Biden vs Trump 2020 - vote now and discuss!

Spiritual_Chaos

I'm sitting this one out

cutz said:

MayDay10 said:

dimitrispearljam said:

is there gonna be a live streaming while trump  packing from white house?

There is word that he will not concede the election.  There is going to be all sorts of legal challenges and bullshit posturing.  Possibly even violence in the streets.  

Ultimately, there is nothing he can do.  It is going to be more that 1 state's-worth margin.   He would have to get a ton of votes thrown out in several states (and there has been no claims that seem valid or egregious, nor any evidence)

https://twitter.com/nowthisnews/status/1324525155662491649

How could he win, over her. Haha. Man.

OnWis97

Biden

mace1229 said:

OnWis97 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

these local and state officials basically telling trump to stop being such a baby are priceless. 

They are also probably the same ones who protested the vote 4 years ago, begged the EC not to vote for him and protested his inauguration. I find that funny too. I think this is going to be the new standard. When you lose, whine about it for days.

Pin that on someone or the claim is just as baseless at Trump's fraud claims.  For example, the mayor of Philly said Trump needs to put on his "big boy pants." Did he do any of this last time?

Am I the only one who remembers the protests? The commercials trying to educate the EC and the public that they don't have to actually vote for Trump. Congress skipping his inauguration in protest? It was 4 years ago, I don't remember specific names. But I just find it funny people are like "You lost Trump, move on, stop whining about it," after what happened 4 years ago.
I think he should stop whining, stop making public accusations unless he has proof to back it up. He is embarrassing most of the time when he speaks. I still find it amusing now that the tables are turned so has the attitude of "accept the results and move on."

I remember the calls for faithless electors...but it was mostly liberal Hollywood. I don't recall any mayors or governors saying it. And Hillary herself took it far better than Trump's taking it.  But I guess the GOP has a chance to be the bigger party right now. Let's see how that goes...

I can only speak for myself but I accepted the results.  I knew it was a disaster. But it was what it was.

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

mace1229 said:

OnWis97 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

these local and state officials basically telling trump to stop being such a baby are priceless. 

They are also probably the same ones who protested the vote 4 years ago, begged the EC not to vote for him and protested his inauguration. I find that funny too. I think this is going to be the new standard. When you lose, whine about it for days.

Pin that on someone or the claim is just as baseless at Trump's fraud claims.  For example, the mayor of Philly said Trump needs to put on his "big boy pants." Did he do any of this last time?

Am I the only one who remembers the protests? The commercials trying to educate the EC and the public that they don't have to actually vote for Trump. Congress skipping his inauguration in protest? It was 4 years ago, I don't remember specific names. But I just find it funny people are like "You lost Trump, move on, stop whining about it," after what happened 4 years ago.
I think he should stop whining, stop making public accusations unless he has proof to back it up. He is embarrassing most of the time when he speaks. I still find it amusing now that the tables are turned so has the attitude of "accept the results and move on."

I remember the protests by private citizens. I don't have cable so saw none of the EC commercials (unless you're talking about robert deniro). i do recall some in congress skipping his inauguration. that isn't the same as trying to overturn the election and claiming fraud and basically inciting violence. 

there was ACTUAL evidence of him being helped by putin to get elected. there is still proof that his campaign conspired with russia to get it done. 

I don't see it as the same thing. 

cutz

MayDay10 said:

I wonder if there is a strong voice in the republican party (or maybe even in his inner circle) who are advising Trump to drop this.  

Fighting the election results is incredibly unpatriotic.  It is over and Trump will either walk out or be dragged out.  The only difference is what happens in between.  We are in a state of national emergency still.  We are horrifically divided and will only get to the flashpoint if Trump keeps throwing matches on it.  This does not serve anyone except himself, and it is a net-negative for the Republican Party as a whole.  

Any chance of holding any sort of dignified presence in history books will be spoiled forever.

Any chance he'll go out like this ?

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1324422303145512960

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

these local and state officials basically telling trump to stop being such a baby are priceless. 

They are also probably the same ones who protested the vote 4 years ago, begged the EC not to vote for him and protested his inauguration. I find that funny too. I think this is going to be the new standard. When you lose, whine about it for days.

i don't recall any democratic public officials saying any of that. pundits and celebrities, absolutely. 

