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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    edited March 2020
    I'm really starting to feel like DotC sticking out like a sore thumb between SBWM and QE with it having a completely different sound (dead and void of room (or whatever, living/breathing)) to the others.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I'm really starting to feel like DotC sticking out like a sore thumb between SBWM and QE with it having a completely different sound (dead and void of room (or whatever, living/breathing)) to the others.
    I’ve always had a sorta similar feeling with Nothingman. I have no time not patience for it between Tremor Christ and Whipping. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
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  • JPPJ84
    JPPJ84 Hamburg, Germany Posts: 3,464
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I'm really starting to feel like DotC sticking out like a sore thumb between SBWM and QE with it having a completely different sound (dead and void of room (or whatever, living/breathing)) to the others.
    I’ve always had a sorta similar feeling with Nothingman. I have no time not patience for it between Tremor Christ and Whipping. 
    You’re skipping Nothingman?! :o
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,656
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I'm really starting to feel like DotC sticking out like a sore thumb between SBWM and QE with it having a completely different sound (dead and void of room (or whatever, living/breathing)) to the others.
    I’ve always had a sorta similar feeling with Nothingman. I have no time not patience for it between Tremor Christ and Whipping. 

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I'm really starting to feel like DotC sticking out like a sore thumb between SBWM and QE with it having a completely different sound (dead and void of room (or whatever, living/breathing)) to the others.
    I’ve always had a sorta similar feeling with Nothingman. I have no time not patience for it between Tremor Christ and Whipping. 

    I knew that’d be the response. Not that I knew what gif it’d be. But something in the realm of “Don’t speak ill of Nothingman” was expected. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • EarlWelsh
    EarlWelsh Buffalo, NY Posts: 1,127
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I'm really starting to feel like DotC sticking out like a sore thumb between SBWM and QE with it having a completely different sound (dead and void of room (or whatever, living/breathing)) to the others.
    I’ve always had a sorta similar feeling with Nothingman. I have no time not patience for it between Tremor Christ and Whipping. 
    Hmmm...

    it’s not like Tremor Christ is a ball of fire exactly.
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
    JPPJ84 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I'm really starting to feel like DotC sticking out like a sore thumb between SBWM and QE with it having a completely different sound (dead and void of room (or whatever, living/breathing)) to the others.
    I’ve always had a sorta similar feeling with Nothingman. I have no time not patience for it between Tremor Christ and Whipping. 
    You’re skipping Nothingman?! :o
    Yeah. Not that it’s a bad song or anything, but I’ve never been into it. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • The Juggler
    The Juggler Posts: 49,599
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JPPJ84 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I'm really starting to feel like DotC sticking out like a sore thumb between SBWM and QE with it having a completely different sound (dead and void of room (or whatever, living/breathing)) to the others.
    I’ve always had a sorta similar feeling with Nothingman. I have no time not patience for it between Tremor Christ and Whipping. 
    You’re skipping Nothingman?! :o
    Yeah. Not that it’s a bad song or anything, but I’ve never been into it. 
    Don't speak ill of Nothingman
    www.myspace.com
  • JPPJ84
    JPPJ84 Hamburg, Germany Posts: 3,464
    edited March 2020
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JPPJ84 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I'm really starting to feel like DotC sticking out like a sore thumb between SBWM and QE with it having a completely different sound (dead and void of room (or whatever, living/breathing)) to the others.
    I’ve always had a sorta similar feeling with Nothingman. I have no time not patience for it between Tremor Christ and Whipping. 
    You’re skipping Nothingman?! :o
    Yeah. Not that it’s a bad song or anything, but I’ve never been into it. 
    Blasphemy! I may have to dig out that Immortality thread again... I'm pretty sure we had that argument before :lol: 
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
    JPPJ84 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JPPJ84 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I'm really starting to feel like DotC sticking out like a sore thumb between SBWM and QE with it having a completely different sound (dead and void of room (or whatever, living/breathing)) to the others.
    I’ve always had a sorta similar feeling with Nothingman. I have no time not patience for it between Tremor Christ and Whipping. 
    You’re skipping Nothingman?! :o
    Yeah. Not that it’s a bad song or anything, but I’ve never been into it. 
    Blasphemy! I may have to dig out that Immortality thread again... I'm pretty sure we had that argument before :lol: 
    Oh good. So then you already know I love Immortality and am indifferent to Nothingman. 
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024: Philly 2, 2025: Pittsburgh 1

