).  But did you really have to sweat over figuring that out?  I doubt it. 

Pretty much everything I say bothers you anyway and that's a bummer for you.  Maybe try the ignore feature.  You and I arguing with each other isn't going to change anything anyway.

Gern Blansten

mickeyrat said:

Michael Conahan now 72

served 9 years IN prison then furloughed to home confinement in 2020 due to covid.

was scheduled to be released in aug if 2026

what I wonder is generally what criteria is used to grant clemency. and if biden added or subtracted from that.

Yeah I'm seeing a lot of outrage about some of these but weren't they all like this and were on home confinement?

In this case it does seem odd to pardon him but the state already made it much easier on him.

mickeyrat

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

Michael Conahan now 72

served 9 years IN prison then furloughed to home confinement in 2020 due to covid.

was scheduled to be released in aug if 2026

what I wonder is generally what criteria is used to grant clemency. and if biden added or subtracted from that.

Yeah I'm seeing a lot of outrage about some of these but weren't they all like this and were on home confinement?

In this case it does seem odd to pardon him but the state already made it much easier on him.

pulled from an article from the 2020 time period in the times leader?

Attorney General William Barr issued memos in March and April prioritizing home confinement as a response to the pandemic, where appropriate, for at-risk, non-violent inmates to protect the health and safety of prison personnel and the incarcerated.

Barr’s March memo spelled out some of the discretionary factors, which included priority to inmates residing in low and minimum security facilities with a record of good behavior who are more vulnerable to coronavirus under Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) guidelines.

Inmates also must have a sound re-entry plan, and prisons must look at the crime that prompted incarceration and assess the danger inmates would pose to the community, the memo said.

Since the release of Barr’s March memo, the bureau has placed 4,413 inmates on home confinement, a 155% increase, the bureau website says.