#46 President Joe Biden

Merkin Baller

bootlegger10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

bootlegger10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I would tend to agree if trump was out of the picture, but he's currently the front runner for the GOP in '24. 

What are your plans if it comes down to him & Biden next year? 

I'd vote for Biden as Trump is a criminal and the other Republicans are in Crazy Town.  I won't like it because I think the far left is off the rails too.   My vote has never mattered though so I don't really have to put much thought into it.  

I don't love BIden, and wish we had younger and better options.& I agree, the guy's embarrassing at times but yeah... if we end up with the same options we had in 2020, it's a no brainer. 

I will point out that Biden's not on the far left though... & while we're at it, t's also fair to say the far left doesn't have nearly as much influence over the democratic party as the far right does the republicans right now. 

Agree that Biden hasn't been too aggressive with the far left policies.  Although, there have been a few things like student debt relief that don't seem right.  I would feel much better if the predatory lenders and predatory universities took that hit versus taxpayers.   Endowments too.  

The student loan thing is one policy that came to mind when I was typing that response... I agree with you there, and with your points about the lenders and universities. 

cblock4life

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Two questions- do you think Shapiro is ready and what do you think will happen if a Jew is in the Whitehouse?   

cblock4life

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Shapiro is sky rocketing towards the White House. I think he needs more than 7 months in as governor though. '28 is his time...hopefully there's another section of 95 that needs fixing towards the end of his term!

So what do you think will happen if Shapiro ever wins the Whitehouse

The Juggler

cblock4life said:

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Shapiro is sky rocketing towards the White House. I think he needs more than 7 months in as governor though. '28 is his time...hopefully there's another section of 95 that needs fixing towards the end of his term!

So what do you think will happen if Shapiro ever wins the Whitehouse

Judging by nothing other than first 7 months of governing my state, I think he'll do pretty well. He is definitely interesting in working across the aisle. I think his approval rating is around 60%, which is pretty crazy for 2023.

mrussel1

cblock4life said:

The Juggler said:

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Shapiro is sky rocketing towards the White House. I think he needs more than 7 months in as governor though. '28 is his time...hopefully there's another section of 95 that needs fixing towards the end of his term!

So what do you think will happen if Shapiro ever wins the Whitehouse

I think our space laser technology will be next level. 

mcgruff10

I just can’t believe in a country of approx 325 million people, our two choices could again be Biden and Trump.  There s got to be better candidates on each side.  

Halifax2TheMax

mcgruff10 said:

I just can’t believe in a country of approx 325 million people, our two choices could again be Biden and Trump.  There s got to be better candidates on each side.  

There are but who in their right mind wants to be stripped naked, have everything you’ve ever said or written, picture, dirt, transaction, relationship, business dealings,etc. combed over and exposed, and then lied about AND deal with the conspiracies and AI generated BS that you’ll have to endure, not to mention the vast sums of money raised, $1B+, to be viable. 

Politics has always been unseemly but POOTWH and his cult have taken it to a whole other level. The money, thanks Citizens United, and slander under the guise of “free speech” is disgusting.

brianlux

bootlegger10 said:

brianlux said:

Merkin Baller said:

bootlegger10 said:

Merkin Baller said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I would tend to agree if trump was out of the picture, but he's currently the front runner for the GOP in '24. 

What are your plans if it comes down to him & Biden next year? 

I'd vote for Biden as Trump is a criminal and the other Republicans are in Crazy Town.  I won't like it because I think the far left is off the rails too.   My vote has never mattered though so I don't really have to put much thought into it.  

I don't love BIden, and wish we had younger and better options.& I agree, the guy's embarrassing at times but yeah... if we end up with the same options we had in 2020, it's a no brainer. 

I will point out that Biden's not on the far left though... & while we're at it, t's also fair to say the far left doesn't have nearly as much influence over the democratic party as the far right does the republicans right now. 

For sure.  Saying Biden is far left is like saying I'm a better guitar player than Mike McCready.  Trust me, it ain't so. 

Nobody can be better at your style of guitar.  I play too, and I'm sure in some of the billions of alternate universes our playing is preferred over Mike's.  

Excellent point and no argument there!

