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RIP Kobe Bryant

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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 31,321
    I will say, while I completely disagree with the way the other poster put it, there is a fine line that espn is completely ignoring, calling him and amazing individual and person. An amazing basketball player for sure, an icon in American sports but maybe a kinda shitty person. He was credibly accused of rape and I can’t imagine that girl has the same glowing feeling about the guy.

    No one deserves what happened. The pictures of him and his daughter are heartbreaking and tragic. But it also probably sucks for that girl to hear everyone glowing uncontrollably about the guy.

  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 7,444
    Man that guy was good.  Hated my team losing to him but he always hit the dagger. 

    The definition of work ethic for any particular craft. 
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,191
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Couldn't have happened to a nicer rapist
    Keeping it classy as usual.  
    You know what's not classy? Putting rapists on a pedestal.

    Epstein was a talented hedge fund manager. Weinstein was a talented producer. OJ was a talented football player. Phil Spector was a talented producer. They're still all criminals. 

    Good riddance Kobe
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 24,965
    My thoughts, he made a huge mistake that people in power/ money feel entitled to with no consequences. Probably the first time in his life that he couldn't cover it up as he was a pro from HS. From there, he did reform. Fixed his family, publicly apologized and did do a lot of charity work. Definitely one of the best ever players but questionable morals for half his life. I feel terrible for his wife and surviving children. 
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 5,905
    mcgruff10 said:
    My thoughts, he made a huge mistake that people in power/ money feel entitled to with no consequences. Probably the first time in his life that he couldn't cover it up as he was a pro from HS. From there, he did reform. Fixed his family, publicly apologized and did do a lot of charity work. Definitely one of the best ever players but questionable morals for half his life. I feel terrible for his wife and surviving children. 
    It seems that he made sincere life changes for the better and kept on that path. I commend someone that is able to turn their life around in a positive way. Applauding his death is asinine. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 24,965
    bbiggs said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    My thoughts, he made a huge mistake that people in power/ money feel entitled to with no consequences. Probably the first time in his life that he couldn't cover it up as he was a pro from HS. From there, he did reform. Fixed his family, publicly apologized and did do a lot of charity work. Definitely one of the best ever players but questionable morals for half his life. I feel terrible for his wife and surviving children. 
    It seems that he made sincere life changes for the better and kept on that path. I commend someone that is able to turn their life around in a positive way. Applauding his death is asinine. 
    Agree 100%
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 23,874
    I will say, while I completely disagree with the way the other poster put it, there is a fine line that espn is completely ignoring, calling him and amazing individual and person. An amazing basketball player for sure, an icon in American sports but maybe a kinda shitty person. He was credibly accused of rape and I can’t imagine that girl has the same glowing feeling about the guy.

    No one deserves what happened. The pictures of him and his daughter are heartbreaking and tragic. But it also probably sucks for that girl to hear everyone glowing uncontrollably about the guy.

    This is so much more nicely put than anything I could say about him.  Living in LA throughout most of his career I had this argument with countless Angelinos.  The majority of people never cared about his victim at any point, they sure as hell won't care about her today.
    The love he receives is the love that is saved
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 7,444
    edited January 2020
    The way he championed female sports (especially youth sports) was terrific. He was just on TV raising eyebrows for claiming that three WNBA players could make NBA teams.  That’s huge for their sport.  What he did in his local community as a coach and mentor is flat out awesome. 

    Never liked the Lakers. Always rooted for him to miss.  But im an NBA lifer.   I respect the game.  Top 7 all time man.  Tough as nails. RIP

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  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,191
    mcgruff10 said:
    My thoughts, he made a huge mistake that people in power/ money feel entitled to with no consequences. Probably the first time in his life that he couldn't cover it up as he was a pro from HS. From there, he did reform. Fixed his family, publicly apologized and did do a lot of charity work. Definitely one of the best ever players but questionable morals for half his life. I feel terrible for his wife and surviving children. 
    And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the p****. You can do anything.
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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 7,444
    edited January 2020
  • Bill Simmons has a retrospective podcast on Kobe up if anyone interested 
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 10,914
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Couldn't have happened to a nicer rapist
    Keeping it classy as usual.  
    You know what's not classy? Putting rapists on a pedestal.

