Hey how about those 2 missing Ten Club singles!

JimmyV

BennyLaRue said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so was I. But anytime anyone so much as bumps this thread the children come out with their stupid memes and gifs. and I think if the club really felt threatened by this thread, they'd have shut it down weeks ago. I don't think they require anyone defending them. 

I actually do think calling for sanity and perspective is sometimes required on the internet. If this whole thread were just a groupthink train of calls for legal action, with no one saying "whoa, hol'up, you're being crazy", that can compel people to join in and act on said craziness. If just one person reads my posts and thinks, "ok, he's right, this is a little much, these are people who make mistakes just like me, I'll take it down a notch", then it's worthwhile. I actually don't think 10C requires a defense from me, particularly because I'm 100% certain 10C's Terms and Conditions are protection enough and lawsuits would go nowhere, but sharing thoughts shapes the perspectives of undecideds.

Reddit is a great example of how dangerous that shit can be because it's a heavily moderated environment and dissent is often removed or downvoted so it isn't visible. Opposing views help to temper craziness.

These threads have never been a groupthink train of calls for legal action. 

BennyLaRue

JimmyV said:

BennyLaRue said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so was I. But anytime anyone so much as bumps this thread the children come out with their stupid memes and gifs. and I think if the club really felt threatened by this thread, they'd have shut it down weeks ago. I don't think they require anyone defending them. 

I actually do think calling for sanity and perspective is sometimes required on the internet. If this whole thread were just a groupthink train of calls for legal action, with no one saying "whoa, hol'up, you're being crazy", that can compel people to join in and act on said craziness. If just one person reads my posts and thinks, "ok, he's right, this is a little much, these are people who make mistakes just like me, I'll take it down a notch", then it's worthwhile. I actually don't think 10C requires a defense from me, particularly because I'm 100% certain 10C's Terms and Conditions are protection enough and lawsuits would go nowhere, but sharing thoughts shapes the perspectives of undecideds.

Reddit is a great example of how dangerous that shit can be because it's a heavily moderated environment and dissent is often removed or downvoted so it isn't visible. Opposing views help to temper craziness.

These threads have never been a groupthink train of calls for legal action. 

Didn't say it was. I was responding to Hugh suggesting a defense wasn't required and using a scenario to illustrate my point.

HughFreakingDillon

BennyLaRue said:

JimmyV said:

BennyLaRue said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so was I. But anytime anyone so much as bumps this thread the children come out with their stupid memes and gifs. and I think if the club really felt threatened by this thread, they'd have shut it down weeks ago. I don't think they require anyone defending them. 

I actually do think calling for sanity and perspective is sometimes required on the internet. If this whole thread were just a groupthink train of calls for legal action, with no one saying "whoa, hol'up, you're being crazy", that can compel people to join in and act on said craziness. If just one person reads my posts and thinks, "ok, he's right, this is a little much, these are people who make mistakes just like me, I'll take it down a notch", then it's worthwhile. I actually don't think 10C requires a defense from me, particularly because I'm 100% certain 10C's Terms and Conditions are protection enough and lawsuits would go nowhere, but sharing thoughts shapes the perspectives of undecideds.

Reddit is a great example of how dangerous that shit can be because it's a heavily moderated environment and dissent is often removed or downvoted so it isn't visible. Opposing views help to temper craziness.

These threads have never been a groupthink train of calls for legal action. 

Didn't say it was. I was responding to Hugh suggesting a defense wasn't required and using a scenario to illustrate my point.

I know, but what I (and possiblyJimmy) is getting to, is that the backlash to this is out of proportion to the initial complaint. 

BennyLaRue

HughFreakingDillon said:

BennyLaRue said:

JimmyV said:

BennyLaRue said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so was I. But anytime anyone so much as bumps this thread the children come out with their stupid memes and gifs. and I think if the club really felt threatened by this thread, they'd have shut it down weeks ago. I don't think they require anyone defending them. 

I actually do think calling for sanity and perspective is sometimes required on the internet. If this whole thread were just a groupthink train of calls for legal action, with no one saying "whoa, hol'up, you're being crazy", that can compel people to join in and act on said craziness. If just one person reads my posts and thinks, "ok, he's right, this is a little much, these are people who make mistakes just like me, I'll take it down a notch", then it's worthwhile. I actually don't think 10C requires a defense from me, particularly because I'm 100% certain 10C's Terms and Conditions are protection enough and lawsuits would go nowhere, but sharing thoughts shapes the perspectives of undecideds.

