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society dedication to Kurt Cobain

ssdr18ssdr18 Posts: 121
edited April 2008 in Words and Music...Communication
When you want more than you have
you think you need
and when you think more than you want
your thoughts begin to bleed
I think I need to find a bigger place
'cos when you have more than you think
you need more space
Society, you crazy breed
I hope your not lonely without me
society, crazy and deep
I hope your not lonely without me!
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  • South of SeattleSouth of Seattle Posts: 10,724
    Except Ed didn't write the song.
    NERDS!
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    I don't know what the hell is going on with this thread.

    What does one verse of Society have to do with KC?
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • bovy_jbovy_j Posts: 1,008
    OP u are not correct.
  • ssdr18ssdr18 Posts: 121
    yes, that is true, ed did not write the song, but states it is his favorite from the cd.
    2--much can be associated with Kurt, a young man the committed suicide, partially for not being able to cope with the demands of society..someone who just wanted to play his music...I hope your not lonely without me ---is a suicidal statement.
  • DanimalDanimal Posts: 2,000
    bovy_j wrote:
    OP u are not correct.

    YOU TELL'EM! TELL THAT OP!!!! TELL'EM!!!
    "I don't believe in PJ fans but I believe there is something, not too sure what." - Thoughts_Arrive


  • duggroduggro Posts: 1,343
    ssdr18 wrote:
    I hope your not lonely without me ---is a suicidal statement.
    i wouldnt say so

    it means i hope you arent lonely when i turn my back on you and go out on my own (think mccandless) as oppose to killing yourself.
    Dublin Leeds Berlin Wembley
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    October22 wrote:
    no, it is not.

    there is no reason to believe mccandless was suicidal when he "abandoned society".

    if you want to put your own spin on the meaning of a song, that's fine but you'll have a hard time convincing me (or anyone) that anything on the "into the wild" soundtrack is about anything other than the film "into the wild".

    Ding, ding, ding.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • ssdr18ssdr18 Posts: 121
    I am afraid I do not believe that. There is to much to suggest Chris was mentally ill. How many college males do you know were virgins, socially isolated, not interested in people, lived in empty rooms, burnt money, had significant mood swings, with moods that changed out of the blue? those are questions as starters.
  • angryyoungmanangryyoungman Posts: 1,028
    ssdr18 wrote:
    I am afraid I do not believe that. There is to much to suggest Chris was mentally ill. How many college males do you know were virgins, socially isolated, not interested in people, lived in empty rooms, burnt money, had significant mood swings, with moods that changed out of the blue? those are questions as starters.
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  • ironlionzion74ironlionzion74 Posts: 75
    ssdr18 wrote:
    yes, that is true, ed did not write the song, but states it is his favorite from the cd.
    2--much can be associated with Kurt, a young man the committed suicide, partially for not being able to cope with the demands of society..someone who just wanted to play his music...I hope your not lonely without me ---is a suicidal statement.
    I do not believe Kurt Cobain committed suicide.And I also do not believe Michael Hutchence from INXS or Stuart Adamson from Big Country did either.Unlike Cobain they were hung.Did you know thats the easiest way to murder someone and leave no evidence?And Society's lyrics--I hope your not lonely without me--being a suicidal statement?.....I guess if thats what you get out of it...to me it's just about getting away from all the bullshit of modern society and being in the real world, the natural world without much human disturbance.
  • vedderfan10vedderfan10 Posts: 2,497
    Clothes are hung....people are "hanged"....

    And you can be mentally ill without being suicidal. CC sounds like he had an adjustment disorder...
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Vedderfan10 wrote:
    Clothes are hung....people are "hanged"....

    Speak for yourself ... I'm hung. Very well, thank you.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • thecorythecory Posts: 290
    i agree w/ op. i think ed, kurt, and chris are all kindred spirits. thats why ed did such beautiful work on the soundtrack. whether " i hope you're not lonely without me" is suicidal or not i don't know but it's cryptic and could be suicidal.

    i loved itw soundtrack and society because ed is soooo intouch with people who are torn up inside. he feels for kurt, chris, and all of us who've felt like gettin the hell out. thank god that ed and all of us are still 'alive' to talk about it.
  • catefrancescatefrances Posts: 29,003
    ssdr18 wrote:
    yes, that is true, ed did not write the song, but states it is his favorite from the cd.
    2--much can be associated with Kurt, a young man the committed suicide, partially for not being able to cope with the demands of society..someone who just wanted to play his music...I hope your not lonely without me ---is a suicidal statement.

    this is such crap. all this statement is saying is that the person has removed themselves from society and all that means(for whatever reason) and hopes that society doesnt miss him, cause in the end he doesnt want to be missed. cause he feels no kindred spirit with society at all. i sense a little sarcasm in the lyric as well.
    hear my name
    take a good look
    this could be the day
    hold my hand
    lie beside me
    i just need to say
  • PJammer4lifePJammer4life Posts: 2,647
    i hope your not lonely without me, cause i'm leaving society for the alaskan wilderness and giving it all away, rejecting society and going back to nature.
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  • sachincsachinc Posts: 117
    Read whatever the hell you want into it. But think before you tell everyone.

    McCandless was not suicidal. In fact, he was the opposite. He went in search of life, in a greater sense, without the perversion of modern society.

    Also EV did not write the lyrics. Lets get him out of any envolvement in it.

    Society is a very poignant song about morals and values. It is almost McCandless' justificiation for leaving and his message to his family and friends: LITERALLY: 'Hope your not lonely without me.'

    Otherwise ITW is an awesome soundtrack.
  • ssdr18ssdr18 Posts: 121
    very good insight
  • ssdr18ssdr18 Posts: 121
    the song is subject to interpretation. My reading was a reference to suicidality. Not spirituality. Humans are social species. By instinct and nature
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    ssdr18 wrote:
    the song is subject to interpretation. My reading was a reference to suicidality. Not spirituality. Humans are social species. By instinct and nature

    You can think it's about Robin Williams leaving the Dead Poets Society if you want to ... doesn't mean you're right.

    There is not one shred of evidence in the rest of the lyrics that points to suicide. Not one. The lyrics are about a society of greed, people wanting more than they have because they think they need it ... the song is about the realization that you don't need more than it takes to survive.

    In that sense, I think the song is about survival, the exact opposite of suicide.

    Thanks for playing, though
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • IAmMyselfIAmMyself Posts: 671
    IMO, I don't think society has anything to do with suicide.

    On the other hand, I believe Chris definitely had suicidal thoughts. I believe he didn't care if he lived or died; he just wanted to find himself and be true to himself; and when he did, he died.
    "Please help me to help you, help yourself." EV
  • sachincsachinc Posts: 117
    ssdr18 wrote:
    the song is subject to interpretation. My reading was a reference to suicidality. Not spirituality. Humans are social species. By instinct and nature

    You are perfectly right in the social instincts.

    However, spirituality is BULLSHIT. I am talking about life as in freedom.
  • ssdr18ssdr18 Posts: 121
    My initial reference however was a dedication to Kurt Cobain...
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    ssdr18 wrote:
    My initial reference however was a dedication to Kurt Cobain...

    Great. I'm sure he loved it.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • sachincsachinc Posts: 117
    ssdr18 wrote:
    My initial reference however was a dedication to Kurt Cobain...

    I know. You took my words to mean something else and so i corrected you.

    If only whoever wrote society would do the same...
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