The coronavirus

Poncier

Merkin Baller said:

I would bet the majority of people rejecting the vaccine don't even know what the f the FDA even is. 

Felix

Merkin Baller

It’s like a McBain movie, the GOP is trying to save real Americans from commie nazis: 

oftenreading

Ledbetterman10 said:

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The Juggler said:

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I'm assuming they meant in case they had to evacuate and be forced to shelter with hundreds or thousands of other people. Would seem like a super spreader event just waiting to happen. 

"You can take simple steps to prepare for hurricanes, including getting a covid-19 vaccine, and building a ready-kit...."

It just sounds funny. 

And let's face it, anybody that hasn't gotten the vaccine by now isn't going to get it based television ads, Biden telling them to, or referencing the vaccine as a simple step to prepare for a hurricane. 

The admin believes there are still some persuadable people out there.  That's why they are going with the small vax events, door to door discussions, etc.  I think they are right.  My close friend has been an idiot about this for several months, but now because of the delta variant, he's considering getting it. 

Well I'm sure there's some, but probably not very many. 

You friend seems like a surprising case. I would think that someone that has held out this long would roll his eyes at the idea of a new variant. So he didn't care before, and now he's considering it? Weird. 

There are many people who bought into the "it hasn't been tested enough" theory, so they waited.  Others didn't prioritize, etc.  People have reasons, even bad ones.  If 10% of the unvaxxed pop is persuadable, that's a big number and important. 

Well a big problem is that they're still not fully FDA-approved. They just got "emergency authorization." So that might have contributed to people not having full faith in it. 

I don't believe for one second that after it receives full approval that vax rates will skyrocket.  

I don't think so either. But if it was FDA-approved from the outset, maybe there would've been a higher vax rate. But oh yeah, now, it wouldn't make a lick of difference. 

If we waited for it to go through full approval,  we'd still be waiting.  Not a good tradeoff.  

So why exactly isn't it approved?

because you need at least six months of 'production' data (that's the term I would use in my business).  This is good info for you.  https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/are-covid-vaccines-fda-approved-heres-the-latest/2549097/

This kinda renders the FDA irrelevant in all this if the vaccines can't be "approved," but they can receive "emergency authorization." 

How so? It's two different FDA processes, emergency authorization or full approval, depending on the circumstances. 

oftenreading

Merkin Baller said:

It’s like a McBain movie, the GOP is trying to save real Americans from commie nazis: 

Sure wish she had woken up in Communist China...

Ledbetterman10

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

^
I'm assuming they meant in case they had to evacuate and be forced to shelter with hundreds or thousands of other people. Would seem like a super spreader event just waiting to happen. 

"You can take simple steps to prepare for hurricanes, including getting a covid-19 vaccine, and building a ready-kit...."

It just sounds funny. 

And let's face it, anybody that hasn't gotten the vaccine by now isn't going to get it based television ads, Biden telling them to, or referencing the vaccine as a simple step to prepare for a hurricane. 

The admin believes there are still some persuadable people out there.  That's why they are going with the small vax events, door to door discussions, etc.  I think they are right.  My close friend has been an idiot about this for several months, but now because of the delta variant, he's considering getting it. 

Well I'm sure there's some, but probably not very many. 

You friend seems like a surprising case. I would think that someone that has held out this long would roll his eyes at the idea of a new variant. So he didn't care before, and now he's considering it? Weird. 

There are many people who bought into the "it hasn't been tested enough" theory, so they waited.  Others didn't prioritize, etc.  People have reasons, even bad ones.  If 10% of the unvaxxed pop is persuadable, that's a big number and important. 

Well a big problem is that they're still not fully FDA-approved. They just got "emergency authorization." So that might have contributed to people not having full faith in it. 

I don't believe for one second that after it receives full approval that vax rates will skyrocket.  

I don't think so either. But if it was FDA-approved from the outset, maybe there would've been a higher vax rate. But oh yeah, now, it wouldn't make a lick of difference. 

If we waited for it to go through full approval,  we'd still be waiting.  Not a good tradeoff.  

So why exactly isn't it approved?

because you need at least six months of 'production' data (that's the term I would use in my business).  This is good info for you.  https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/are-covid-vaccines-fda-approved-heres-the-latest/2549097/

This kinda renders the FDA irrelevant in all this if the vaccines can't be "approved," but they can receive "emergency authorization." 

How so? It's two different FDA processes, emergency authorization or full approval, depending on the circumstances. 

