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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    DewieCox said:
    Bad song. Just so heavy handed. I do kinda dig the second, sorta atmospheric guitar and the acoustic break between verses.
    Yeah, not the catchiest song, but as a performance art piece, if you will, I give it a 10 out 10.

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  • pursuedbybearpursuedbybear Posts: 108
    Always loved this song. Would absolutely love to see it return. 
  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Idk, I love the beginning guitar play before the first verse, Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies.......

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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,373
    Both the "Blackout weaves..." and "I remember when you sang..." parts are solid hooks and I find myself liking it more as time goes on...but, yeah, the song is obviously a thing of the past now, as it's not timely.  
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    What if it was sang in the past tense? He wasn’t a leader he was a Texas leaguer, ect.
    While I agree in some way it is in the past, many people are still dealing with the horrible consequences from his horrible presidency.

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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,757
    Saw it at Uniondale and man did it create some tension!  I like the chorus but the spoken word fell flat on me. The song seems pretty irrelevant now so I m not sure why they would play it live. I guess if he switched the words up but otherwise let it sit on the shelve. There are   Plenty of others that need to be played more.  
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    edited May 2019
    ”the haves have not a fucking clue, but they got their tax cut” June 25 2003.
    I like that little change in the lyrics, lol.
    edit *haves not halves🥵
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,273
    BettrMan21 said:
    I think I remember reading somewhere that Stone said Ed had a fantastic vocal melody for this song that was recorded but scrapped because Ed wanted the spoken word more. Would love to hear this.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,273
    and "born on 3rd, thinks he got a triple" works for trump as well. 
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    🤔
    Born on third, complained it wasn’t a homer.
    Born on 2nd, stole 3rd.
    Born on 2nd, stole the catchers sign. 
    Called out on strikes, appealed to ump, ump gave him first.

    lol, I tried.


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  • cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,702
    I just don't like the tune.  There were other bands doing much better anti-President songs during that era (Linkin Park actually had a really well written record about the whole deal).  

    I was in NY for the blackout in 2003.  That was pretty badass.  
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,154
    Ed could just write all new lyrics to it if he wanted, keep everything the same, except the lyrics. Make them about Trump. That would be awesome. But he won't, lol.
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,313
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ed could just write all new lyrics to it if he wanted, keep everything the same, except the lyrics. Make them about Trump. That would be awesome. But he won't, lol.
    Not sure he's mentioned his name from stage. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,808
    DewieCox said:
    Bad song. Just so heavy handed. I do kinda dig the second, sorta atmospheric guitar and the acoustic break between verses.
    Yeah, the guitar part is cool.  I don't think of Bu$hleaguer so much as a bad song as I do a good statement.   That guitar part you refer to (I agree it's pretty cool) kind of serves as an interlude to a piece that seems purposely heavy handed and as oppressive and close as the air in an un-ventilated room on a hot day in the middle of July.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    cp3iverson said:
    Linkin Park actually had a really well written record
    I’ll take “Things That Never Happened” for $500, Alex.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,154
    edited May 2019
    NewJPage said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ed could just write all new lyrics to it if he wanted, keep everything the same, except the lyrics. Make them about Trump. That would be awesome. But he won't, lol.
    Not sure he's mentioned his name from stage. 
    Whose name? Trump's? Maybe not explicitly.... He seems scared to be political these days, which is a little surprising and sad.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    PJ_Soul said:
    NewJPage said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ed could just write all new lyrics to it if he wanted, keep everything the same, except the lyrics. Make them about Trump. That would be awesome. But he won't, lol.
    Not sure he's mentioned his name from stage. 
    Whose name? Trump's? Maybe not explicitly.... He seems scared to be political these days, which is a little surprising and sad.
    Yeah, Ed's just a bench player in the political rock star game these days. He had to take his cues from Bruce last time he got political. So I don't expect anything original from him these days.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,273
    edited May 2019
    PJ_Soul said:
    NewJPage said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    Ed could just write all new lyrics to it if he wanted, keep everything the same, except the lyrics. Make them about Trump. That would be awesome. But he won't, lol.
    Not sure he's mentioned his name from stage. 
    Whose name? Trump's? Maybe not explicitly.... He seems scared to be political these days, which is a little surprising and sad.
    I don't if he's ever said his actual name, but he mentioned something like "our current president" or something like that, and he also said that Mind Your Manners was not about him in South America I believe, he's not worth mentioning in song or something of the like. 

    edit: not mind your manners, can't deny me
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  • TheLuckyOnesTheLuckyOnes Posts: 472
    Hi! said:
    ”the haves have not a fucking clue, but they got their tax cut” June 25 2003.
    I like that little change in the lyrics, lol.
    edit *haves not halves🥵
    Talk about still relevant.....

