#46 President Joe Biden

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mrussel1 said:
    cincybearcat said:
    So I guess back on topic.

    Biden-

    2 weeks. Someone actually working and doing the job. Let’s all keep in mind that no matter if you disagree with policy here, it’s a million times better to have someone at the wheel again.

    my biggest positives are the covid work. Lots left to do because the vaccine process is not good right now. It’s not awful but it’s not good. And making it state to state makes everything worse when some 35 year old is getting it in one place while a 73 year old that will most likely die if they get covid still can’t get it others.

    Biggest negative is the covid. ;). The covid $ package. Some good, some strange (why minimum wage included?), and some debatably wasted $.  But again, glad to be discussing what’s not great about what we are doing Vs not doing anything.

    There will be plenty I disagree with about Joe and his work. I still think he has some personal flaws which in a normal year might have kept me from voting for him. But I’m glad he is doing the job. I don’t expect him to be perfect, but if he does the best we can do re:covid, well, then he is being effective.
    I’m 99% sure the min wage is off the table.  First, the parliamentarian will likely disallow it from going through reconciliation.  Second, Manchin has indicated he won’t support.  That means an R would have to support.  Doubtful.
    IMO it just belongs in a different discussion.

    I’m pretty sure I heard Joe on an interview...being aired Sunday but they played teasers...say he knew he wasn’t get it through.
    I agree it doesn’t belong in the COVID relief bill.  Of course this means it will never happen, which is unfortunate.  I support more of an indexed min wage, rather than 15 across the board, but the current is far too low.  
    Yes an indexed one makes too much sense to happen. 
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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    cincybearcat said:
    So I guess back on topic.

    Biden-

    2 weeks. Someone actually working and doing the job. Let’s all keep in mind that no matter if you disagree with policy here, it’s a million times better to have someone at the wheel again.

    my biggest positives are the covid work. Lots left to do because the vaccine process is not good right now. It’s not awful but it’s not good. And making it state to state makes everything worse when some 35 year old is getting it in one place while a 73 year old that will most likely die if they get covid still can’t get it others.

    Biggest negative is the covid. ;). The covid $ package. Some good, some strange (why minimum wage included?), and some debatably wasted $.  But again, glad to be discussing what’s not great about what we are doing Vs not doing anything.

    There will be plenty I disagree with about Joe and his work. I still think he has some personal flaws which in a normal year might have kept me from voting for him. But I’m glad he is doing the job. I don’t expect him to be perfect, but if he does the best we can do re:covid, well, then he is being effective.

    Totally agree.  It's great to have a POTUS like Biden who takes the job seriously.  He hit the ground running and is doing a fine job so far.  Yes, there will be things we disagree on, but like you say, that's normal.  And I like it that he's focusing some of the work on normalizing foreign policy again.

    All in all, it feels like we are already living in more normal times.  And with Biden's hard work on the virus, we might see much more positive movement this year.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    So I guess back on topic.

    Biden-

    2 weeks. Someone actually working and doing the job. Let’s all keep in mind that no matter if you disagree with policy here, it’s a million times better to have someone at the wheel again.

    my biggest positives are the covid work. Lots left to do because the vaccine process is not good right now. It’s not awful but it’s not good. And making it state to state makes everything worse when some 35 year old is getting it in one place while a 73 year old that will most likely die if they get covid still can’t get it others.

    Biggest negative is the covid. ;). The covid $ package. Some good, some strange (why minimum wage included?), and some debatably wasted $.  But again, glad to be discussing what’s not great about what we are doing Vs not doing anything.

    There will be plenty I disagree with about Joe and his work. I still think he has some personal flaws which in a normal year might have kept me from voting for him. But I’m glad he is doing the job. I don’t expect him to be perfect, but if he does the best we can do re:covid, well, then he is being effective.

    Totally agree.  It's great to have a POTUS like Biden who takes the job seriously.  He hit the ground running and is doing a fine job so far.  Yes, there will be things we disagree on, but like you say, that's normal.  And I like it that he's focusing some of the work on normalizing foreign policy again.

    All in all, it feels like we are already living in more normal times.  And with Biden's hard work on the virus, we might see much more positive movement this year.
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    So I guess back on topic.

    Biden-

    2 weeks. Someone actually working and doing the job. Let’s all keep in mind that no matter if you disagree with policy here, it’s a million times better to have someone at the wheel again.

    my biggest positives are the covid work. Lots left to do because the vaccine process is not good right now. It’s not awful but it’s not good. And making it state to state makes everything worse when some 35 year old is getting it in one place while a 73 year old that will most likely die if they get covid still can’t get it others.

    Biggest negative is the covid. ;). The covid $ package. Some good, some strange (why minimum wage included?), and some debatably wasted $.  But again, glad to be discussing what’s not great about what we are doing Vs not doing anything.