You don't think an unusually high number of democratic congress saying in advance they will not attend his inauguration is a form of protest? It was reported more than 1/3 of house dems boycotted the inauguration in protest. I consider that a protest to his election, and on the same level as saying he shouldn't be sworn in.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/dozens-congressional-dems-boycott-trump-inaugural-msna945056

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

OnWis97 said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

these local and state officials basically telling trump to stop being such a baby are priceless. 

They are also probably the same ones who protested the vote 4 years ago, begged the EC not to vote for him and protested his inauguration. I find that funny too. I think this is going to be the new standard. When you lose, whine about it for days.

Pin that on someone or the claim is just as baseless at Trump's fraud claims.  For example, the mayor of Philly said Trump needs to put on his "big boy pants." Did he do any of this last time?

Am I the only one who remembers the protests? The commercials trying to educate the EC and the public that they don't have to actually vote for Trump. Congress skipping his inauguration in protest? It was 4 years ago, I don't remember specific names. But I just find it funny people are like "You lost Trump, move on, stop whining about it," after what happened 4 years ago.
I think he should stop whining, stop making public accusations unless he has proof to back it up. He is embarrassing most of the time when he speaks. I still find it amusing now that the tables are turned so has the attitude of "accept the results and move on."

I remember the protests by private citizens. I don't have cable so saw none of the EC commercials (unless you're talking about robert deniro). i do recall some in congress skipping his inauguration. that isn't the same as trying to overturn the election and claiming fraud and basically inciting violence. 

there was ACTUAL evidence of him being helped by putin to get elected. there is still proof that his campaign conspired with russia to get it done. 

I don't see it as the same thing. 

The Roger Stone pardoning alone should eliminate any doubt that there was something there, but just like Trump's election fraud commission that was unable to come up with any instances of election fraud, people forget that it even happened.

josevolution

cutz said:

MayDay10 said:

I wonder if there is a strong voice in the republican party (or maybe even in his inner circle) who are advising Trump to drop this.  

Fighting the election results is incredibly unpatriotic.  It is over and Trump will either walk out or be dragged out.  The only difference is what happens in between.  We are in a state of national emergency still.  We are horrifically divided and will only get to the flashpoint if Trump keeps throwing matches on it.  This does not serve anyone except himself, and it is a net-negative for the Republican Party as a whole.  

Any chance of holding any sort of dignified presence in history books will be spoiled forever.

Any chance he'll go out like this ?

https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1324422303145512960

Never he can’t ever be like a good human being ! He’s a deplorable lunatic that should of never been elected in the 1st place..

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

these local and state officials basically telling trump to stop being such a baby are priceless. 

They are also probably the same ones who protested the vote 4 years ago, begged the EC not to vote for him and protested his inauguration. I find that funny too. I think this is going to be the new standard. When you lose, whine about it for days.

i don't recall any democratic public officials saying any of that. pundits and celebrities, absolutely. 

You don't think an unusually high number of democratic congress saying in advance they will not attend his inauguration is a form of protest? It was reported more than 1/3 of house dems boycotted the inauguration in protest. I consider that a protest to his election, and on the same level as saying he shouldn't be sworn in.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/dozens-congressional-dems-boycott-trump-inaugural-msna945056

well, yes, i do recall that now. but that wasn't being a sore loser. that was protesting a rapist and con man being sworn in as president. there would not have been any of that had ted cruz or marco rubio won. that was about trump, not a republican president. 

cutz

Spiritual_Chaos said:

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1324749283657220097?s=20

https://twitter.com/CoreyRForrester/status/1324165448762576905

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

i imagine trump's proof of voter fraud will be coming "very soon, likely in the next two weeks or so". 

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

these local and state officials basically telling trump to stop being such a baby are priceless. 

They are also probably the same ones who protested the vote 4 years ago, begged the EC not to vote for him and protested his inauguration. I find that funny too. I think this is going to be the new standard. When you lose, whine about it for days.

i don't recall any democratic public officials saying any of that. pundits and celebrities, absolutely. 