Well because if it's available to get without full approval, and it's being pushed on people to get without full approval, then the full approval process is meaningless in this situation.  

mrussel1

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

^
I'm assuming they meant in case they had to evacuate and be forced to shelter with hundreds or thousands of other people. Would seem like a super spreader event just waiting to happen. 

"You can take simple steps to prepare for hurricanes, including getting a covid-19 vaccine, and building a ready-kit...."

It just sounds funny. 

And let's face it, anybody that hasn't gotten the vaccine by now isn't going to get it based television ads, Biden telling them to, or referencing the vaccine as a simple step to prepare for a hurricane. 

The admin believes there are still some persuadable people out there.  That's why they are going with the small vax events, door to door discussions, etc.  I think they are right.  My close friend has been an idiot about this for several months, but now because of the delta variant, he's considering getting it. 

Well I'm sure there's some, but probably not very many. 

You friend seems like a surprising case. I would think that someone that has held out this long would roll his eyes at the idea of a new variant. So he didn't care before, and now he's considering it? Weird. 

There are many people who bought into the "it hasn't been tested enough" theory, so they waited.  Others didn't prioritize, etc.  People have reasons, even bad ones.  If 10% of the unvaxxed pop is persuadable, that's a big number and important. 

Well a big problem is that they're still not fully FDA-approved. They just got "emergency authorization." So that might have contributed to people not having full faith in it. 

I don't believe for one second that after it receives full approval that vax rates will skyrocket.  

I don't think so either. But if it was FDA-approved from the outset, maybe there would've been a higher vax rate. But oh yeah, now, it wouldn't make a lick of difference. 

If we waited for it to go through full approval,  we'd still be waiting.  Not a good tradeoff.  

So why exactly isn't it approved?

because you need at least six months of 'production' data (that's the term I would use in my business).  This is good info for you.  https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/are-covid-vaccines-fda-approved-heres-the-latest/2549097/

This kinda renders the FDA irrelevant in all this if the vaccines can't be "approved," but they can receive "emergency authorization." 

How so? It's two different FDA processes, emergency authorization or full approval, depending on the circumstances. 

Well because if it's available to get without full approval, and it's being pushed on people to get without full approval, then the full approval process is meaningless in this situation.  

But there are boosters and other changes coming.  So it always makes sense to go through the full process. 

oftenreading

Ledbetterman10 said:

oftenreading said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

mrussel1 said:

Ledbetterman10 said:

The Juggler said:

^
I'm assuming they meant in case they had to evacuate and be forced to shelter with hundreds or thousands of other people. Would seem like a super spreader event just waiting to happen. 

"You can take simple steps to prepare for hurricanes, including getting a covid-19 vaccine, and building a ready-kit...."

It just sounds funny. 

And let's face it, anybody that hasn't gotten the vaccine by now isn't going to get it based television ads, Biden telling them to, or referencing the vaccine as a simple step to prepare for a hurricane. 

The admin believes there are still some persuadable people out there.  That's why they are going with the small vax events, door to door discussions, etc.  I think they are right.  My close friend has been an idiot about this for several months, but now because of the delta variant, he's considering getting it. 

Well I'm sure there's some, but probably not very many. 

You friend seems like a surprising case. I would think that someone that has held out this long would roll his eyes at the idea of a new variant. So he didn't care before, and now he's considering it? Weird. 

There are many people who bought into the "it hasn't been tested enough" theory, so they waited.  Others didn't prioritize, etc.  People have reasons, even bad ones.  If 10% of the unvaxxed pop is persuadable, that's a big number and important. 

Well a big problem is that they're still not fully FDA-approved. They just got "emergency authorization." So that might have contributed to people not having full faith in it. 

I don't believe for one second that after it receives full approval that vax rates will skyrocket.  

I don't think so either. But if it was FDA-approved from the outset, maybe there would've been a higher vax rate. But oh yeah, now, it wouldn't make a lick of difference. 

If we waited for it to go through full approval,  we'd still be waiting.  Not a good tradeoff.  

So why exactly isn't it approved?

because you need at least six months of 'production' data (that's the term I would use in my business).  This is good info for you.  https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/coronavirus/are-covid-vaccines-fda-approved-heres-the-latest/2549097/

This kinda renders the FDA irrelevant in all this if the vaccines can't be "approved," but they can receive "emergency authorization." 

How so? It's two different FDA processes, emergency authorization or full approval, depending on the circumstances. 

