Next President

EdsonNascimento

Wouldn’t it be awesome if we had a President that did nothing like prior Presidents, pissed off the long term political appointees and challenged the status quo?  Haven’t our political machines been in place way too long and need some shaking up that would make people in DC nervous?  

What do you think the DC squatters would do if they ever encountered a President like that?  Wouldn’t it be incredible to see them get their ire up and being challenged by someone who didn’t play by their rules?

Bentleyspop

It would be great to have a president who doesn't subscribe to the D.C. status quo or play by their rules. 

But not if that president is a lying racist xenophobic white nationalist that tries to whip up his supporters with a rhetoric full of, and based on, fear, hate,  ignorance,  jealousy,  and lies. 

gimmesometruth27

i think the next president needs to start by legitimizing themselves by winning the popular vote, AND the fucking electoral college.

EdsonNascimento

Interesting the both responses were regarding LAST election. I'm talking about the NEXT President.  Do we want DC status quo or someone who will shake up the establishment?  

Bentleyspop

EdsonNascimento said:

Interesting the both responses were regarding LAST election. I'm talking about the NEXT President.  Do we want DC status quo or someone who will shake up the establishment?  

Shake it up but not be a dick about it

brianlux

"Wouldn’t it be awesome if we had a President that did nothing like prior Presidents?"

Indeed!  And it can and should happen.  Time to evolve!

Ledbetterman10

I'd love a truly non-partisan president. Will never happen. But how great would that be? One that just runs the executive branch of the government without any bias towards either party. One that acts in the best interest of the people when needed (disaster relief, etc.), but otherwise, lets the Congress have it out among themselves, and whatever legislation gets passed, lands on his/her desk to sign or veto. 

Lizard

Bentleyspop said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Interesting the both responses were regarding LAST election. I'm talking about the NEXT President.  Do we want DC status quo or someone who will shake up the establishment?  

Shake it up but not be a dick about it

Exactly... and have RESPECT for humans, the constitution (ie, respecting co-equal branches) and most importantly, RESPECT THE WORLD and all that that entails.  

Lerxst1992

Let's be serious , Maher is right. Trump ain't going anywhere, if by some strange reason Putin  cant figure out how to finagle the vote totals this time.

Tim Simmons

EdsonNascimento said:

Wouldn’t it be awesome if we had a President that did nothing like prior Presidents, pissed off the long term political appointees and challenged the status quo?  Haven’t our political machines been in place way too long and need some shaking up that would make people in DC nervous?  

What do you think the DC squatters would do if they ever encountered a President like that?  Wouldn’t it be incredible to see them get their ire up and being challenged by someone who didn’t play by their rules?

I think we've seen the answers to your questions for the past 3 years.

Tim Simmons

Lerxst1992 said:

Let's be serious , Maher is right. 

Which one do you want to go with?

stuckinline

Wouldn't it be great to have a president who knows which state Kansas City is in?

gimmesometruth27

stuckinline said:

Wouldn't it be great to have a president who knows which state Kansas City is in?

to be absolutely fair, there is a kansas city, kansas, but any businessman such as trump should know that kansas city missouri is where the chiefs play and what most people think of when they hear "kansas city". trump is just stupid, so he deserves the backlash he gets on this one.

EdsonNascimento

brianlux said:

"Wouldn’t it be awesome if we had a President that did nothing like prior Presidents?"

Indeed!  And it can and should happen.  Time to evolve!

How do you think he’d do that?   My guess is the only one he’d make nervous is the Democrats.  May be a good choice, but I don’t see him really challenging the DC establishment.  How do you think he does?

EdsonNascimento

Ledbetterman10 said:

I'd love a truly non-partisan president. Will never happen. But how great would that be? One that just runs the executive branch of the government without any bias towards either party. One that acts in the best interest of the people when needed (disaster relief, etc.), but otherwise, lets the Congress have it out among themselves, and whatever legislation gets passed, lands on his/her desk to sign or veto. 

While I like the initial sentiment and agree that would be ideal, I don’t see how leaving congress to its own devices is really shaking up the DC establishment. Isn’t that the definition of NOT doing that?

and obviously, there are things that need to happen without Congress.  

Ledbetterman10

EdsonNascimento said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I'd love a truly non-partisan president. Will never happen. But how great would that be? One that just runs the executive branch of the government without any bias towards either party. One that acts in the best interest of the people when needed (disaster relief, etc.), but otherwise, lets the Congress have it out among themselves, and whatever legislation gets passed, lands on his/her desk to sign or veto. 

While I like the initial sentiment and agree that would be ideal, I don’t see how leaving congress to its own devices is really shaking up the DC establishment. Isn’t that the definition of NOT doing that?

and obviously, there are things that need to happen without Congress.  

It's not meant to shake up DC. Just to make neither party have so much power over the other because their party leader is the President. After how the Republicans tried to block basically everything Obama wanted to do, coupled with the Democrats being out for Trump's head the moment he was elected, I don't know if we'll ever get back to the two parties working together for the country. 

And sure, things need to happen without congress. But our hypothetical, non-partisan president will be capable of making those decisions with consultation of his cabinet, generals, etc. It's just that his decision wouldn't be influenced by party-line narratives. 

It's all fun to think about in an alternate universe. 

brianlux

EdsonNascimento said:

brianlux said:

"Wouldn’t it be awesome if we had a President that did nothing like prior Presidents?"

Indeed!  And it can and should happen.  Time to evolve!