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • JPPJ84
    JPPJ84 Hamburg, Germany Posts: 3,464
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JPPJ84 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    JPPJ84 said:
    Ledbetterman10 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    I'm really starting to feel like DotC sticking out like a sore thumb between SBWM and QE with it having a completely different sound (dead and void of room (or whatever, living/breathing)) to the others.
    I’ve always had a sorta similar feeling with Nothingman. I have no time not patience for it between Tremor Christ and Whipping. 
    You’re skipping Nothingman?! :o
    Yeah. Not that it’s a bad song or anything, but I’ve never been into it. 
    Blasphemy! I may have to dig out that Immortality thread again... I'm pretty sure we had that argument before :lol: 
    Oh good. So then you already know I love Immortality and am indifferent to Nothingman. 
    Are you indifferent to Indifference though?
  • THEBIBLEISTEN
    THEBIBLEISTEN Posts: 2,023
    Smarter_Than_U said:
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    Eilian said:
    THEBIBLEISTEN said:
    Smarter_Than_U said:
    PJammin' said:
    Smarter_Than_U said:
    tbergs said:
    I will say that this album has the best 4 song opening since Self Titled, which had the best 4 song opening since Yield.
    I agree the first four songs are really good. The thing that is frustrating is feel like Alright could have been a great song (love the Kid A sounding keys at the beginning) and then Eddie just straight up ruins the song. 7 O’clock is a good song. Then the album dips again til Buckle Up and finishes strong. If they actually made Eddie do something not so Eddie with Alright they would have 10 great songs and a great album. But like Riot Act and Lightning Bolt they bogged down what could have been a tight album with filler and thus diminished the final product. There are some great moments- just wish they were a bit more disciplined in their quality control. 
    What do you mean with Eddie on Alright?
    The song had the potential to be interesting based on the music but in an attempt to use his voice like a warm blanket the song feels like pandering to me. The second he starts singing I have this uncontrollable eye roll. Like we’ve been here before and it wasn’t that great the first time. 
    What the hell are you talking about? You eye roll when Eddie sings this song? You really thought this and typed it out on a message board? Haha omg. 
    He did, yeah. He had an opinion about a Pearl Jam song so he expressed it on a forum designed to discuss opinions on Pearl Jam.
    Haha, you guys are hilarious. Just be grateful you got new music and stop bitching and complaining about every little thing. Peoples opinions don’t mean anything to me on here, I just scratch my head when I read them and laugh. I just thought it was funny that someone rolled their eyes cause Eddie sounds like a warm blanket and we’ve been here before. You can’t make this shit up, just incredible. Hahaha. 
    Can’t make up what exactly? ***Someone asked me*** to explain why I thought EV ruined Alright, so I used additional words to explain my reaction. What would you recommend as an alternative? A modern interpretative dance? I’m not tracking what’s so incredible.

    (Also, I also used the word pandering, but you seemed to ignore that- I suppose that would have been inconvenient for your exasperation.)

    BTW, I have been a fan since the spring of 1992. Never stopped for one day. With that, loyalty doesn’t mean loving everything someone does. It’s ok to tell a person or entity that you know and care about that they can do better and yet continue to love and support them. 

    Bottom line- they are half a song away from a great 10-song album. 
    Just hilarious. 
  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,249
    Anybody who has alright or buckle up as their top two be takin’ strong acid
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 27,022
    My rankings after 20 listens:

    DoTC
    Who Ever Said
    River Cross 
    Quick Escape
    Seven O Clock
    Comes then Goes 
    Superblood Wolfmoon
    Alright
    Take the Long Way
    Retrograde
    Never Destination
    Buckle Up
    severed hand thirteen
    2006: Gorge 7/23 2008: Hartford 6/27 Beacon 7/1 2009: Spectrum 10/30-31
    2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
    2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
    2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
    2017: RRHoF 4/7   2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4   2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18 
    2022: MSG 9/11  2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
    2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
  • wnh1977
    wnh1977 Iowa Posts: 651
    cp3iverson said:
    Im just not a self-titled fan.  Still have never connected with it.  So i have Avocado in last place. 

    Yield is top 3 or 4.  So good. 
    Yeah, I think my issue with self-titled is the production.  Just too harsh.  I think it's a really solid album ("Big Wave" could be left on the cutting room floor), but I think the production just makes it a challenge for me.I'm personally loving the production on Gigaton.  I enjoyed  O'Brien's production on Backspacer and Lightning Bolt too.  You're in the studio, go ahead and create, explore and try new things.  Production is just a huge component.  Look at the Beatles orginal Let It Be (Phil Spector) versus Let It Be... Naked.  Two really, really different albums, and in that case I'll take "Naked" over the original all damn day.

