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Glorified KCGlorified KC Posts: 2,616
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My feeling (and I think some others may share my opinion) is that Superblood Wolfmoon sounds like a track that could have been included on Backspacer.  So I decided to infuse it into Backspacer, but then take it a step forward.  I replaced one track with SBWM and re-ordered the tracklisting, mainly because I've always felt in the back of my mind some of these tracks belonged in different spots.  My replacement was "The End" because I really wanted to see how Just Breathe fits as a closer and I'm loving it there.


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  • DosimetricPJFanDosimetricPJFan Posts: 76
    edited February 2020
    SBWM is far superior to  anything on BS imo, and I like BP. My Bad, typo
    Post edited by DosimetricPJFan on
  • Glorified KCGlorified KC Posts: 2,616
    I've had Backspacer at the bottom of my studio albums for quite a while now, but SBWM really picks it up.  I think part of my issue with Backspacer was the track order.  When I dig into the songs, I really enjoy them.  It's still bottom third for me, but I think I've underestimated Backspacer.
    I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,110
    DosimetricPJFan said:
    SBWM is far superior to  anything on BP imo, and I like BP

    Is BP your abbreviation for Backspacer?

    If so, I can offer a dissenting opinion on your opinion that Superblood Wolfmoon is far superior to anything on Backspacer.

    Here is how I would slot Superblood Wolfmoon in order with the tracks from Backspacer, based on my own opinion:

    1. Got Some
    2. Amongst The Waves
    3. Gonna See My Friend
    4. Unthought Known
    5. The End
    6. The Fixer
    7. Force of Nature
    8. Supersonic
    9. Johnny Guitar
    10. Just Breathe
    11. Superblood Wolfmoon
    12. Speed of Sound
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  • Glorified KCGlorified KC Posts: 2,616
    F Me In The Brain said:
    DosimetricPJFan said:
    SBWM is far superior to  anything on BP imo, and I like BP

    Is BP your abbreviation for Backspacer?

    If so, I can offer a dissenting opinion on your opinion that Superblood Wolfmoon is far superior to anything on Backspacer.

    Here is how I would slot Superblood Wolfmoon in order with the tracks from Backspacer, based on my own opinion:

    1. Got Some
    2. Amongst The Waves
    3. Gonna See My Friend
    4. Unthought Known
    5. The End
    6. The Fixer
    7. Force of Nature
    8. Supersonic
    9. Johnny Guitar
    10. Just Breathe
    11. Superblood Wolfmoon
    12. Speed of Sound
    I had a tough time moving "The End" to any other spot but last.  That song really is "The End" of any track list I can think of.  I just like Just Breathe more at the end.

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  • pledgeagrievancepledgeagrievance Posts: 2,842
    I definitely got Backspacer vibes from SBWM. I’ve always liked BS and it ages better and better. I throw it on the turntable a lot. But, the track list has never struck me as of but I like both posters new track lists. The album that seems off is Binaural. They really screwed that one up. The original would have been incredible 
     
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,680
    Backspacer is lean and fun.   SBWM fits.  
  • SomethingCreativeSomethingCreative Posts: 3,371
    I love doing these... I’m at work so I’m kinda just going off memory of how the songs end (fade vs no fade).  I included Pendulum since it first came about during the Backspacer sessions.

    Gonna see my friend
    Johnny Guitar
    The Fixer
    Amongst the waves
    Pendulum
    Got Some
    SBWM
    Unthought Known
    Just Breathe
    Force of Nature
    The End
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,110
    cdthomas1981 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    DosimetricPJFan said:
    SBWM is far superior to  anything on BP imo, and I like BP

    Is BP your abbreviation for Backspacer?

    If so, I can offer a dissenting opinion on your opinion that Superblood Wolfmoon is far superior to anything on Backspacer.