So in that case, let me try a better analogy:

Saying Biden is far left is like saying I am 6' 2'' and 240 lbs.  Trust me, it ain't so. 

mace1229

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Biden isn’t even young enough to be a Boomer. That’s how old our options are right now

brianlux

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Biden isn’t even young enough to be a Boomer. That’s how old our options are right now

I don't understand why being 80 in of itself is automatically considered a liability.  Many people at that age do great things.  Some examples:

Buddy Guy, blues guitarist.  Buddy finished up his farewell tour this year at age 87 and still wowed crowds with his playing.

Wendell Berry, author, environmental activist, cultural critic.  Two years ago a friend of Mr. Berry's and highly regarded bookstore owner Ken Sanders told me, "Wendell Berry is one of if not the greatest living and working American author," and I agreed with him.  At that time, Mr. Berry was 87 years old (89 today and still writing.)

Sir Anthony Hopkins, actor, age 85.  Hopkins is still working and still highly regarded for his roles in recent years.

Ray Lux, now deceased, former moderator of the general assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA), and former Presbyterian Deacon.  In his early 90s, my father still served as a deacon for his church as was well respected for his contributions. 

Sure, not all elderly people are sharp as a tack, put I believe it's a mistake (and in some cases insulting) to automatically assume anyone over 80 years old is incompetent.

pjhawks

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Biden isn’t even young enough to be a Boomer. That’s how old our options are right now

I don't understand why being 80 in of itself is automatically considered a liability.  Many people at that age do great things.  Some examples:

Buddy Guy, blues guitarist.  Buddy finished up his farewell tour this year at age 87 and still wowed crowds with his playing.

Wendell Berry, author, environmental activist, cultural critic.  Two years ago a friend of Mr. Berry's and highly regarded bookstore owner Ken Sanders told me, "Wendell Berry is one of if not the greatest living and working American author," and I agreed with him.  At that time, Mr. Berry was 87 years old (89 today and still writing.)

Sir Anthony Hopkins, actor, age 85.  Hopkins is still working and still highly regarded for his roles in recent years.

Ray Lux, now deceased, former moderator of the general assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA), and former Presbyterian Deacon.  In his early 90s, my father still served as a deacon for his church as was well respected for his contributions. 

Sure, not all elderly people are sharp as a tack, put I believe it's a mistake (and in some cases insulting) to automatically assume anyone over 80 years old is incompetent.

I don't think he is incompetent but watching him walk these days...he has the look of pretty much being out of it.  can't imagine how he will look in 4 years.  I get he has to be the choice over orange man every day of the week and twice on Sunday but still...

brianlux

pjhawks said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Biden isn’t even young enough to be a Boomer. That’s how old our options are right now

I don't understand why being 80 in of itself is automatically considered a liability.  Many people at that age do great things.  Some examples:

Buddy Guy, blues guitarist.  Buddy finished up his farewell tour this year at age 87 and still wowed crowds with his playing.

Wendell Berry, author, environmental activist, cultural critic.  Two years ago a friend of Mr. Berry's and highly regarded bookstore owner Ken Sanders told me, "Wendell Berry is one of if not the greatest living and working American author," and I agreed with him.  At that time, Mr. Berry was 87 years old (89 today and still writing.)

Sir Anthony Hopkins, actor, age 85.  Hopkins is still working and still highly regarded for his roles in recent years.

Ray Lux, now deceased, former moderator of the general assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA), and former Presbyterian Deacon.  In his early 90s, my father still served as a deacon for his church as was well respected for his contributions. 

Sure, not all elderly people are sharp as a tack, put I believe it's a mistake (and in some cases insulting) to automatically assume anyone over 80 years old is incompetent.

I don't think he is incompetent but watching him walk these days...he has the look of pretty much being out of it.  can't imagine how he will look in 4 years.  I get he has to be the choice over orange man every day of the week and twice on Sunday but still...

Yeah, the problem is, Dems did not come up with a better alternative in 2020 and the Reps even worse (then and now), and the incumbent almost always runs for a second term.  I think Biden will do OK and thankfully he a decent team and good advisors. 

I agree that this country needs to start grooming some good younger leaders.  We need that badly!

mace1229

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Biden isn’t even young enough to be a Boomer. That’s how old our options are right now

I don't understand why being 80 in of itself is automatically considered a liability.  Many people at that age do great things.  Some examples:

Buddy Guy, blues guitarist.  Buddy finished up his farewell tour this year at age 87 and still wowed crowds with his playing.

Wendell Berry, author, environmental activist, cultural critic.  Two years ago a friend of Mr. Berry's and highly regarded bookstore owner Ken Sanders told me, "Wendell Berry is one of if not the greatest living and working American author," and I agreed with him.  At that time, Mr. Berry was 87 years old (89 today and still writing.)