Well because if it's available to get without full approval, and it's being pushed on people to get without full approval, then the full approval process is meaningless in this situation.  

EUA is only allowed in very specific and limited circumstances, and still involves a full review of safety and efficacy data; it just doesn't involve the longer follow up period, for obvious reasons.

Edit: agree with mrussel that it's important to go through the whole process in due course, for several reasons. 

mrussel1

oftenreading said:

Merkin Baller said:

It’s like a McBain movie, the GOP is trying to save real Americans from commie nazis: 

Sure wish she had woken up in Communist China...

Ha, yeah.  That would be a gift.  

Merkin Baller

HughFreakingDillon

The Juggler said:

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I'm assuming they meant in case they had to evacuate and be forced to shelter with hundreds or thousands of other people. Would seem like a super spreader event just waiting to happen. 

for some the logic stops at the last word spoken. 

HughFreakingDillon

Manitoba is at 80% single dose and 50% double dose, hitting our provincial targets weeks in advance. that's promising. my entire family is fully vaxxed so we can all eat out together next week after golf at the cottage. NORMALCY. 

however, the bible belt is still sitting at about 19% single dose. oh well. have FAITH, I guess. 

oftenreading

HughFreakingDillon said:

Manitoba is at 80% single dose and 50% double dose, hitting our provincial targets weeks in advance. that's promising. my entire family is fully vaxxed so we can all eat out together next week after golf at the cottage. NORMALCY. 

however, the bible belt is still sitting at about 19% single dose. oh well. have FAITH, I guess. 

That’s great!

BC is at 78.4% first dose and 40-% fully vaxxed and second doses are moving up pretty quickly. I think we’ll be at or over 80/70 roughly by end of July. 

mrussel1

HughFreakingDillon said:

Manitoba is at 80% single dose and 50% double dose, hitting our provincial targets weeks in advance. that's promising. my entire family is fully vaxxed so we can all eat out together next week after golf at the cottage. NORMALCY. 

however, the bible belt is still sitting at about 19% single dose. oh well. have FAITH, I guess. 

Is Alberta the Bible belt?

mickeyrat

Merkin Baller said:

used to be a democrat

Lerxst1992

Merkin Baller said:

It’s like a McBain movie, the GOP is trying to save real Americans from commie nazis: 

Don’t get vaccinated Lauren.  Cases are up 40% (14 day rolling ave). 300 covid fatalities a day would yield annualized about 100k per year , likely almost all Trump voters. So could be upwards of half a million deceased trump voters by 2024. Almost 100% of covid deaths in 2021 were unvaccinated. If they want to play this anti vax Russian roulette, go right ahead.

Meanwhile, Pfizer is developing a booster that is expected to improve its already very good record against all variants to date.

After seeing what happened 1/6, just trying to understand why any of this is bad news.

mickeyrat

coinkydink?

Coronavirus pandemic Coronavirus vaccine

Pfizer to seek OK for 3rd vaccine dose; shots still protect

By LAURAN NEERGAARD

8 Jul 2021

Pfizer is about to seek U.S. authorization for a third dose of its COVID-19 vaccine, saying Thursday that another shot within 12 months could dramatically boost immunity and maybe help ward off the latest worrisome coronavirus mutant.

Research from multiple countries shows the Pfizer shot and other widely used COVID-19 vaccines offer strong protection against the highly contagious delta variant, which is spreading rapidly around the world and now accounts for most new U.S. infections.

Two doses of most vaccines are critical to develop high levels of virus-fighting antibodies against all versions of the coronavirus, not just the delta variant -- and most of the world still is desperate to get those initial protective doses as the pandemic continues to rage.

But antibodies naturally wane over time, so studies also are underway to tell if and when boosters might be needed.

On Thursday, Pfizer’s Dr. Mikael Dolsten told The Associated Press that early data from the company's booster study suggests people’s antibody levels jump five- to 10-fold after a third dose, compared to their second dose months earlier.

In August, Pfizer plans to ask the Food and Drug Administration for emergency authorization of a third dose, he said.

Why might that matter for fighting the delta variant? Dolsten pointed to data from Britain and Israel showing the Pfizer vaccine “neutralizes the delta variant very well.” The assumption, he said, is that when antibodies drop low enough, the delta virus eventually could cause a mild infection before the immune system kicks back in.