    Here is how I would slot Superblood Wolfmoon in order with the tracks from Backspacer, based on my own opinion:

    1. Got Some
    2. Amongst The Waves
    3. Gonna See My Friend
    4. Unthought Known
    5. The End
    6. The Fixer
    7. Force of Nature
    8. Supersonic
    9. Johnny Guitar
    10. Just Breathe
    11. Superblood Wolfmoon
    12. Speed of Sound
    I had a tough time moving "The End" to any other spot but last.  That song really is "The End" of any track list I can think of.  I just like Just Breathe more at the end.


    :lol:  You do not care for the song?

    Has an incredibly special spot for me - I bet I have not listened to it (aside from background playing) in over a year.  Hits me hard, every time.
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  • JT_JamFanJT_JamFan Posts: 170
    F Me In The Brain said:
    DosimetricPJFan said:
    SBWM is far superior to  anything on BP imo, and I like BP

    Is BP your abbreviation for Backspacer?

    If so, I can offer a dissenting opinion on your opinion that Superblood Wolfmoon is far superior to anything on Backspacer.

    Here is how I would slot Superblood Wolfmoon in order with the tracks from Backspacer, based on my own opinion:

    1. Got Some
    2. Amongst The Waves
    3. Gonna See My Friend
    4. Unthought Known
    5. The End
    6. The Fixer
    7. Force of Nature
    8. Supersonic
    9. Johnny Guitar
    10. Just Breathe
    11. Superblood Wolfmoon
    12. Speed of Sound
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  • FlyTheW2016FlyTheW2016 Posts: 36
    cdthomas1981 said:
    I've had Backspacer at the bottom of my studio albums for quite a while now, but SBWM really picks it up.  I think part of my issue with Backspacer was the track order.  When I dig into the songs, I really enjoy them.  It's still bottom third for me, but I think I've underestimated Backspacer.
    I agree with underestimating Backspacer, I'm guilty of this too. Whenever I rank albums it has to go somewhere so typically it's bottom third. However, when I listen front to back, I can't help but think "should this be higher on my list?" 
  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,586
    FlyTheW2016 said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    I've had Backspacer at the bottom of my studio albums for quite a while now, but SBWM really picks it up.  I think part of my issue with Backspacer was the track order.  When I dig into the songs, I really enjoy them.  It's still bottom third for me, but I think I've underestimated Backspacer.
    I agree with underestimating Backspacer, I'm guilty of this too. Whenever I rank albums it has to go somewhere so typically it's bottom third. However, when I listen front to back, I can't help but think "should this be higher on my list?" 
    I think it's a good, quick listen. I can listen to the whole album on my commute and still want to start it over again on the way home. Nothing drags like on LB. It's still not better than anything before it, but it's an easier listen than Binaural, No Code and Riot Act. Those albums put me in a deep thinking mood and have some weight to the lyrics. Overall, BS, is light and upbeat in it's tones and sound, aside from The End.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • FlyTheW2016FlyTheW2016 Posts: 36
    tbergs said:
    FlyTheW2016 said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    I've had Backspacer at the bottom of my studio albums for quite a while now, but SBWM really picks it up.  I think part of my issue with Backspacer was the track order.  When I dig into the songs, I really enjoy them.  It's still bottom third for me, but I think I've underestimated Backspacer.
    I agree with underestimating Backspacer, I'm guilty of this too. Whenever I rank albums it has to go somewhere so typically it's bottom third. However, when I listen front to back, I can't help but think "should this be higher on my list?" 
    I think it's a good, quick listen. I can listen to the whole album on my commute and still want to start it over again on the way home. Nothing drags like on LB. It's still not better than anything before it, but it's an easier listen than Binaural, No Code and Riot Act. Those albums put me in a deep thinking mood and have some weight to the lyrics. Overall, BS, is light and upbeat in it's tones and sound, aside from The End.
    Great points. I think of BS as a summer record. I don't wanna be weighed down I just wanna rock. 

    The End just cuts through me emotionally though so I respect it's emotional output even if it doesn't match the upbeat nature of the album.

  • Glorified KCGlorified KC Posts: 2,616
    F Me In The Brain said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    DosimetricPJFan said:
    SBWM is far superior to  anything on BP imo, and I like BP

    Is BP your abbreviation for Backspacer?

