Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,467
    Biden
    Who's going to this....

    McEnany predicts 'quite large' turnout at 'Million MAGA March' in DC 
    https://thehill.com/homenews/news/525673-mcenany-expects-turnout-to-be-quite-large-at-million-maga-march
  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,393
    Bahahahahahaha!

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  • DewieCox
    DewieCox Posts: 11,432
    edited November 2020
    Anybody know someone that’s taken part in the Walk Away campaign? I’m guessing it’s bubkiss too. Trucker strike? Only stuff I’ve seen on social media is truckers talking about how unAmerican it is. 
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  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,267
    Bentleyspop said:
    Who's going to this....

    McEnany predicts 'quite large' turnout at 'Million MAGA March' in DC 
    https://thehill.com/homenews/news/525673-mcenany-expects-turnout-to-be-quite-large-at-million-maga-march
    And I predict a BIG spike in the Virus.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Biden
    cutz said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Who's going to this....

    McEnany predicts 'quite large' turnout at 'Million MAGA March' in DC 
    https://thehill.com/homenews/news/525673-mcenany-expects-turnout-to-be-quite-large-at-million-maga-march
    And I predict a BIG spike in the Virus.
    Talk about a waste of a day.  My daughter lives up there.  She's coming home tomorrow morning.  Wants no part of that.  
  • cutz
    cutz Posts: 12,267
    mrussel1 said:
    cutz said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Who's going to this....

    McEnany predicts 'quite large' turnout at 'Million MAGA March' in DC 
    https://thehill.com/homenews/news/525673-mcenany-expects-turnout-to-be-quite-large-at-million-maga-march
    And I predict a BIG spike in the Virus.
    Talk about a waste of a day.  My daughter lives up there.  She's coming home tomorrow morning.  Wants no part of that.  
    A waste of a day is right.

    Good, and smart, move by your daughter. 

    I read there will be a counter protest and the Proud Boys will also be there. What could possibly go wrong?
  • dankind
    dankind Posts: 20,841
    I'm sitting this one out
    mrussel1 said:
    So here's some of the first analysis on the voting.  There's quite a but and some of it seems contradictory.  But in general, it looks like Trump made inroads with some minorities, especially Black men and Asians.  Biden cut into men a bit and ran up the score on women.  No real surprises.  Trump consolidated the R vote even more effectively than in 16.  Never Trumpers probably didn't help.  However, what stands out to me is that Biden won moderates and Indy's by 12 points, after Clinton lost them.  There are some other interesting tidbits, including Biden's success with Catholics.  That's very important in states like PA and MI which are VERY Catholic heavy.  
    There's not much on how very conservative or very liberal voted, so it's hard to say where that played, but it appears the Biden strategy really worked, regarding tacking to the center from start to finish. 

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/elections/exit-polls-changes-2016-2020/?itid=hp-banner-main
    You can likely include very liberal in with those independent gains for Biden-Harris. In addition to winning moderates because, well, he's a moderate (always has been), I think the campaign also won over most of the very liberal independent voters because instead of ignoring their existence, the Biden-Harris campaign's policy proposals actually reached out to and incorporporated some of the wishes of this sect more than Clinton-Kaine, which just sort of brushed them off as a another basket of not deplorables so much as lost causes.

    Anecdotally, which ain't worth much but a brief mention, I've seen quite a few (very liberal folks, that is, imho) on AMT claim that they would or did vote for Biden. Not sure if those same folks pulled the lever for Clinton-Kaine.
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  • static111
    static111 Posts: 5,110
    edited November 2020
    Biden
    dankind said:
    mrussel1 said:
    So here's some of the first analysis on the voting.  There's quite a but and some of it seems contradictory.  But in general, it looks like Trump made inroads with some minorities, especially Black men and Asians.  Biden cut into men a bit and ran up the score on women.  No real surprises.  Trump consolidated the R vote even more effectively than in 16.  Never Trumpers probably didn't help.  However, what stands out to me is that Biden won moderates and Indy's by 12 points, after Clinton lost them.  There are some other interesting tidbits, including Biden's success with Catholics.  That's very important in states like PA and MI which are VERY Catholic heavy.  
    There's not much on how very conservative or very liberal voted, so it's hard to say where that played, but it appears the Biden strategy really worked, regarding tacking to the center from start to finish. 

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/elections/exit-polls-changes-2016-2020/?itid=hp-banner-main
    You can likely include very liberal in with those independent gains for Biden-Harris. In addition to winning moderates because, well, he's a moderate (always has been), I think the campaign also won over most of the very liberal independent voters because instead of ignoring their existence, the Biden-Harris campaign's policy proposals actually reached out to and incorporporated some of the wishes of this sect more than Clinton-Kaine, which just sort of brushed them off as a another basket of not deplorables so much as lost causes.