    I was at that show. That was also the show where he went on a rant about corporations buying up newspapers (lol those were the days), Miller Lite being piss beer, and Sheryl Crow music. 

    Agree with basic premise of this thread. Great chorus and pre-chorus, and good outro also. No, I don't think they should perform it ever again.
    Instead they should write some equally decent songs about our horrible present-day politics.

    Cheers
  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    TheLuckyOnes said:
    Hi! said:
    ”the haves have not a fucking clue, but they got their tax cut” June 25 2003.
    I like that little change in the lyrics, lol.
    edit *haves not halves🥵
    Talk about still relevant.....

    I was at that show. That was also the show where he went on a rant about corporations buying up newspapers (lol those were the days), Miller Lite being piss beer, and Sheryl Crow music. 

    Agree with basic premise of this thread. Great chorus and pre-chorus, and good outro also. No, I don't think they should perform it ever again.
    Instead they should write some equally decent songs about our horrible present-day politics.

    Cheers
    Yeah, I thought I read somewhere about some drama around ticketing, he mentioned the first few rows the next night. I think it had to do with the advertisers getting tickets upfront. Not sure.  

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  • PB11041PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,811
    Do people really not know what the "Bush Leagues" are? Do they not get all the minor league baseball references?  

    You can't just change the lyrics and make it about anyone.  
    His eminence has yet to show. 
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  • KN219077KN219077 Montana Posts: 1,165
    Bush was more classically make-fun-able. Trump lampoons himself and is already a joke so the punchline is already taken. 
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,947
    edited May 2019
    PB11041 said:
    Do people really not know what the "Bush Leagues" are? Do they not get all the minor league baseball references?  

    You can't just change the lyrics and make it about anyone.  
    Baseball is played in like one (1) country in the world. So first, I don't see what would be surprising about people not knowing that.

    Second, You don't need the pun in the title to be able to have baseball references
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  • rummyrummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,458
    edited May 2019
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PB11041 said:
    Do people really not know what the "Bush Leagues" are? Do they not get all the minor league baseball references?  

    You can't just change the lyrics and make it about anyone.  
    Baseball is played in like one (1) country in the world. So first, I don't see what would be surprising about people not knowing that.
    Uh, oh. The people of Latin America (understandably) might begin an uprising....
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,757
    rummy said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PB11041 said:
    Do people really not know what the "Bush Leagues" are? Do they not get all the minor league baseball references?  

    You can't just change the lyrics and make it about anyone.  
    Baseball is played in like one (1) country in the world. So first, I don't see what would be surprising about people not knowing that.
    Uh, oh. The people of Latin America (understandably) might begin an uprising....
    And Japan.  
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,947
    Oh, you have yourself a little "coalition of the willing" there. Haha.
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  • rummyrummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,458
    edited May 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    rummy said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PB11041 said:
    Do people really not know what the "Bush Leagues" are? Do they not get all the minor league baseball references?  

    You can't just change the lyrics and make it about anyone.  
    Baseball is played in like one (1) country in the world. So first, I don't see what would be surprising about people not knowing that.
    Uh, oh. The people of Latin America (understandably) might begin an uprising....
    And Japan.  
    Oh shit. How did I forget about Japan - and South Korea!?
  • rummyrummy British Columbia, Canada Posts: 4,458
    In the end, I'm in agreement with those who who think the riffs are pretty cool, the lyrics are too much "on the nose," and the song is past its time. At least we have access to all those 2003 bootlegs!
  • PB11041PB11041 Earth Posts: 2,811
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PB11041 said:
    Do people really not know what the "Bush Leagues" are? Do they not get all the minor league baseball references?  

    You can't just change the lyrics and make it about anyone.  
    Baseball is played in like one (1) country in the world. So first, I don't see what would be surprising about people not knowing that.

    Second, You don't need the pun in the title to be able to have baseball references
    The lyrical elements of the song do not work at all without the pun.  
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,947
    edited May 2019
    PB11041 said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PB11041 said:
    Do people really not know what the "Bush Leagues" are? Do they not get all the minor league baseball references?  

    You can't just change the lyrics and make it about anyone.  
    Baseball is played in like one (1) country in the world. So first, I don't see what would be surprising about people not knowing that.

    Second, You don't need the pun in the title to be able to have baseball references
    The lyrical elements of the song do not work at all without the pun.  
    The pun isn't even in the song, just the title. So you say the song doesn't work without the title? How many knew the title in 2003, when they played it touring an album that sold worst in their career?

    Please point out all the (baseball) references in the song being lost without the pun of the title? 

    "Born on third, thinks he got a triple" existed and worked before Pearl Jam used it in the song for Bush.

    If the song would have been called "Commander dumbass" instead the song lyrics wouldn't loose any meaning or power. 
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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