You don't think an unusually high number of democratic congress saying in advance they will not attend his inauguration is a form of protest? It was reported more than 1/3 of house dems boycotted the inauguration in protest. I consider that a protest to his election, and on the same level as saying he shouldn't be sworn in.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/dozens-congressional-dems-boycott-trump-inaugural-msna945056

well, yes, i do recall that now. but that wasn't being a sore loser. that was protesting a rapist and con man being sworn in as president. there would not have been any of that had ted cruz or marco rubio won. that was about trump, not a republican president. 

I don't think that matters if you like the guy or not. I think all should publicly respect the process. They were a sore loser 4 years ago. Trump and his team are being sore losers now. He should be quiet about it (we all know that wouldn't happen, but he still should) his only statement should be to wait until all states are finalized, which will buy him until the end of the week. And privately be telling all his people to look into all the rumors that have been floating around about late ballots, ballot dumps, whatever. And if he finds a confirmed case of something illegitimate, then go make his appeal publicly. If they don't find anything, accept the results, give a mediocre congratulations speech to Biden, and move on. That's what he should do, we know it won't happen. 

Parksy

Biden

I'll say this after four years of Trump... the man has become remarkably predictable. I keep asking on the forum here and it still boggles my mind and will boggle my mind for a long time.....How do people, citizens not politicians, still support this guy?   I keep seeing that people should be celebrating in America because of the voter turnout.  

70,000,000 people voted for Donald Trump.  Let that sink in for a moment. 

"Yeah, but we got great turnout!!"  

Uhhhhhhhhhhh. Ok.  I can't even think of a clever comparison that would be both funny and yet quite depressing with regards to being happy about the turnout.  70 Million.  A razor thin victory.  A country so remarkably divided. 

America, you're still an embarrassment. (Sorry)  

I still thank you for the quality music, sports, and television you provide. (Thanks) 

MayDay10

Biden

Parksy said:

I'll say this after four years of Trump... the man has become remarkably predictable. I keep asking on the forum here and it still boggles my mind and will boggle my mind for a long time.....How do people, citizens not politicians, still support this guy?   I keep seeing that people should be celebrating in America because of the voter turnout.  

70,000,000 people voted for Donald Trump.  Let that sink in for a moment. 

"Yeah, but we got great turnout!!"  

Uhhhhhhhhhhh. Ok.  I can't even think of a clever comparison that would be both funny and yet quite depressing with regards to being happy about the turnout.  70 Million.  A razor thin victory.  A country so remarkably divided. 

America, you're still an embarrassment. (Sorry)  

I still thank you for the quality music, sports, and television you provide. (Thanks) 

A huge section is the anti-abortion ghouls that will vote for the Republican by default.  Republicans dont even really care about abortion, its just a carrot to lock in an automatic swathe of voters.  Its the only thing that has kept the party afloat for a couple decades.

cutz

OnWis97 said:

I know I have the potential to dwell on this annoyingly, so I'll bring this up only once until (and only if) it becomes a more pressing issue...does Biden ever get inaugurated. There are three potential scenarios:

• Biden gets inaugurated
• "Faithless Electors" either switch the vote to Trump or don't show up. The latter moves the election to state house delegations, which lean GQP 27 to 23 or so.
• Barr earns his money and the SCOTUS members earn their seats by finding a "legal challenge."

Last time I post about this until at least such time as the rest of you start to think it's possible...I think there's a 50/50 chance Biden gets inaugurated.

What if a US presidential candidate refuses to concede after an election?

https://youtu.be/WZWRhLW7Y8w

mace1229

HughFreakingDillon said:

i imagine trump's proof of voter fraud will be coming "very soon, likely in the next two weeks or so". 

It'll come out with his tax returns. 

josevolution

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

these local and state officials basically telling trump to stop being such a baby are priceless. 

They are also probably the same ones who protested the vote 4 years ago, begged the EC not to vote for him and protested his inauguration. I find that funny too. I think this is going to be the new standard. When you lose, whine about it for days.

i don't recall any democratic public officials saying any of that. pundits and celebrities, absolutely. 

You don't think an unusually high number of democratic congress saying in advance they will not attend his inauguration is a form of protest? It was reported more than 1/3 of house dems boycotted the inauguration in protest. I consider that a protest to his election, and on the same level as saying he shouldn't be sworn in.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/dozens-congressional-dems-boycott-trump-inaugural-msna945056

well, yes, i do recall that now. but that wasn't being a sore loser. that was protesting a rapist and con man being sworn in as president. there would not have been any of that had ted cruz or marco rubio won. that was about trump, not a republican president. 