How do you think he’d do that?   My guess is the only one he’d make nervous is the Democrats.  May be a good choice, but I don’t see him really challenging the DC establishment.  How do you think he does?

I think he would do it by focusing on the needs of the peopled and the environment.  I think he would be well liked outside this country and, man, oh man, do we need to do a better job of that!  Yes, true, he does not have a lot of political experience, but what good are most politicians doing for the people and the planet now?  It's plain to see, not enough and not fast enough.  Yang knows the score, he sees where we're heading, he knows what we need.  He's smart enough to come up with good ideas and wise enough to seek help from people with experience and expertise in areas he is not as strong in (and no one is strong in all areas).  We need to move forward.  The world is changing rapidly and the established order is crumbling.  It is going to crumble and if we aren't prepared, it will swallow us all and leave us in shambles.  Yang sees this, is not only not afraid to confront it, but eager to do so. 

Halifax2TheMax

There is no “next” President, only dick tators.

EdsonNascimento

Ledbetterman10 said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

I'd love a truly non-partisan president. Will never happen. But how great would that be? One that just runs the executive branch of the government without any bias towards either party. One that acts in the best interest of the people when needed (disaster relief, etc.), but otherwise, lets the Congress have it out among themselves, and whatever legislation gets passed, lands on his/her desk to sign or veto. 

While I like the initial sentiment and agree that would be ideal, I don’t see how leaving congress to its own devices is really shaking up the DC establishment. Isn’t that the definition of NOT doing that?

and obviously, there are things that need to happen without Congress.  

It's not meant to shake up DC. Just to make neither party have so much power over the other because their party leader is the President. After how the Republicans tried to block basically everything Obama wanted to do, coupled with the Democrats being out for Trump's head the moment he was elected, I don't know if we'll ever get back to the two parties working together for the country. 

And sure, things need to happen without congress. But our hypothetical, non-partisan president will be capable of making those decisions with consultation of his cabinet, generals, etc. It's just that his decision wouldn't be influenced by party-line narratives. 

It's all fun to think about in an alternate universe. 

But isn’t that the point?  So I guess you’re arguing for business as usual with a more powerful legislative branch.  Not really shaking the establishment.  There’s nothing more establishment than lifelong politicians that hold those seats.  What we just witnessed on both sides of Congress is exactly what you describe and at least to me is extraordinarily dangerous.  What happens when both are controlled by the same party?  Now Congress goes completely unchecked?

so I’m not asking which branch should be more powerful. I’m just asking if anyone thinks shaking up the establishment would be good. Yes, it would be uncomfortable.  Do you think making established politicians and bureaucrats uncomfortable is a good or bad thing?  

Halifax2TheMax

EdsonNascimento said:

Wouldn’t it be awesome if we had a President that did nothing like prior Presidents, pissed off the long term political appointees and challenged the status quo?  Haven’t our political machines been in place way too long and need some shaking up that would make people in DC nervous?  

What do you think the DC squatters would do if they ever encountered a President like that?  Wouldn’t it be incredible to see them get their ire up and being challenged by someone who didn’t play by their rules?

Wouldn’t it be awesome to have a president that did nothing for three months while a Coronavirus pandemic developed and spread around the world, resulting in the postponement of a Pearl Jam NA tour, cancellation of NBA games and a 20% drop in the stock market? Think that would make people in DC and on Wall Street nervous?

What do you think the average voter would think about that if they had a president like that? Wouldn’t it be incredible to see them get their ire up and vote the imbecile out of office and banish him from DC for not only not playing by the rules but not even realizing which board game he’s on? Three dimensional chess my ass.

pjhawks

EdsonNascimento said:

Wouldn’t it be awesome if we had a President that did nothing like prior Presidents, pissed off the long term political appointees and challenged the status quo?  Haven’t our political machines been in place way too long and need some shaking up that would make people in DC nervous?  

What do you think the DC squatters would do if they ever encountered a President like that?  Wouldn’t it be incredible to see them get their ire up and being challenged by someone who didn’t play by their rules?

is this satire? seriously wondering because one of the reasons for Trump was to have an outsider in the White House. how the fuck is that turning out?  do people honestly think Hillary was a worse choice? 

josevolution

pjhawks said:

EdsonNascimento said:

Wouldn’t it be awesome if we had a President that did nothing like prior Presidents, pissed off the long term political appointees and challenged the status quo?  Haven’t our political machines been in place way too long and need some shaking up that would make people in DC nervous?  

What do you think the DC squatters would do if they ever encountered a President like that?  Wouldn’t it be incredible to see them get their ire up and being challenged by someone who didn’t play by their rules?

is this satire? seriously wondering because one of the reasons for Trump was to have an outsider in the White House. how the fuck is that turning out?  do people honestly think Hillary was a worse choice? 

This poster def believes the latter ,you know evil Hillary..

HesCalledDyer

Ledbetterman10 said:

I'd love a truly non-partisan president. Will never happen. But how great would that be? One that just runs the executive branch of the government without any bias towards either party. One that acts in the best interest of the people when needed (disaster relief, etc.), but otherwise, lets the Congress have it out among themselves, and whatever legislation gets passed, lands on his/her desk to sign or veto. 

We could have that but everyone is too stubbornly glued to the two-party system, won't vote for or much less even consider third party candidates, then vilify the people who do vote 3rd party/independent when their lesser of two evils doesn't win.  The latter has happened to me on this very forum.  If we all stopped being slaves to the D-R System, we could have what you're talking about.

Although social media would probably have to cease existence, though, too.