    If so, I can offer a dissenting opinion on your opinion that Superblood Wolfmoon is far superior to anything on Backspacer.

    Here is how I would slot Superblood Wolfmoon in order with the tracks from Backspacer, based on my own opinion:

    1. Got Some
    2. Amongst The Waves
    3. Gonna See My Friend
    4. Unthought Known
    5. The End
    6. The Fixer
    7. Force of Nature
    8. Supersonic
    9. Johnny Guitar
    10. Just Breathe
    11. Superblood Wolfmoon
    12. Speed of Sound
    I had a tough time moving "The End" to any other spot but last.  That song really is "The End" of any track list I can think of.  I just like Just Breathe more at the end.


    :lol:  You do not care for the song?

    Has an incredibly special spot for me - I bet I have not listened to it (aside from background playing) in over a year.  Hits me hard, every time.
    I like the song, I just can't put it anywhere other than "The End." :)
    "The End" is a good closer, but it's not high on my list (Indifference, All Those Yesterdays, Release, All Or None) for a closer.  I think Just Breathe works even better as a closer.  After I displace "The End" from the end, it doesn't fit anywhere else for me.  I could replace it on an album with a weaker closer, e.g. LB.
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,110
    cdthomas1981 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    cdthomas1981 said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    DosimetricPJFan said:
    SBWM is far superior to  anything on BP imo, and I like BP

    Is BP your abbreviation for Backspacer?

    If so, I can offer a dissenting opinion on your opinion that Superblood Wolfmoon is far superior to anything on Backspacer.

    Here is how I would slot Superblood Wolfmoon in order with the tracks from Backspacer, based on my own opinion:

    1. Got Some
    2. Amongst The Waves
    3. Gonna See My Friend
    4. Unthought Known
    5. The End
    6. The Fixer
    7. Force of Nature
    8. Supersonic
    9. Johnny Guitar
    10. Just Breathe
    11. Superblood Wolfmoon
    12. Speed of Sound
    I had a tough time moving "The End" to any other spot but last.  That song really is "The End" of any track list I can think of.  I just like Just Breathe more at the end.


    :lol:  You do not care for the song?

    Has an incredibly special spot for me - I bet I have not listened to it (aside from background playing) in over a year.  Hits me hard, every time.
    I like the song, I just can't put it anywhere other than "The End." :)
    "The End" is a good closer, but it's not high on my list (Indifference, All Those Yesterdays, Release, All Or None) for a closer.  I think Just Breathe works even better as a closer.  After I displace "The End" from the end, it doesn't fit anywhere else for me.  I could replace it on an album with a weaker closer, e.g. LB.

    Makes sense!
    (Although I prefer it to All or None.  ;))
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,269
    Parting Ways just stopped in to say "where is the love"? One of the most underappreciated songs in the catalogue, and one of my favorite live performances. Hoping for a little more No Code and Binaural on this tour than usual.
  • Glorified KCGlorified KC Posts: 2,616
    I am sorry Parting Ways, I do enjoy you, just not as much as the aforementioned closers on my list. 
    1. Indifference
    2. All Those Yesterdays
    3. Release
    4. All Or None
    5. Around the Bend
    6. Inside Job
    7. Parting Ways
    8. The End
    9. Future Days
    10. Stupid Mop
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,269
    The funny thing about lists is how much thought the person creating one puts into it only to be picked apart so quickly by others. Here is to hoping the studio version of River Cross will crack your top 5!
  • Glorified KCGlorified KC Posts: 2,616
    JW269453 said:
    The funny thing about lists is how much thought the person creating one puts into it only to be picked apart so quickly by others. Here is to hoping the studio version of River Cross will crack your top 5!
    If I didn't have thick skin, I wouldn't have put myself out there!  I hope River Cross ranks high as well.  Cannot wait for Gigaton.