I don't think that matters if you like the guy or not. I think all should publicly respect the process. They were a sore loser 4 years ago. Trump and his team are being sore losers now. He should be quiet about it (we all know that wouldn't happen, but he still should) his only statement should be to wait until all states are finalized, which will buy him until the end of the week. And privately be telling all his people to look into all the rumors that have been floating around about late ballots, ballot dumps, whatever. And if he finds a confirmed case of something illegitimate, then go make his appeal publicly. If they don't find anything, accept the results, give a mediocre congratulations speech to Biden, and move on. That's what he should do, we know it won't happen. 

They were protesting the fact the his campaign was aided by a foreign adversary and everyone knew it! The GOP knew it DNC knew it every intelligence agency knew and all failed to step in and stand up for democracy...

Parksy

Biden

MayDay10 said:

Parksy said:

I'll say this after four years of Trump... the man has become remarkably predictable. I keep asking on the forum here and it still boggles my mind and will boggle my mind for a long time.....How do people, citizens not politicians, still support this guy?   I keep seeing that people should be celebrating in America because of the voter turnout.  

70,000,000 people voted for Donald Trump.  Let that sink in for a moment. 

"Yeah, but we got great turnout!!"  

Uhhhhhhhhhhh. Ok.  I can't even think of a clever comparison that would be both funny and yet quite depressing with regards to being happy about the turnout.  70 Million.  A razor thin victory.  A country so remarkably divided. 

America, you're still an embarrassment. (Sorry)  

I still thank you for the quality music, sports, and television you provide. (Thanks) 

A huge section is the anti-abortion ghouls that will vote for the Republican by default.  Republicans dont even really care about abortion, its just a carrot to lock in an automatic swathe of voters.  Its the only thing that has kept the party afloat for a couple decades.

These things I certainly get.  A fellow or two........ maybe perhaps you... Danke!......  mentioned this in a post months ago and as a Canadian I kind of thought... geeze, we have (mostly) free abortions, universal health care, strict gun laws.  The three pillars of what I see keeps Dems and Republicans apart.  I never saw the difference between Canucks and Americans as much as I do now with Trump.  And I'm certainly not trying to paint you all with the same brush here, but I mean.. Trump. 

With Trump... and I say this with a degree of hope mixed with certainty....  even a Canadian who was all for less government, pro-life, pro gun.  And there are many Canadians who certainly would like that....   if a candidate arrived who supported all three of those items but acted in a manner such as Trump, that Canadian would not support him and would likely not vote for him.  That's obviously my opinion but I believe that. At some point, morality, principles, and ethics in it's most basic forms should over shadow any kind of policy issue. 

And then I look at your evangelicals and Fox news 'crazies' like Tucker Carlson and THAT is where I see such a difference between the two countries.  

One of Canada's most beloved figures (I think he was once nominated to be one of Canada's Greatest People) Don Cherry was canned from his gig for crossing a line and being xenophobic.  It caused a bit of a stir and a divide in Canada... for a bit. But most of us understood and we moved on.  Trump has said and acted 1000 times worse than him.... and 70,000,000 Americans voted for him this election. Blows my mind as a Canadian. 

The positive thing I see is most of the folks on here and through my social medias...  but uh, I really feel bad for you all. This is ugly. 

HughFreakingDillon

Biden

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

mace1229 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

these local and state officials basically telling trump to stop being such a baby are priceless. 

They are also probably the same ones who protested the vote 4 years ago, begged the EC not to vote for him and protested his inauguration. I find that funny too. I think this is going to be the new standard. When you lose, whine about it for days.

i don't recall any democratic public officials saying any of that. pundits and celebrities, absolutely. 

You don't think an unusually high number of democratic congress saying in advance they will not attend his inauguration is a form of protest? It was reported more than 1/3 of house dems boycotted the inauguration in protest. I consider that a protest to his election, and on the same level as saying he shouldn't be sworn in.
https://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/dozens-congressional-dems-boycott-trump-inaugural-msna945056

well, yes, i do recall that now. but that wasn't being a sore loser. that was protesting a rapist and con man being sworn in as president. there would not have been any of that had ted cruz or marco rubio won. that was about trump, not a republican president. 