    Epstein was a talented hedge fund manager. Weinstein was a talented producer. OJ was a talented football player. Phil Spector was a talented producer. They're still all criminals. 

    Good riddance Kobe
    There are a lot of people who I don’t like or respect in this world but i am hard pressed to find many I wish to die.  What he was accused is terrible but he still someone’s father, husband and son and those people are crushed today.  For them I couldn’t possibly say good riddance.  Hopefully no one ever has the will to say something like that about you or anyone in your family
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,213
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    My thoughts, he made a huge mistake that people in power/ money feel entitled to with no consequences. Probably the first time in his life that he couldn't cover it up as he was a pro from HS. From there, he did reform. Fixed his family, publicly apologized and did do a lot of charity work. Definitely one of the best ever players but questionable morals for half his life. I feel terrible for his wife and surviving children. 
    And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the p****. You can do anything.
    Wait at least a day before you dance on the grave.  Everyone knows your pov.
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 7,444
    Mark Cuban and the Dallas Mavericks have permanently retired the #24. 
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,191
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    My thoughts, he made a huge mistake that people in power/ money feel entitled to with no consequences. Probably the first time in his life that he couldn't cover it up as he was a pro from HS. From there, he did reform. Fixed his family, publicly apologized and did do a lot of charity work. Definitely one of the best ever players but questionable morals for half his life. I feel terrible for his wife and surviving children. 
    And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the p****. You can do anything.
    Wait at least a day before you dance on the grave.  Everyone knows your pov.
    And what point of view is that?

    Rapists = bad ?

    That the world is a better place with one less rapist in it? 

    That point of view?
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  • PureandEasyPureandEasy Posts: 5,583
    pjhawks said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    CM189191 said:
    Couldn't have happened to a nicer rapist
    Keeping it classy as usual.  
    You know what's not classy? Putting rapists on a pedestal.

    Epstein was a talented hedge fund manager. Weinstein was a talented producer. OJ was a talented football player. Phil Spector was a talented producer. They're still all criminals. 

    Good riddance Kobe
    There are a lot of people who I don’t like or respect in this world but i am hard pressed to find many I wish to die.  What he was accused is terrible but he still someone’s father, husband and son and those people are crushed today.  For them I couldn’t possibly say good riddance.  Hopefully no one ever has the will to say something like that about you or anyone in your family
    That's my view as well.  Yes there was that accusation, I don't doubt there was some truth to it. I personally have never been a fan, however; a family has been devastated with tremendous loss.  Not only the Bryant family but the families of the others lost in that crash.  There's a time and place people.  This is certainly not the time.  
    GIVE BLOOD
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,213
    edited January 2020
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    My thoughts, he made a huge mistake that people in power/ money feel entitled to with no consequences. Probably the first time in his life that he couldn't cover it up as he was a pro from HS. From there, he did reform. Fixed his family, publicly apologized and did do a lot of charity work. Definitely one of the best ever players but questionable morals for half his life. I feel terrible for his wife and surviving children. 
    And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the p****. You can do anything.
    Wait at least a day before you dance on the grave.  Everyone knows your pov.
    And what point of view is that?

    Rapists = bad ?

    That the world is a better place with one less rapist in it? 

    That point of view?
    Evidently you don't believe in contrition or redemption.  Good for you.  

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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 7,444
    Such a strange day.  Saw the tweet from Woj and my first thought was that his twitter account got hacked.    

    Saturday night’s NBA showcase was all about Kobe and Lebron.  Life is short, man.  
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 6,191
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    My thoughts, he made a huge mistake that people in power/ money feel entitled to with no consequences. Probably the first time in his life that he couldn't cover it up as he was a pro from HS. From there, he did reform. Fixed his family, publicly apologized and did do a lot of charity work. Definitely one of the best ever players but questionable morals for half his life. I feel terrible for his wife and surviving children. 
    And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the p****. You can do anything.
    Wait at least a day before you dance on the grave.  Everyone knows your pov.
    And what point of view is that?