Reddit is a great example of how dangerous that shit can be because it's a heavily moderated environment and dissent is often removed or downvoted so it isn't visible. Opposing views help to temper craziness.

These threads have never been a groupthink train of calls for legal action. 

Didn't say it was. I was responding to Hugh suggesting a defense wasn't required and using a scenario to illustrate my point.

I know, but what I (and possiblyJimmy) is getting to, is that the backlash to this is out of proportion to the initial complaint. 

I can't speak for everyone else and my comments are usually funnier than theirs (this recent run excepted).

JimmyV

BennyLaRue said:

JimmyV said:

BennyLaRue said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so was I. But anytime anyone so much as bumps this thread the children come out with their stupid memes and gifs. and I think if the club really felt threatened by this thread, they'd have shut it down weeks ago. I don't think they require anyone defending them. 

I actually do think calling for sanity and perspective is sometimes required on the internet. If this whole thread were just a groupthink train of calls for legal action, with no one saying "whoa, hol'up, you're being crazy", that can compel people to join in and act on said craziness. If just one person reads my posts and thinks, "ok, he's right, this is a little much, these are people who make mistakes just like me, I'll take it down a notch", then it's worthwhile. I actually don't think 10C requires a defense from me, particularly because I'm 100% certain 10C's Terms and Conditions are protection enough and lawsuits would go nowhere, but sharing thoughts shapes the perspectives of undecideds.

Reddit is a great example of how dangerous that shit can be because it's a heavily moderated environment and dissent is often removed or downvoted so it isn't visible. Opposing views help to temper craziness.

These threads have never been a groupthink train of calls for legal action. 

Didn't say it was. I was responding to Hugh suggesting a defense wasn't required and using a scenario to illustrate my point.

It read like nutpicking. 

pjl44

broloco said:

Half kidding half serious but is there a shot at a class action suit? It may have been said in this thread already or another thread but I didn’t read it all through.
WTF 10C!!!!! 

disilluzion said:

To answer the question above, if we don't get these by EOY, I wouldn't be surprised if someone started a class action suit. Not me, as that sounds like WAY too much work, but I'm sure there are many that would.

And to touch on the personal feel of said singles: Them recently releasing them all for profit, the exact opposite of their original intention, further solidifies that they are a business first and band second.

BF25394 said:

goldrush said:

Yes, we are owed singles that we have paid for. No, I don’t believe PJ or 10C have done anything illegal. 

Breach of contract is illegal.  We're well past the point where non-performance gives rise to a valid legal claim for breach of contract.

You don't have to care that they're in breach of contract, and you can feel disdain towards those who do care, but it's a breach of contract regardless.

ldent42 said:

Tim Simmons said:

We don’t NEED them, we can still buy tickets from TM.

to me, this is the band letting us down more than anything. But going off what Mike said in the Gigaton press release, it seems the past few years have not been good for them. So this kinda makes sense.

Where can I read this? 


Also, I didn't read this whole thread and I'm not an analog member so I have no reason too be concerned with this issue, but while I see the AG was already contacted. I believe complaints can also be made to the BBB if anyone felt so inclined

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Do we have any lawyers in the club? Class action lawsuit? Those seem to be popular these days.

pjl44

HesCalledDyer said:

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Do we have any lawyers in the club? Class action lawsuit? Those seem to be popular these days.

Gotta watch that one.  Someone else mentioned that early on in the thread and got vilified for it, despite being totally just in that suggestion.  I'd sign it.  We're talking millions of dollars and promised goods not delivered.  Sounds like a class action suit waiting to happen!

HughFreakingDillon

pjl44 said:

broloco said:

Half kidding half serious but is there a shot at a class action suit? It may have been said in this thread already or another thread but I didn’t read it all through.
WTF 10C!!!!! 

disilluzion said:

To answer the question above, if we don't get these by EOY, I wouldn't be surprised if someone started a class action suit. Not me, as that sounds like WAY too much work, but I'm sure there are many that would.