But FDA authorization would be just a first step -- it wouldn’t automatically mean Americans get offered boosters, cautioned Dr. William Schaffner, a vaccine expert at Vanderbilt University Medical Center. Public health authorities would have to decide if they’re really needed, especially since millions of people have no protection.

“The vaccines were designed to keep us out of the hospital” and continue to do so despite the more contagious delta variant, he said. Giving another dose would be “a huge effort while we are at the moment striving to get people the first dose.”

Hours after Pfizer's announcement, U.S. health officials issued a statement saying fully vaccinated Americans don't need a booster yet.

U.S. health agencies “are engaged in a science-based, rigorous process to consider whether or when a booster might be necessary," the FDA and Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said in a joint statement. That work will include data from the drug companies, “but does not rely on those data exclusively,” and any decision on booster shots would happen only when “the science demonstrates that they are needed,” the agencies said.

Currently only about 48% of the U.S. population is fully vaccinated — and some parts of the country have far lower immunization rates, places where the delta variant is surging. On Thursday, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, the CDC director, said that’s leading to “two truths” — highly immunized swaths of America are getting back to normal while hospitalizations are rising in other places.

“This rapid rise is troubling,” she said: A few weeks ago the delta variant accounted for just over a quarter of new U.S. cases, but it now accounts for just over 50% — and in some places, such as parts of the Midwest, as much as 80%.

MORE ON THE PANDEMIC

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Also Thursday, researchers from France’s Pasteur Institute reported new evidence that full vaccination is critical.

In laboratory tests, blood from several dozen people given their first dose of the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines “barely inhibited” the delta variant, the team reported in the journal Nature. But weeks after getting their second dose, nearly all had what researchers deemed an immune boost strong enough to neutralize the delta variant — even if it was a little less potent than against earlier versions of the virus.

The French researchers also tested unvaccinated people who had survived a bout of the coronavirus, and found their antibodies were four-fold less potent against the new mutant. But a single vaccine dose dramatically boosted their antibody levels — sparking cross-protection against the delta variant and two other mutants, the study found. That supports public health recommendations that COVID-19 survivors get vaccinated rather than relying on natural immunity.

The lab experiments add to real-world data that the delta variant’s mutations aren’t evading the vaccines most widely used in Western countries, but underscore that it’s crucial to get more of the world immunized before the virus evolves even more.

Researchers in Britain found two doses of the Pfizer vaccine, for example, are 96% protective against hospitalization with the delta variant and 88% effective against symptomatic infection. That finding was echoed last weekend by Canadian researchers, while a report from Israel suggested protection against mild delta infection may have dipped lower, to 64%.

Whether the fully vaccinated still need to wear masks in places where the delta variant is surging is a growing question. In the U.S., the CDC maintains that fully vaccinated people don’t need to. Even before the delta variant came along, the vaccines weren’t perfect, but the best evidence suggests that if vaccinated people nonetheless get the coronavirus, they’ll have much milder cases.

“Let me emphasize, if you were vaccinated, you have a very high degree of protection,” Dr. Anthony Fauci, the U.S. government’s top infectious disease expert, said Thursday.

In the U.S., case rates have been rising for weeks and the rate of hospitalizations has started to tick up, rising 7% from the previous seven-day average, Walensky told reporters Thursday. However, deaths remain down on average, which some experts believe is at least partly due to high vaccination rates in people 65 and older — who are among the most susceptible to severe disease.

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Associated Press writer Mike Stobbe contributed to this story.

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The Associated Press Health and Science Department receives support from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Department of Science Education. The AP is solely responsible for all content.

josevolution

https://twitter.com/peterhotez/status/1413856747803000837?s=21
Oh boy this virus is relentless 

hedonist

josevolution said:

https://twitter.com/peterhotez/status/1413856747803000837?s=21
Oh boy this virus is relentless 

So many different subjects on that page. Sheesh, jose!

HughFreakingDillon

mrussel1 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Manitoba is at 80% single dose and 50% double dose, hitting our provincial targets weeks in advance. that's promising. my entire family is fully vaxxed so we can all eat out together next week after golf at the cottage. NORMALCY. 

however, the bible belt is still sitting at about 19% single dose. oh well. have FAITH, I guess. 

Is Alberta the Bible belt?

no, alberta is texas. Manitoba's bible belt is the the rural towns surrounding Winnipeg. mostly to the south near the US border. I'm not sure if other provinces have the same "problem". lol

The Juggler

Merkin Baller said:

Its like Bizarro America where Republicans were still normal, rational people.