    There will be plenty I disagree with about Joe and his work. I still think he has some personal flaws which in a normal year might have kept me from voting for him. But I’m glad he is doing the job. I don’t expect him to be perfect, but if he does the best we can do re:covid, well, then he is being effective.

    Totally agree.  It's great to have a POTUS like Biden who takes the job seriously.  He hit the ground running and is doing a fine job so far.  Yes, there will be things we disagree on, but like you say, that's normal.  And I like it that he's focusing some of the work on normalizing foreign policy again.

    All in all, it feels like we are already living in more normal times.  And with Biden's hard work on the virus, we might see much more positive movement this year.
    Fingers crossed 
    hippiemom = goodness
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/06/politics/what-matters-february-5/index.html

    This is not a good trend. I understand how we got here and it’s just a symptom of a broken system...but man this is not a good trend
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,820
    cincybearcat said:
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/06/politics/what-matters-february-5/index.html

    This is not a good trend. I understand how we got here and it’s just a symptom of a broken system...but man this is not a good trend

    would guess half of Bidens are rescinding fucksticks orders, no?
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  • mrussel1
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    mickeyrat said:
    cincybearcat said:
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/06/politics/what-matters-february-5/index.html

    This is not a good trend. I understand how we got here and it’s just a symptom of a broken system...but man this is not a good trend

    would guess half of Bidens are rescinding fucksticks orders, no?
    Yes.  I wouldn't get hung up on the pace.  Let's see where we sit in six months,  not two weeks. 
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    mrussel1 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    cincybearcat said:
    https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/06/politics/what-matters-february-5/index.html

    This is not a good trend. I understand how we got here and it’s just a symptom of a broken system...but man this is not a good trend

    would guess half of Bidens are rescinding fucksticks orders, no?
    Yes.  I wouldn't get hung up on the pace.  Let's see where we sit in six months,  not two weeks. 
    Oh I’m sure I know that’s part of it. But that’s the problem. Not using congress and actually creating laws. It’s the trend the presidency has been moving in. It’s not a good one.
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  • mickeyrat
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,469
    The guy who had his house and property plastered in trump flags, banners and signs finally took his last No More Bullshit flag down and replaced it with this:


    What an idiot.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    edited February 2021
    tbergs said:
    The guy who had his house and property plastered in trump flags, banners and signs finally took his last No More Bullshit flag down and replaced it with this:


    What an idiot.
    Classy. I would wish dementia on any....wait....no it’s too awful. Nobody. Even idiots that hang flags like this
    Post edited by cincybearcat on
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    edited February 2021
    cincybearcat said:
    tbergs said:
    The guy who had his house and property plastered in trump flags, banners and signs finally took his last No More Bullshit flag down and replaced it with this:


    What an idiot.
    Classy. I would wish dementia on any....wait....no it’s too awful
    You might want an edit there ... :whistle:

    Post edited by oftenreading on
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    edited February 2021
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    tbergs said:
    The guy who had his house and property plastered in trump flags, banners and signs finally took his last No More Bullshit flag down and replaced it with this:


    What an idiot.
    Classy. I would wish dementia on any....wait....no it’s too awful. Nobody. Even idiots that hang fags like this
    You might want an edit there ... :whistle:

    Wow...iPhone typing sucks for me!

    that’s no autocorrect cause I don’t think I’ve ever typed that.
    Post edited by cincybearcat on
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,820
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    tbergs said:
    The guy who had his house and property plastered in trump flags, banners and signs finally took his last No More Bullshit flag down and replaced it with this:


    What an idiot.
    Classy. I would wish dementia on any....wait....no it’s too awful. Nobody. Even idiots that hang fLags like this
    You might want an edit there ... :whistle:


    maybe you should edit within yours too....
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,895
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    tbergs said:
    The guy who had his house and property plastered in trump flags, banners and signs finally took his last No More Bullshit flag down and replaced it with this:


    What an idiot.
    Classy. I would wish dementia on any....wait....no it’s too awful. Nobody. Even idiots that hang fLags like this
    You might want an edit there ... :whistle:


    maybe you should edit within yours too....
    Uh yeah please. Man..no idea what happened. There goes my political career
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    cincybearcat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    tbergs said:
    The guy who had his house and property plastered in trump flags, banners and signs finally took his last No More Bullshit flag down and replaced it with this:


    What an idiot.
    Classy. I would wish dementia on any....wait....no it’s too awful. Nobody. Even idiots that hang fLags like this
    You might want an edit there ... :whistle:


    maybe you should edit within yours too....
    Uh yeah please. Man..no idea what happened. There goes my political career
    Done. 

    And you didn’t want that senate seat anyway. 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,469
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    oftenreading said:
    cincybearcat said:
    tbergs said:
    The guy who had his house and property plastered in trump flags, banners and signs finally took his last No More Bullshit flag down and replaced it with this:


    What an idiot.
    Classy. I would wish dementia on any....wait....no it’s too awful. Nobody. Even idiots that hang fLags like this
    You might want an edit there ... :whistle:


    maybe you should edit within yours too....
    Uh yeah please. Man..no idea what happened. There goes my political career
    Done. 