And to touch on the personal feel of said singles: Them recently releasing them all for profit, the exact opposite of their original intention, further solidifies that they are a business first and band second.

BF25394 said:

goldrush said:

Yes, we are owed singles that we have paid for. No, I don’t believe PJ or 10C have done anything illegal. 

Breach of contract is illegal.  We're well past the point where non-performance gives rise to a valid legal claim for breach of contract.

You don't have to care that they're in breach of contract, and you can feel disdain towards those who do care, but it's a breach of contract regardless.

ldent42 said:

Tim Simmons said:

We don’t NEED them, we can still buy tickets from TM.

to me, this is the band letting us down more than anything. But going off what Mike said in the Gigaton press release, it seems the past few years have not been good for them. So this kinda makes sense.

Where can I read this? 


Also, I didn't read this whole thread and I'm not an analog member so I have no reason too be concerned with this issue, but while I see the AG was already contacted. I believe complaints can also be made to the BBB if anyone felt so inclined

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Do we have any lawyers in the club? Class action lawsuit? Those seem to be popular these days.

come on. none of these are seriously considering actually doing it. 

Tim Simmons

So then they are just being over the top dramatic?

pjl44

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

broloco said:

Half kidding half serious but is there a shot at a class action suit? It may have been said in this thread already or another thread but I didn’t read it all through.
WTF 10C!!!!! 

disilluzion said:

To answer the question above, if we don't get these by EOY, I wouldn't be surprised if someone started a class action suit. Not me, as that sounds like WAY too much work, but I'm sure there are many that would.

And to touch on the personal feel of said singles: Them recently releasing them all for profit, the exact opposite of their original intention, further solidifies that they are a business first and band second.

BF25394 said:

goldrush said:

Yes, we are owed singles that we have paid for. No, I don’t believe PJ or 10C have done anything illegal. 

Breach of contract is illegal.  We're well past the point where non-performance gives rise to a valid legal claim for breach of contract.

You don't have to care that they're in breach of contract, and you can feel disdain towards those who do care, but it's a breach of contract regardless.

ldent42 said:

Tim Simmons said:

We don’t NEED them, we can still buy tickets from TM.

to me, this is the band letting us down more than anything. But going off what Mike said in the Gigaton press release, it seems the past few years have not been good for them. So this kinda makes sense.

Where can I read this? 


Also, I didn't read this whole thread and I'm not an analog member so I have no reason too be concerned with this issue, but while I see the AG was already contacted. I believe complaints can also be made to the BBB if anyone felt so inclined

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Do we have any lawyers in the club? Class action lawsuit? Those seem to be popular these days.

come on. none of these are seriously considering actually doing it. 

JimmyV

I'm not about to dig back through pages of old posts and threads, but I am pretty certain the passionate defenses of 10c on this issue started long before anyone threatened legal action. 

Tim Simmons

I think it was more calls for patience at that point. It was when that one dude called the Washington AG is when this thread went off the rails.

HughFreakingDillon

pjl44 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

broloco said:

Half kidding half serious but is there a shot at a class action suit? It may have been said in this thread already or another thread but I didn’t read it all through.
WTF 10C!!!!! 

disilluzion said:

To answer the question above, if we don't get these by EOY, I wouldn't be surprised if someone started a class action suit. Not me, as that sounds like WAY too much work, but I'm sure there are many that would.

And to touch on the personal feel of said singles: Them recently releasing them all for profit, the exact opposite of their original intention, further solidifies that they are a business first and band second.

BF25394 said:

goldrush said:

Yes, we are owed singles that we have paid for. No, I don’t believe PJ or 10C have done anything illegal. 

Breach of contract is illegal.  We're well past the point where non-performance gives rise to a valid legal claim for breach of contract.

You don't have to care that they're in breach of contract, and you can feel disdain towards those who do care, but it's a breach of contract regardless.

ldent42 said:

Tim Simmons said:

We don’t NEED them, we can still buy tickets from TM.

to me, this is the band letting us down more than anything. But going off what Mike said in the Gigaton press release, it seems the past few years have not been good for them. So this kinda makes sense.

Where can I read this? 