I don't think that matters if you like the guy or not. I think all should publicly respect the process. They were a sore loser 4 years ago. Trump and his team are being sore losers now. He should be quiet about it (we all know that wouldn't happen, but he still should) his only statement should be to wait until all states are finalized, which will buy him until the end of the week. And privately be telling all his people to look into all the rumors that have been floating around about late ballots, ballot dumps, whatever. And if he finds a confirmed case of something illegitimate, then go make his appeal publicly. If they don't find anything, accept the results, give a mediocre congratulations speech to Biden, and move on. That's what he should do, we know it won't happen. 

it wasn't about "liking the guy". i think there was enough information about him, knowing all the allegations, how everyone thought he was compromised and/or nefarious himself; how do you respect that for the highest office in the land/world? there was legitimate concern that he was going to seriously fuck up your country or let someone else do it. 

if there was anything to a dem president on that scale, i'd be saying the same thing. 

Halifax2TheMax

HughFreakingDillon said:

i imagine trump's proof of voter fraud will be coming "very soon, likely in the next two weeks or so". 

Along with his healthcare plan? Or the indictments of Hillary, Obama and Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden?

F Me In The Brain

Biden

Parksy said:

MayDay10 said:

Parksy said:

I'll say this after four years of Trump... the man has become remarkably predictable. I keep asking on the forum here and it still boggles my mind and will boggle my mind for a long time.....How do people, citizens not politicians, still support this guy?   I keep seeing that people should be celebrating in America because of the voter turnout.  

70,000,000 people voted for Donald Trump.  Let that sink in for a moment. 

"Yeah, but we got great turnout!!"  

Uhhhhhhhhhhh. Ok.  I can't even think of a clever comparison that would be both funny and yet quite depressing with regards to being happy about the turnout.  70 Million.  A razor thin victory.  A country so remarkably divided. 

America, you're still an embarrassment. (Sorry)  

I still thank you for the quality music, sports, and television you provide. (Thanks) 

A huge section is the anti-abortion ghouls that will vote for the Republican by default.  Republicans dont even really care about abortion, its just a carrot to lock in an automatic swathe of voters.  Its the only thing that has kept the party afloat for a couple decades.

These things I certainly get.  A fellow or two........ maybe perhaps you... Danke!......  mentioned this in a post months ago and as a Canadian I kind of thought... geeze, we have (mostly) free abortions, universal health care, strict gun laws.  The three pillars of what I see keeps Dems and Republicans apart.  I never saw the difference between Canucks and Americans as much as I do now with Trump.  And I'm certainly not trying to paint you all with the same brush here, but I mean.. Trump. 

With Trump... and I say this with a degree of hope mixed with certainty....  even a Canadian who was all for less government, pro-life, pro gun.  And there are many Canadians who certainly would like that....   if a candidate arrived who supported all three of those items but acted in a manner such as Trump, that Canadian would not support him and would likely not vote for him.  That's obviously my opinion but I believe that. At some point, morality, principles, and ethics in it's most basic forms should over shadow any kind of policy issue. 

And then I look at your evangelicals and Fox news 'crazies' like Tucker Carlson and THAT is where I see such a difference between the two countries.  

One of Canada's most beloved figures (I think he was once nominated to be one of Canada's Greatest People) Don Cherry was canned from his gig for crossing a line and being xenophobic.  It caused a bit of a stir and a divide in Canada... for a bit. But most of us understood and we moved on.  Trump has said and acted 1000 times worse than him.... and 70,000,000 Americans voted for him this election. Blows my mind as a Canadian. 

The positive thing I see is most of the folks on here and through my social medias...  but uh, I really feel bad for you all. This is ugly. 

Are you worrying about how people take you saying that Canadians are, on the whole, nicer and, on the whole, more caring and principled people?

Don't.

You are.

Every day of the week.

Almost half of this country is absolute garbage.  Garbage morality, garbage principles, garbage ethics....garbage people.

(Nothing against trash collectors.)

There -- now an American said it. 

Many Americans are wonderful people.  Not nearly as high a percentage as our neighbors to the north, imo.