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  • FlyTheW2016FlyTheW2016 Posts: 36
    cdthomas1981 said:
    I am sorry Parting Ways, I do enjoy you, just not as much as the aforementioned closers on my list. 
    1. Indifference
    2. All Those Yesterdays
    3. Release
    4. All Or None
    5. Around the Bend
    6. Inside Job
    7. Parting Ways
    8. The End
    9. Future Days
    10. Stupid Mop
    I like this exercise:

    1) Indifference
    2) Release
    3) Parting Ways
    4) Inside Job
    5) All or None
    6) The End
    7) All Those Yesterdays
    8) Future Days
    9) Stupidmop
    10) Around the Bend-before lighting the torches and grabbing the pitchforks: Around the bend is a great song, but I can't listen to it because it makes me think of an unpleasant experience in my life.
  • Dr.Teeth and the Electric MayhDr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh Posts: 1,180
    Hmm... would probably go
    The End
    Release
    All Those Yesterdays
    Inside Job
    Indifference
    Around the Bend
    Parting Ways
    All or None
    Stupid Mop
    Future Days
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  • mshnaydermshnayder Posts: 106
    I'm at least glad it seems like we're done pretending backspacer is this awful album when it's really quite solid. 
  • Glorified KCGlorified KC Posts: 2,616
    There is no such thing as an awful PJ album.
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  • RS151862RS151862 Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 2,640
    cdthomas1981 said:
    There is no such thing as an awful PJ album.
    Some are just significantly better than others.
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  • KN219077KN219077 Posts: 1,071
    mshnayder said:
    I'm at least glad it seems like we're done pretending backspacer is this awful album when it's really quite solid. 
    It’s uneven, it has its high points but the bad songs are just so much worse than pretty much any of the other songs that made it onto pj albums.
  • Glorified KCGlorified KC Posts: 2,616
    KN219077 said:
    mshnayder said:
    I'm at least glad it seems like we're done pretending backspacer is this awful album when it's really quite solid. 
    It’s uneven, it has its high points but the bad songs are just so much worse than pretty much any of the other songs that made it onto pj albums.
    I can agree with the opinion of it being uneven.  That's a reason I wanted to try to move around the track listing, because I think the "rockers" and the more dramatic tracks are clumped together too much.  Usually, I prefer to have them more dispersed like I did up above.

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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain Posts: 31,110
    This is a cool thread, covering a handful of different things at this point.

    Closers?  My list:
    1. Release
    2. Indifference
    3. Inside Job
    4. All Those Yesterdays
    5. The End
    6. Around The Bend
    7. All of None
    8. Parting Ways
    9. Future Days
    10. Stupid Mop

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  • Glorified KCGlorified KC Posts: 2,616
    What really drove my reordering of Backspacer was my want to change up the closer.  I did this with a reorder of Avocado a while back too, where I wanted to try Come Back at the end and I love it.  It's not to say I don't like The End and Inside Job as closers, but I like Come Back and Just Breathe even more.

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  • pledgeagrievancepledgeagrievance Posts: 2,842
    Closers:

    indifference 
    Release
    All those Yesterdays
    All or None
    Parting Ways
    Around the Bend
    The End
    Inside Job
    Future Days 


  • Glorified KCGlorified KC Posts: 2,616
    Likewise, I can't see Gonna See My Friend as anything else but an opener.  I didn't bother trying that out in different spots of the track listing.
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  • tbergstbergs Posts: 9,586
    cdthomas1981 said:
    What really drove my reordering of Backspacer was my want to change up the closer.  I did this with a reorder of Avocado a while back too, where I wanted to try Come Back at the end and I love it.  It's not to say I don't like The End and Inside Job as closers, but I like Come Back and Just Breathe even more.

    I like this re-order. Not to derail too much, but I did a deluxe Binaural playlist a few years back where I added in the Lost Dogs tracks from that recording period timeframe. It was hard to fit in some and I think I ended up making Sweet Lew a hidden track after Parting Ways. It would be a terrible normal track to end on. And actually, looking at that playlist, I am going to reorder it again. I don't like the placement of some songs now.

    It's a hopeless situation...
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