Sir Anthony Hopkins, actor, age 85.  Hopkins is still working and still highly regarded for his roles in recent years.

Ray Lux, now deceased, former moderator of the general assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA), and former Presbyterian Deacon.  In his early 90s, my father still served as a deacon for his church as was well respected for his contributions. 

Sure, not all elderly people are sharp as a tack, put I believe it's a mistake (and in some cases insulting) to automatically assume anyone over 80 years old is incompetent.

How is age not a factor for most people? Not saying the elderly can’t do anything or are useless. But he’ll be 86 I think by the end of his second term. 

Being president is demanding. Your body becomes more fragile with age. A slip and fall can put you in the hospital for months at that age.
Buddy Guy has a rough week and he can retire tomorrow and never work again. Biden has a rough day and tomorrow still may be his most demanding day in his life. Buddy slips and falls at a show and some people get half a concert. Biden slips and falls and 325 million people can end up with a new president. Not saying it invalidates him, but how is that not something to consider?

brianlux

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Biden isn’t even young enough to be a Boomer. That’s how old our options are right now

I don't understand why being 80 in of itself is automatically considered a liability.  Many people at that age do great things.  Some examples:

Buddy Guy, blues guitarist.  Buddy finished up his farewell tour this year at age 87 and still wowed crowds with his playing.

Wendell Berry, author, environmental activist, cultural critic.  Two years ago a friend of Mr. Berry's and highly regarded bookstore owner Ken Sanders told me, "Wendell Berry is one of if not the greatest living and working American author," and I agreed with him.  At that time, Mr. Berry was 87 years old (89 today and still writing.)

Sir Anthony Hopkins, actor, age 85.  Hopkins is still working and still highly regarded for his roles in recent years.

Ray Lux, now deceased, former moderator of the general assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA), and former Presbyterian Deacon.  In his early 90s, my father still served as a deacon for his church as was well respected for his contributions. 

Sure, not all elderly people are sharp as a tack, put I believe it's a mistake (and in some cases insulting) to automatically assume anyone over 80 years old is incompetent.

How is age not a factor for most people? Not saying the elderly can’t do anything or are useless. But he’ll be 86 I think by the end of his second term. 

Being president is demanding. Your body becomes more fragile with age. A slip and fall can put you in the hospital for months at that age.
Buddy Guy has a rough week and he can retire tomorrow and never work again. Biden has a rough day and tomorrow still may be his most demanding day in his life. Buddy slips and falls at a show and some people get half a concert. Biden slips and falls and 325 million people can end up with a new president. Not saying it invalidates him, but how is that not something to consider?

I agree that it's a factor.  But the bigger factors are that Dems have not groomed a candidate beside Biden capable of being elected and Reps have only managed to offer up Trump and some other wackadoos to run for office, so there's your choice.  I'm choosing Biden and hoping for better choices next time.

Yes, the job is demanding, but the president has aids, and I think he will do OK until some younger AND qualified candidates are groomed.  Like I said, that has not happened in this country.  And of course it takes more than physical strength the be a good leader.  It also takes experience and gained wisdom.  At least Biden has that going for him. 

Welcome to the demise of the American Empire.

I'm also going to throw out yet again my most unpopular notion that countries (including ours) place too much emphasis and power on a single individual, be it president, prime minister, dictator, etc.  I've never been comfortable with so many huge decisions placed in the hands of a single person.  But, of course, that will never change

mrussel1

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Biden isn’t even young enough to be a Boomer. That’s how old our options are right now

I don't understand why being 80 in of itself is automatically considered a liability.  Many people at that age do great things.  Some examples:

Buddy Guy, blues guitarist.  Buddy finished up his farewell tour this year at age 87 and still wowed crowds with his playing.

Wendell Berry, author, environmental activist, cultural critic.  Two years ago a friend of Mr. Berry's and highly regarded bookstore owner Ken Sanders told me, "Wendell Berry is one of if not the greatest living and working American author," and I agreed with him.  At that time, Mr. Berry was 87 years old (89 today and still writing.)

Sir Anthony Hopkins, actor, age 85.  Hopkins is still working and still highly regarded for his roles in recent years.

Ray Lux, now deceased, former moderator of the general assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA), and former Presbyterian Deacon.  In his early 90s, my father still served as a deacon for his church as was well respected for his contributions. 