Also, I didn't read this whole thread and I'm not an analog member so I have no reason too be concerned with this issue, but while I see the AG was already contacted. I believe complaints can also be made to the BBB if anyone felt so inclined

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Do we have any lawyers in the club? Class action lawsuit? Those seem to be popular these days.

come on. none of these are seriously considering actually doing it. 

that's what you get for trying to kick a field goal with a giant egg. 

pjl44

JimmyV said:

I'm not about to dig back through pages of old posts and threads, but I am pretty certain the passionate defenses of 10c on this issue started long before anyone threatened legal action. 

I would not be certain that your selective memory improves as the posts get older

jeffbr

JimmyV said:

I'm not about to dig back through pages of old posts and threads, but I am pretty certain the passionate defenses of 10c on this issue started long before anyone threatened legal action. 

Absolutely correct. There have been a number of threads about this topic, and this is the first one I remember there being talk of legal action (which I've never suggested or endorsed - although I understand the sentiment). The defenders of the faith can be found en masse in all of those threads rallying in defense of their holy and sacred fan club.

HughFreakingDillon

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

broloco said:

Half kidding half serious but is there a shot at a class action suit? It may have been said in this thread already or another thread but I didn’t read it all through.
WTF 10C!!!!! 

disilluzion said:

To answer the question above, if we don't get these by EOY, I wouldn't be surprised if someone started a class action suit. Not me, as that sounds like WAY too much work, but I'm sure there are many that would.

And to touch on the personal feel of said singles: Them recently releasing them all for profit, the exact opposite of their original intention, further solidifies that they are a business first and band second.

BF25394 said:

goldrush said:

Yes, we are owed singles that we have paid for. No, I don’t believe PJ or 10C have done anything illegal. 

Breach of contract is illegal.  We're well past the point where non-performance gives rise to a valid legal claim for breach of contract.

You don't have to care that they're in breach of contract, and you can feel disdain towards those who do care, but it's a breach of contract regardless.

ldent42 said:

Tim Simmons said:

We don’t NEED them, we can still buy tickets from TM.

to me, this is the band letting us down more than anything. But going off what Mike said in the Gigaton press release, it seems the past few years have not been good for them. So this kinda makes sense.

Where can I read this? 


Also, I didn't read this whole thread and I'm not an analog member so I have no reason too be concerned with this issue, but while I see the AG was already contacted. I believe complaints can also be made to the BBB if anyone felt so inclined

THEBIBLEISTEN said:

Do we have any lawyers in the club? Class action lawsuit? Those seem to be popular these days.

come on. none of these are seriously considering actually doing it. 

I also stated that what they have done is essentially fraud (or breach of contract or whatever the proper legal term is here). that's just stating a fact. which is what many here have done. that's what class action lawsuits are meant for: is it worth it to go to court over $10? no, but bilking $10 out of hundreds of thousands of people is cause for alarm and honestly, big companies are held to account that way. 

only one person went to the AG. Pretty sure that's all that is going to happen as well. 

edit: this was meant as a response to Tim's post, not sure what happened here. 

100 Pacer

Tim Simmons said:

I think it was more calls for patience at that point. It was when that one dude called the Washington AG is when this thread went off the rails.

He actually called?! 

Wow.

HughFreakingDillon

pjl44 said:

JimmyV said:

I'm not about to dig back through pages of old posts and threads, but I am pretty certain the passionate defenses of 10c on this issue started long before anyone threatened legal action. 

I would not be certain that your selective memory improves as the posts get older

 jimmy is 100% correct. people have been raising concerns about this since 1994. and there have been just as many, if not more, support-the-band-to-the-end folks. 

HughFreakingDillon

100 Pacer said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think it was more calls for patience at that point. It was when that one dude called the Washington AG is when this thread went off the rails.

He actually called?! 

Wow.

or sent a letter or something. didn't he get a letter back?

pjl44

HughFreakingDillon said:

pjl44 said:

JimmyV said:

I'm not about to dig back through pages of old posts and threads, but I am pretty certain the passionate defenses of 10c on this issue started long before anyone threatened legal action. 

I would not be certain that your selective memory improves as the posts get older

 jimmy is 100% correct. people have been raising concerns about this since 1994. and there have been just as many, if not more, support-the-band-to-the-end folks. 

Man, I don't think anyone here has said boo about whatever may have been discussed in the 90s!