    Anecdotally, which ain't worth much but a brief mention, I've seen quite a few (very liberal folks, that is, imho) on AMT claim that they would or did vote for Biden. Not sure if those same folks pulled the lever for Clinton-Kaine.
    My wife and I are (edit) leftists (edit) that would not under normal circumstances vote for Biden.   We did this time,  partially due to his actually addressing and reaching out to the left....Joe’s turn to the left was really only our secondary concern.  The reason we donated to campaigns and volunteered any time was because we wanted literally anyone that wasn’t Donald Trump to win.  4 more years of Trump would have been a disaster.  People are celebrating the historic turnout and Joe Biden’s record setting vote count, but the reality is if Trump wasn’t such a complete and utter disaster we wouldn’t have broken any records.
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  • JOEJOEJOE
    JOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,825
    Gern Blansten said:
    Here are a few recent situations I have encountered with some of my clients (I'm a CPA)

    1. Guy panicked at the end of October....thought that Biden was going to win and market would tank.  He liquidated his investment account and generated $620K in taxable capital gains.  $220K in short term (ordinary income tax rate) and the rest long term.  

    2. Guy comes in yesterday and wants to liquidate his 401k balance of around $90K so that he can pay off the mortgage balance on his rental property.  He is convinced that his taxes are going up (he makes about $150K/year) and fears that he won't have a renter when Biden takes over.  I am trying to convince him that his mortgage rate of roughly 4% is really closer to 3% once the tax savings is accounted for and that he is likely making more than 5% rate of return in his 401k.  Why pay a 10% penalty (to be around $9K) and pay 30% tax (versus possibly 10% in retirement) on the 401k balance now?  

    3. Lady is selling a rental property in early 2021 that will have a $20K capital gain.  She had previously asked if she should do a like kind exchange to avoid tax on the gain but told me at the time that she didn't really want another rental property.  Today she contacted me and said that she heard the capital gains rate is going up to 39% when Biden takes over so she wants to do the like kind exchange.

    It's getting close to impossible to advise people in this fucking environment.
    I have some clients who have made drastic moves.....one moved his family to another state because he feared for the safety of his adopted children who are of a certain minority group.  The same client also was thinking of moving to New Zealand if Trump had won again.

    Come December, we will probably advise our clients to accelerate income into 2020 in preparation of tax rates possibly rising in 2021.

    The favorable long term capital gains rate has been around for a long time.  I don't see it going anyhere.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Biden
    JOEJOEJOE said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    Here are a few recent situations I have encountered with some of my clients (I'm a CPA)

    1. Guy panicked at the end of October....thought that Biden was going to win and market would tank.  He liquidated his investment account and generated $620K in taxable capital gains.  $220K in short term (ordinary income tax rate) and the rest long term.  

    2. Guy comes in yesterday and wants to liquidate his 401k balance of around $90K so that he can pay off the mortgage balance on his rental property.  He is convinced that his taxes are going up (he makes about $150K/year) and fears that he won't have a renter when Biden takes over.  I am trying to convince him that his mortgage rate of roughly 4% is really closer to 3% once the tax savings is accounted for and that he is likely making more than 5% rate of return in his 401k.  Why pay a 10% penalty (to be around $9K) and pay 30% tax (versus possibly 10% in retirement) on the 401k balance now?  

    3. Lady is selling a rental property in early 2021 that will have a $20K capital gain.  She had previously asked if she should do a like kind exchange to avoid tax on the gain but told me at the time that she didn't really want another rental property.  Today she contacted me and said that she heard the capital gains rate is going up to 39% when Biden takes over so she wants to do the like kind exchange.

    It's getting close to impossible to advise people in this fucking environment.
    I have some clients who have made drastic moves.....one moved his family to another state because he feared for the safety of his adopted children who are of a certain minority group.  The same client also was thinking of moving to New Zealand if Trump had won again.

    Come December, we will probably advise our clients to accelerate income into 2020 in preparation of tax rates possibly rising in 2021.

    The favorable long term capital gains rate has been around for a long time.  I don't see it going anyhere.
    I don't see the tax rates changing until the after mid terms.  But then they expire in 2024 anyway. 
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,562
    Biden
    Sheldon Adelson’s Las Vegas Review-Journal twice endorsed Trump. Now it’s advising him to admit he lost. - The Washington Post


    Sheldon Adelson’s Las Vegas Review-Journal twice endorsed Trump. Now it’s advising him to admit he lost.

    Sheldon and Miriam Adelson await President Trumps arrival at a February campaign rally in Las Vegas Evan VucciAP
    Sheldon and Miriam Adelson await President Trump's arrival at a February campaign rally in Las Vegas. (Evan Vucci/AP)
    November 12, 2020 at 4:06 p.m. EST

    In October 2016, the Las Vegas Review-Journal was the first major newspaper to endorse then-candidate Donald Trump for president. While Trump “represents neither the danger his critics claim nor the magic elixir many of his supporters crave,” the editorial page wrote, he promised to disrupt the status quo in Washington by bringing a “corporate sensibility and a steadfast determination to an ossified Beltway culture."