    Rapists = bad ?

    That the world is a better place with one less rapist in it? 

    That point of view?
    Evidently you don't believe in contrition or redemption.  Good for you.  

    I believe in redemption

    Remind me again how many days Kobe spent in jail?
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  • ogre1213ogre1213 Posts: 380
    Listen to yellow Ledbetter in Jacksonville. Eddie says “bye kobe bye Kobe“ it was his last game that night. So sad 
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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 7,444

    I always think of the 98 All Star game when MJ was giving him advice while someone was shooting freethrows. Legends man.  

    So far no statement from A.I.   He was on ABC last night praising Kobe. 
  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 7,444
    ogre1213 said:
    Listen to yellow Ledbetter in Jacksonville. Eddie says “bye kobe bye Kobe“ it was his last game that night. So sad 
    Never knew that.  Cool
  • rollingsrollings unknownPosts: 7,122
    TMZ reported its before the family was informed 
    how could that have happened? how tasteless and irresponsible.
    I am pretty sure the family was aware that the daughter was with Kobe
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,213
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mrussel1 said:
    CM189191 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    My thoughts, he made a huge mistake that people in power/ money feel entitled to with no consequences. Probably the first time in his life that he couldn't cover it up as he was a pro from HS. From there, he did reform. Fixed his family, publicly apologized and did do a lot of charity work. Definitely one of the best ever players but questionable morals for half his life. I feel terrible for his wife and surviving children. 
    And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the p****. You can do anything.
    Wait at least a day before you dance on the grave.  Everyone knows your pov.
    And what point of view is that?

    Rapists = bad ?

    That the world is a better place with one less rapist in it? 

    That point of view?
    Evidently you don't believe in contrition or redemption.  Good for you.  

    I believe in redemption

    Remind me again how many days Kobe spent in jail?
    That's cool that you're also happy that three young girls lost their father,  including am infant.  
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BCPosts: 12,070
    Redemption requires an acknowledgement and admission of guilt and honest efforts to make amends to the person harmed. Do people think that adequately happened? 
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New JerseyPosts: 24,965
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 26,568
    I will say, while I completely disagree with the way the other poster put it, there is a fine line that espn is completely ignoring, calling him and amazing individual and person. An amazing basketball player for sure, an icon in American sports but maybe a kinda shitty person. He was credibly accused of rape and I can’t imagine that girl has the same glowing feeling about the guy.

    No one deserves what happened. The pictures of him and his daughter are heartbreaking and tragic. But it also probably sucks for that girl to hear everyone glowing uncontrollably about the guy.


    well put, cliffy.
    If I had known then what I know now...

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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 7,444
    French Quarter love——- Second Line Parade in New Orleans took place today for Kobe. 
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 21,213
    Redemption requires an acknowledgement and admission of guilt and honest efforts to make amends to the person harmed. Do people think that adequately happened? 

    First, I want to apologize directly to the young woman involved in this incident. I want to apologize to her for my behavior that night and for the consequences she has suffered in the past year. Although this year has been incredibly difficult for me personally, I can only imagine the pain she has had to endure. I also want to apologize to her parents and family members, and to my family and friends and supporters, and to the citizens of Eagle, Colorado.

    I also want to make it clear that I do not question the motives of this young woman. No money has been paid to this woman. She has agreed that this statement will not be used against me in the civil case. Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did. After months of reviewing discovery, listening to her attorney, and even her testimony in person, I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.

    I issue this statement today fully aware that while one part of this case ends today, another remains. I understand that the civil case against me will go forward. That part of this case will be decided by and between the parties directly involved in the incident and will no longer be a financial or emotional drain on the citizens of the state of Colorado

    And look at everything he did for youth and women's sports for past decade... and again, we have three young girls without a father.  I think we can dance another day.  

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