Sure, not all elderly people are sharp as a tack, put I believe it's a mistake (and in some cases insulting) to automatically assume anyone over 80 years old is incompetent.

How is age not a factor for most people? Not saying the elderly can’t do anything or are useless. But he’ll be 86 I think by the end of his second term. 

Being president is demanding. Your body becomes more fragile with age. A slip and fall can put you in the hospital for months at that age.
Buddy Guy has a rough week and he can retire tomorrow and never work again. Biden has a rough day and tomorrow still may be his most demanding day in his life. Buddy slips and falls at a show and some people get half a concert. Biden slips and falls and 325 million people can end up with a new president. Not saying it invalidates him, but how is that not something to consider?

I agree that it's a factor.  But the bigger factors are that Dems have not groomed a candidate beside Biden capable of being elected and Reps have only managed to offer up Trump and some other wackadoos to run for office, so there's your choice.  I'm choosing Biden and hoping for better choices next time.

Yes, the job is demanding, but the president has aids, and I think he will do OK until some younger AND qualified candidates are groomed.  Like I said, that has not happened in this country.  And of course it takes more than physical strength the be a good leader.  It also takes experience and gained wisdom.  At least Biden has that going for him. 

Welcome to the demise of the American Empire.

I'm also going to throw out yet again my most unpopular notion that countries (including ours) place too much emphasis and power on a single individual, be it president, prime minister, dictator, etc.  I've never been comfortable with so many huge decisions placed in the hands of a single person.  But, of course, that will never change

What's wrong with your governor?

mickeyrat

he is surrounded by good people , diligent at their jobs. He appears to be a good delegator. He has the skill and experience. Verbal flubs and minor missteps(relatively speaking) arent enough for me to suggest someone else.

brianlux

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Biden isn’t even young enough to be a Boomer. That’s how old our options are right now

I don't understand why being 80 in of itself is automatically considered a liability.  Many people at that age do great things.  Some examples:

Buddy Guy, blues guitarist.  Buddy finished up his farewell tour this year at age 87 and still wowed crowds with his playing.

Wendell Berry, author, environmental activist, cultural critic.  Two years ago a friend of Mr. Berry's and highly regarded bookstore owner Ken Sanders told me, "Wendell Berry is one of if not the greatest living and working American author," and I agreed with him.  At that time, Mr. Berry was 87 years old (89 today and still writing.)

Sir Anthony Hopkins, actor, age 85.  Hopkins is still working and still highly regarded for his roles in recent years.

Ray Lux, now deceased, former moderator of the general assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA), and former Presbyterian Deacon.  In his early 90s, my father still served as a deacon for his church as was well respected for his contributions. 

Sure, not all elderly people are sharp as a tack, put I believe it's a mistake (and in some cases insulting) to automatically assume anyone over 80 years old is incompetent.

How is age not a factor for most people? Not saying the elderly can’t do anything or are useless. But he’ll be 86 I think by the end of his second term. 

Being president is demanding. Your body becomes more fragile with age. A slip and fall can put you in the hospital for months at that age.
Buddy Guy has a rough week and he can retire tomorrow and never work again. Biden has a rough day and tomorrow still may be his most demanding day in his life. Buddy slips and falls at a show and some people get half a concert. Biden slips and falls and 325 million people can end up with a new president. Not saying it invalidates him, but how is that not something to consider?

I agree that it's a factor.  But the bigger factors are that Dems have not groomed a candidate beside Biden capable of being elected and Reps have only managed to offer up Trump and some other wackadoos to run for office, so there's your choice.  I'm choosing Biden and hoping for better choices next time.

Yes, the job is demanding, but the president has aids, and I think he will do OK until some younger AND qualified candidates are groomed.  Like I said, that has not happened in this country.  And of course it takes more than physical strength the be a good leader.  It also takes experience and gained wisdom.  At least Biden has that going for him. 

Welcome to the demise of the American Empire.

I'm also going to throw out yet again my most unpopular notion that countries (including ours) place too much emphasis and power on a single individual, be it president, prime minister, dictator, etc.  I've never been comfortable with so many huge decisions placed in the hands of a single person.  But, of course, that will never change

What's wrong with your governor?