    I don't understand people that are always talking about going for raw and stripped down... that's fine if the songs and the vision are to be raw and stripped down.  I think Gigaton's production is spot on.
    1998: 6/26, 6/27, 6/29
    2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
    2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
    2005: 9/9, 9/28
    2006: 5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
    2007: 8/5
    2009: 8/23, 8/24
    2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
    2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
    2013: 7/19, 11/16
    2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
    2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
    2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
    2022: 9/18
    2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
    2024: 5/18, 6/29
  • PJNB
    PJNB Posts: 13,890
    SVRDhand13 said:
    My rankings after 20 listens:

    DoTC
    Who Ever Said
    River Cross 
    Quick Escape
    Seven O Clock
    Comes then Goes 
    Superblood Wolfmoon
    Alright
    Take the Long Way
    Retrograde
    Never Destination
    Buckle Up
    Who Ever Said is really growing on me now. Just took a couple of listens to click. My rankings are. 


    1. Quick Escape
    2. Seven O Clock
    3. Who Ever Said
    4. Comes Then Goes
    5. Alright
    6. DOTC 
    7. River Cross
    8. Retrograde
    9. Superblood Woflmoon
    10. Buckle Up
    11. Never Destination
    12. Take The Long Way

    Ranking past albums, songs like Future Days would be at the bottom and they deserved that spot for me. With this album the bottom does not mean it's bad just not as good as the rest. Not a dud on this one for me yet.


  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,014
    wnh1977 said:
    cp3iverson said:
    Im just not a self-titled fan.  Still have never connected with it.  So i have Avocado in last place. 

    Yield is top 3 or 4.  So good. 
    Yeah, I think my issue with self-titled is the production.  Just too harsh.  I think it's a really solid album ("Big Wave" could be left on the cutting room floor), but I think the production just makes it a challenge for me.I'm personally loving the production on Gigaton.  I enjoyed  O'Brien's production on Backspacer and Lightning Bolt too.  You're in the studio, go ahead and create, explore and try new things.  Production is just a huge component.  Look at the Beatles orginal Let It Be (Phil Spector) versus Let It Be... Naked.  Two really, really different albums, and in that case I'll take "Naked" over the original all damn day.

    I don't understand people that are always talking about going for raw and stripped down... that's fine if the songs and the vision are to be raw and stripped down.  I think Gigaton's production is spot on.
    I dunno. I thought Let It Be...Naked didn't live up to what it could have been. I liked what they were trying to do. But Spector actually did an good job recording the "live" songs for the album (the versions of Two Of Us, I've Got a Feeling, One after 909 are the live versions you see in the Let It Be film). So frankly, I think the original album is fine if you replace Across the Universe with the Wildlife version (or even the Anthology 2 version), and Long and Winding Road with the version from the film (which I think might be the version they use on "Naked"). For my personal version of the album, I replace the two versions (Universe, Winding Road) I mentioned, as well as the song Let It Be  (I prefer the single version to the album version). And for me, that's a perfect album. The "Naked" version sort of neuters the rooftop songs. One After 909 for example is way better on the original than Naked...to me. 
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    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
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  • RoleModelsinBlood31
    RoleModelsinBlood31 Austin TX Posts: 6,249
    1.Dotc
    2. Quick Escape
    3.Superblood Wolfmoon
    4.7 O'Clock
    5.Never Destination (The Bitch Carole Baskin's Gaping Maw)
    6.Comes Then Goes
    7.Buckle Up
    8. RIver Cross
    9.Alright
    10.Retrograde
    11.Take The Long Way (Honestly this song should have been dropped for something else)
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh
    Dr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh Posts: 1,180
    1. Who Ever Said
    2. Comes Then Goes
    3. Never Destination
    4. DOTC
    5. Take the Long Way
    6. Quick Escape
    7. Buckle Up
    8. SBWM
    9. Alright
    10. Retrograde







    11. River Cross
    12. 7 O’Clock

    looking to hear of the earth
  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,961
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    Anybody who has alright or buckle up as their top two be takin’ strong acid
    Top 2?  Hmmmm Alright is close for me.  Love Buckle up as well but not top 2.  Never did acid.  
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