    Four years later, the Review-Journal — owned by Trump supporter and Republican megadonor Sheldon Adelson — is advising Trump that he did indeed lose the 2020 presidential race and that he should start cooperating with Joe Biden’s transition team.

    “President Donald Trump seeks to delay the inevitable,” reads the headline of the editorial, which appeared in print Thursday and published online Wednesday night. “It is too fitting that the Trump presidency concludes amid a babel of bluster and bravado,” the unbylined authors, representing the viewpoint of the paper’s management, wrote. “But the president does a disservice to his more rabid supporters by insisting that he would have won the Nov. 3 election absent voter fraud. That’s simply false.”

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    The editorial goes on to state that “there is no evidence” that fraud cost Trump the election, “no matter how much the president tweets the opposite and his supporters wish it so.”

    Other newspapers have also run editorials demanding Trump stop peddling mass fraud claims without evidence, but the advice from the Review-Journal drew attention well beyond Las Vegas in part because of Adelson’s ownership of the newspaper.

    The billionaire Las Vegas casino magnate, who stealthily bought the paper in December 2015, has been a steadfast Trump backer and the top Republican donor through the past two presidential election seasons. He and his wife, physician Miriam Adelson, poured $183 million into the 2020 cycle, including giving $75 million to a pro-Trump super PAC in late August. But Politico reported in August that Trump had a contentious phone call with Sheldon Adelson, in which the president criticized the billionaire for not doing enough to help his reelection.

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    Previously, the Trump White House had bestowed official accolades on the Adelsons, including the widely criticized move of giving Miriam Adelson a Presidential Medal of Freedom — the nation’s highest civilian honor — citing her philanthropy and research in narcotics addiction.

    This week’s Review-Journal editorial does sound a somewhat sympathetic tone to Trump, writing that his campaign is “within its rights” to ask for recounts and that Trump “faced an overtly hostile press” and an anti-Trump political establishment.

    But then it offered a reality check: “Mr. Trump lost this election because he ultimately didn’t attract enough votes and failed to win a handful of swing states that broke his way in 2016.”

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    “An electoral system that involves the participation of 150 million Americans will have its share of issues, but it’s an insult to reason and logic to argue that isolated irregularities constitute proof of a grand national conspiracy,” it continues. The editorial also noted one of the most obvious signs there wasn’t a national conspiracy to steal votes for Trump: Democrats underperformed in House races, and the Senate may very well remain in Republican control under Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.).

    The editorial acknowledged Trump is unlikely to stop fighting the results, but “he has nothing to lose” by cooperating with President-elect Biden’s transition team, and the former vice president “deserves the same consideration” offered to Trump in 2016 by then-President Barack Obama.

    The Review-Journal is the largest newspaper in Nevada, where the Trump campaign has claimed thousands voted improperly, while offering no credible evidence. Most news organizations projected on Saturday that Biden will win Nevada’s six electoral votes. As of Thursday, Biden leads Trump by more than 36,000 votes.

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    While a handful of newspapers endorsed Trump in 2016 prior to the Review-Journal, the Nevada newspaper was the first with a circulation of over 100,000 to do so. It also endorsed Trump in 2020.

    It’s unclear what role exactly Adelson played in this week’s editorial. (The newspaper’s publisher declined to comment). But a 2015 Review-Journal editorial explored how the editorial page could change after Adelson’s purchase, noting that the page has long had a libertarian/conservative tilt and presidential endorsements would probably not change.

    “Newspaper owners aren’t supposed to interfere with news content. But it’s perfectly appropriate for them to seize full control of the editorial page and steer the philosophy of their editorial board,” it said. “The Las Vegas Review-Journal’s editorial page can become his family’s personal soap box, if that’s what they want.”






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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Biden
    Bentleyspop said:
    Who's going to this....

    McEnany predicts 'quite large' turnout at 'Million MAGA March' in DC 
    https://thehill.com/homenews/news/525673-mcenany-expects-turnout-to-be-quite-large-at-million-maga-march
    The refuse fascism counter at BLM plaza is where the real real will be occurring...
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Biden
    Lame Duck?  NAH... Lame Fuck.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Biden
    ikiT said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    Who's going to this....

    McEnany predicts 'quite large' turnout at 'Million MAGA March' in DC 
    https://thehill.com/homenews/news/525673-mcenany-expects-turnout-to-be-quite-large-at-million-maga-march
    The refuse fascism counter at BLM plaza is where the real real will be occurring...
    And we'll all be super impressed by the futility of the "MAGA rally".  When it changes a vote, wake me.
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,222
    Biden
    remember the maga boat rally where those boats sank?

    this will end up like that. 

    one of the armed ones may even shoot himself in the dick just to show these people he means business.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,222
    Biden
    shoot your own dick.

    to own the libs.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • brianlux
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    Biden
    Ouch!  :lol: 
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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,562
    Biden


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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,887
    Biden
    mickeyrat said:


    Haha.... classic
  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    Biden
    mickeyrat said:


    Love it.
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