Well, I think he would make a decent president but is he electable in a country so conservative as to have once elected Trump?  I don't know, but my concern is that he would be perceived as far to liberal.  He is obviously very electable in California, but on the national scene, I am concerned that his nomination would be handing the Republicans another seat in the White House and look what they have to offer so far! Ouch!

Another consideration (in my mind anyway) is environment.  I think there is a link between over-population and environment and the governor and his wife have four children and as far as I know the couple produced all four and none are adopted.  I don't find that to be setting a good example.  Don't get me wrong- I'm sure they are all fine people and I wish them all a long and happy life- but if they want a family that large, why not adopt? 

mrussel1

brianlux said:

mrussel1 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Biden isn’t even young enough to be a Boomer. That’s how old our options are right now

I don't understand why being 80 in of itself is automatically considered a liability.  Many people at that age do great things.  Some examples:

Buddy Guy, blues guitarist.  Buddy finished up his farewell tour this year at age 87 and still wowed crowds with his playing.

Wendell Berry, author, environmental activist, cultural critic.  Two years ago a friend of Mr. Berry's and highly regarded bookstore owner Ken Sanders told me, "Wendell Berry is one of if not the greatest living and working American author," and I agreed with him.  At that time, Mr. Berry was 87 years old (89 today and still writing.)

Sir Anthony Hopkins, actor, age 85.  Hopkins is still working and still highly regarded for his roles in recent years.

Ray Lux, now deceased, former moderator of the general assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA), and former Presbyterian Deacon.  In his early 90s, my father still served as a deacon for his church as was well respected for his contributions. 

Sure, not all elderly people are sharp as a tack, put I believe it's a mistake (and in some cases insulting) to automatically assume anyone over 80 years old is incompetent.

How is age not a factor for most people? Not saying the elderly can’t do anything or are useless. But he’ll be 86 I think by the end of his second term. 

Being president is demanding. Your body becomes more fragile with age. A slip and fall can put you in the hospital for months at that age.
Buddy Guy has a rough week and he can retire tomorrow and never work again. Biden has a rough day and tomorrow still may be his most demanding day in his life. Buddy slips and falls at a show and some people get half a concert. Biden slips and falls and 325 million people can end up with a new president. Not saying it invalidates him, but how is that not something to consider?

I agree that it's a factor.  But the bigger factors are that Dems have not groomed a candidate beside Biden capable of being elected and Reps have only managed to offer up Trump and some other wackadoos to run for office, so there's your choice.  I'm choosing Biden and hoping for better choices next time.

Yes, the job is demanding, but the president has aids, and I think he will do OK until some younger AND qualified candidates are groomed.  Like I said, that has not happened in this country.  And of course it takes more than physical strength the be a good leader.  It also takes experience and gained wisdom.  At least Biden has that going for him. 

Welcome to the demise of the American Empire.

I'm also going to throw out yet again my most unpopular notion that countries (including ours) place too much emphasis and power on a single individual, be it president, prime minister, dictator, etc.  I've never been comfortable with so many huge decisions placed in the hands of a single person.  But, of course, that will never change

What's wrong with your governor?

Well, I think he would make a decent president but is he electable in a country so conservative as to have once elected Trump?  I don't know, but my concern is that he would be perceived as far to liberal.  He is obviously very electable in California, but on the national scene, I am concerned that his nomination would be handing the Republicans another seat in the White House and look what they have to offer so far! Ouch!

Another consideration (in my mind anyway) is environment.  I think there is a link between over-population and environment and the governor and his wife have four children and as far as I know the couple produced all four and none are adopted.  I don't find that to be setting a good example.  Don't get me wrong- I'm sure they are all fine people and I wish them all a long and happy life- but if they want a family that large, why not adopt? 

I can't say whether he's too liberal or not.  I suppose that's for the voters to decide.  But I think he's a talented politician.  The way he dismantled Sean Hannity was very impressive, on Sean's own turf no less.  So I guess I'm disagreeing with your premise that the D's don't have a bench; they do.  They also have Whitmer, Shapiro and in a few more years, the very interesting MD governor Wes Moore.  He's black, went to Hopkins, was a Captain in the 182nd Airborne, and young (44).  He looks the part.  Watch out for this guy. 

Lerxst1992

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Biden isn’t even young enough to be a Boomer. That’s how old our options are right now

I don't understand why being 80 in of itself is automatically considered a liability.  Many people at that age do great things.  Some examples:

Buddy Guy, blues guitarist.  Buddy finished up his farewell tour this year at age 87 and still wowed crowds with his playing.