    And you didn’t want that senate seat anyway. 
    Probably an advantage if he's running for Prez though.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    edited February 2021
    Like the Mouse Police, the thread police never sleeps!

    Yes, I had to edit that.  :lol:

    Post edited by brianlux on
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,922
    CBO releases analysis on $15 min wage by 2025.  It's a mixed bag.  Helps some but net job loss.  

    Increasing the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2025, from the current $7.25 an hour level, as President Biden has called for, would cut employment by 1.4 million and reduce the number of Americans below the poverty line by 900,000, according to a study released by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office on Monday.

    The cumulative federal budget deficit from 2021 to 2031 would increase by $54 billion if a $15 federal minimum was enacted because higher prices for goods and services would contribute to an increase in federal spending, the report found. Government spending on nutrition supplements would fall, but that would be offset by increased spending on Social Security benefits, unemployment benefits and health-care programs, the CBO said.

    The report found enrollment in Medicaid, health care for low-income Americans, would fall because many workers would earn more, but program costs would increase to higher prices for medical services.

    Economic output would be reduced slightly, primary because of decreased employment, CBO said.

  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,677
    mrussel1 said:
    CBO releases analysis on $15 min wage by 2025.  It's a mixed bag.  Helps some but net job loss.  

    Increasing the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2025, from the current $7.25 an hour level, as President Biden has called for, would cut employment by 1.4 million and reduce the number of Americans below the poverty line by 900,000, according to a study released by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office on Monday.

    The cumulative federal budget deficit from 2021 to 2031 would increase by $54 billion if a $15 federal minimum was enacted because higher prices for goods and services would contribute to an increase in federal spending, the report found. Government spending on nutrition supplements would fall, but that would be offset by increased spending on Social Security benefits, unemployment benefits and health-care programs, the CBO said.

    The report found enrollment in Medicaid, health care for low-income Americans, would fall because many workers would earn more, but program costs would increase to higher prices for medical services.

    Economic output would be reduced slightly, primary because of decreased employment, CBO said.


    I have yet to hear anyone beside myself suggest a more flexible wage schedule.   My plan would be to increase minimum wage to a living wage for full-time workers and base that wage on cost of living according to where one lives (cost of living varies a great deal in varying parts of the country).  I would also give exceptions to minimum wage for students or elderly wanting a part-time job to make a little extra money or have something to do.  Why should a small business owner pay minimum wages to a senior who wants a part time job to supplement his or her retirement or social security or just to have something to give him or herself a sense of purpose?  Or to a student who just wants some work experience and some money to buy records and lattes?  I mean, seriously, it's very hard to keep a small business running as it it without having to deal with increased payroll given to people working who do not need a living wage.


    Why is this issue being looked at in black and white?  Why is there so little common sense being applied to this issue?  No wonder people get frustrated with government.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,922
    brianlux said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CBO releases analysis on $15 min wage by 2025.  It's a mixed bag.  Helps some but net job loss.  

    Increasing the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour by 2025, from the current $7.25 an hour level, as President Biden has called for, would cut employment by 1.4 million and reduce the number of Americans below the poverty line by 900,000, according to a study released by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office on Monday.

    The cumulative federal budget deficit from 2021 to 2031 would increase by $54 billion if a $15 federal minimum was enacted because higher prices for goods and services would contribute to an increase in federal spending, the report found. Government spending on nutrition supplements would fall, but that would be offset by increased spending on Social Security benefits, unemployment benefits and health-care programs, the CBO said.

    The report found enrollment in Medicaid, health care for low-income Americans, would fall because many workers would earn more, but program costs would increase to higher prices for medical services.

    Economic output would be reduced slightly, primary because of decreased employment, CBO said.


    I have yet to hear anyone beside myself suggest a more flexible wage schedule.   My plan would be to increase minimum wage to a living wage for full-time workers and base that wage on cost of living according to where one lives (cost of living varies a great deal in varying parts of the country).  I would also give exceptions to minimum wage for students or elderly wanting a part-time job to make a little extra money or have something to do.  Why should a small business owner pay minimum wages to a senior who wants a part time job to supplement his or her retirement or social security or just to have something to give him or herself a sense of purpose?  Or to a student who just wants some work experience and some money to buy records and lattes?  I mean, seriously, it's very hard to keep a small business running as it it without having to deal with increased payroll given to people working who do not need a living wage.


    Why is this issue being looked at in black and white?  Why is there so little common sense being applied to this issue?  No wonder people get frustrated with government.
    I'm a fan of indexed Min Wage.  Maybe something like 4 or 5 tiers based on the cost of living in an area.  You can't really do it at the state level because rural to urban is so different.  But it's a hard thing to do, it's hard to build and hard to manage.  I know there is a counter from Manchin out there for $11.  That's better than we have today and maybe not as disruptive as a huge jump to $15.

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