Wendell Berry, author, environmental activist, cultural critic.  Two years ago a friend of Mr. Berry's and highly regarded bookstore owner Ken Sanders told me, "Wendell Berry is one of if not the greatest living and working American author," and I agreed with him.  At that time, Mr. Berry was 87 years old (89 today and still writing.)

Sir Anthony Hopkins, actor, age 85.  Hopkins is still working and still highly regarded for his roles in recent years.

Ray Lux, now deceased, former moderator of the general assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA), and former Presbyterian Deacon.  In his early 90s, my father still served as a deacon for his church as was well respected for his contributions. 

Sure, not all elderly people are sharp as a tack, put I believe it's a mistake (and in some cases insulting) to automatically assume anyone over 80 years old is incompetent.

How is age not a factor for most people? Not saying the elderly can’t do anything or are useless. But he’ll be 86 I think by the end of his second term. 

Being president is demanding. Your body becomes more fragile with age. A slip and fall can put you in the hospital for months at that age.
Buddy Guy has a rough week and he can retire tomorrow and never work again. Biden has a rough day and tomorrow still may be his most demanding day in his life. Buddy slips and falls at a show and some people get half a concert. Biden slips and falls and 325 million people can end up with a new president. Not saying it invalidates him, but how is that not something to consider?

Not sure this presidential daily schedule from 2019 validates the bold, and this is likely a busy day,

mace1229

Lerxst1992 said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

mace1229 said:

mrussel1 said:

pjhawks said:

mrussel1 said:

bootlegger10 said:

Biden reminds me of GW in that after his term we were ready to get a President like Obama that sounded professional.  Even mentioning his kitchen fire when hundreds have died is a good example.  It is a gaffe and doesn't disqualify someone to be president, but it doesn't give me a lot of confidence that this is the guy really running the show.  

Just a statement.  Trump is an outlier President in my lifetime and not someone to compare future President's against.  

I agree.  It's time for Joe to retire.  He's had a great career.  I'd like Shapiro, Whitmer or Newsome to be the next. 

I think Vivek is a fraud.

Agree but not sure those 3 could beat orange man at this point.

I think either of those three would smoke Trump at this point.  Putting someone up that isn't an aging boomer is worth 2-4% of Independents right off the bat.  Plus the MI and PA governors are popular in their state, locking in key electoral votes.  

Biden isn’t even young enough to be a Boomer. That’s how old our options are right now

I don't understand why being 80 in of itself is automatically considered a liability.  Many people at that age do great things.  Some examples:

Buddy Guy, blues guitarist.  Buddy finished up his farewell tour this year at age 87 and still wowed crowds with his playing.

Wendell Berry, author, environmental activist, cultural critic.  Two years ago a friend of Mr. Berry's and highly regarded bookstore owner Ken Sanders told me, "Wendell Berry is one of if not the greatest living and working American author," and I agreed with him.  At that time, Mr. Berry was 87 years old (89 today and still writing.)

Sir Anthony Hopkins, actor, age 85.  Hopkins is still working and still highly regarded for his roles in recent years.

Ray Lux, now deceased, former moderator of the general assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA), and former Presbyterian Deacon.  In his early 90s, my father still served as a deacon for his church as was well respected for his contributions. 

Sure, not all elderly people are sharp as a tack, put I believe it's a mistake (and in some cases insulting) to automatically assume anyone over 80 years old is incompetent.

How is age not a factor for most people? Not saying the elderly can’t do anything or are useless. But he’ll be 86 I think by the end of his second term. 

Being president is demanding. Your body becomes more fragile with age. A slip and fall can put you in the hospital for months at that age.
Buddy Guy has a rough week and he can retire tomorrow and never work again. Biden has a rough day and tomorrow still may be his most demanding day in his life. Buddy slips and falls at a show and some people get half a concert. Biden slips and falls and 325 million people can end up with a new president. Not saying it invalidates him, but how is that not something to consider?

Not sure this presidential daily schedule from 2019 validates the bold, and this is likely a busy day,

The demanding schedules are the ones that aren’t planned.
being woken up in the middle of the night to watch a secret mission unfold or to be told of a terrorist attack and make split seconds decisions wouldn’t be on your daily schedule. 

I would imagine the travel schedule of making a 12 hour flight to make an international meeting that’s equally to 3 AM DC time has got to be exhausting. Took me a week to get over the keg lag when I flew to Europe.