PJ has been fortunate to have many awesome drummers.
This is true.
Funny how people jump down your throat around here if you say anything positive about Dave A. I'm not a musician so I don't know anything about his drumming techniques or any of that stuff but all I know is that I absolutely love listening to those bootlegs from the early years with Dave A....so much energy and intensity.
Definitely enjoyed the band’s sound during Dave’s tenure for the raw power, had fun grooving along to Jack, but certainly appreciate the evolution with Matt and his time signature.
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Hate the way the songs have been sped up with Matt !
Lmao. Another bad point. Do you really think If EV and the rest didn’t want certain songs at that tempo, they wouldn’t say something?i think we all know who’s in charge and it’s certainly not Matt. Matt can play at any tempo, any time signature anytime. He’s a world class drummer.
lol it doesn’t mean I have to like them being played that way , so what your a drummer I’m not questioning Matt prowess as a drummer..
Dave was the best man for the job in that era. However, I don’t think PJ would have evolved into the band I fell in love with Dave behind the kit. Don’t forget about Jack, he brought something to the table that inspired them greatly in the studio.
Also Matt F Cameron is the best overall drummer they’ve had 😬
thank you for inspiring me to go listen to Jack era PJ.
i love Matt. He’s been with them for ever and fits with the band really well. They all have impeccable chemistry.
Also as a fan, I love how they still do stuff with krusen, irons, ect. I wish they would show some love towards Dave A. There is a lot of tension still and as a fan, I don’t like that kind of tension.
Its like when David Gilmour is in the same room as Roger Waters. The fans love it!
i love Matt. He’s been with them for ever and fits with the band really well. They all have impeccable chemistry.
Also as a fan, I love how they still do stuff with krusen, irons, ect. I wish they would show some love towards Dave A. There is a lot of tension still and as a fan, I don’t like that kind of tension.
Its like when David Gilmour is in the same room as Roger Waters. The fans love it!
I think that tension has eased off. they played Angel, and mentioned how Dave wrote it. Then Ed mentioned him at the RRHOF and said how awesome a drummer he is....
i love Matt. He’s been with them for ever and fits with the band really well. They all have impeccable chemistry.
Also as a fan, I love how they still do stuff with krusen, irons, ect. I wish they would show some love towards Dave A. There is a lot of tension still and as a fan, I don’t like that kind of tension.
Its like when David Gilmour is in the same room as Roger Waters. The fans love it!
Right, we don't have to live with the guy in the studio and on the road for months at a time. If MC make them happier, more comfortable, better able to enjoy their work, then MC every day of the week. For me, it's about keeping the music alive.
Hate the way the songs have been sped up with Matt !
Lmao. Another bad point. Do you really think If EV and the rest didn’t want certain songs at that tempo, they wouldn’t say something?i think we all know who’s in charge and it’s certainly not Matt. Matt can play at any tempo, any time signature anytime. He’s a world class drummer.
lol it doesn’t mean I have to like them being played that way , so what your a drummer I’m not questioning Matt prowess as a drummer..
My only point is, it’s not up to him therefore he can’t be blamed.
PJ has been fortunate to have many awesome drummers.
This is true.
Funny how people jump down your throat around here if you say anything positive about Dave A. I'm not a musician so I don't know anything about his drumming techniques or any of that stuff but all I know is that I absolutely love listening to those bootlegs from the early years with Dave A....so much energy and intensity.
Dave A was really good during his time as drummer for PJ. A lot of energy and passion is true
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You dislike the man because of his use of cymbals? Really?
Matts 'time signatures'?
The real difference between the two, given the sample size we have, is Abruzzese was able to bring the music up through Eddies voice. He knew when to pull back and let Ed shine, but he also knew when to beat the shit out of the drums and destroy a Snare like it owed him money. This became more apparent in the Vs. era when we got songs like Daughter and Small Town. This cymbal argument is stupid. Dave used the cymbals to keep his timing of the more fast paced songs better and accent parts of the song. The first couple of times he played with the band, all of that shit was ad-libbed as he had to figure out his groove with PJ.
Everything Dave is doing with the splash (the smallest and most high pitched cymbal) from 1:24-2:00 is to keep time and accent. From 2:00-2:14 he pulls back on the splash accenting because he is anticipating the end of the Mikes mini solo. He then transitions his accenting to the China and other symbols. All of those are basically mini fills. Dave is literally going off the cuff to put something of his in the music that you may have never noticed before. So don't give me this bullshit that Dave A has no awareness. Watch the whole Porch solo. The man could JAM, then go back into the shit like nothing happened. To throw a shot out there, he didn't need a fucking drum solo... he WAS a fucking drum solo.
I have absolutely no problem with MFC at all. But some of you have been listening to Ed for so long that you think you were also there that day that Abbruzzese supposedly said he quit. The funny thing is, the people saying MC is the best drummer for PJ just to slight Dave A are probably the same people who would tell you PJ isn't even Matt Camerons best work.
In the grand scheme of things, whats the point of arguing over this? We've literally had a vast spectrum of PJ drummers over different decades and eras. And if you ask me, each drummer we've gotten to meet has been perfect for the era they served in, and if it was any other way there would be a glitch in the matrix. If Dave A stayed behind the skins for PJ from 1991 to eternity, we would be so bored here we would have threads entitled "what if TOTD truly became Pearl Jam and Matt Cameron stayed behind the drum set?" The grass is always greener....
Dave is literally going off the cuff to put something of his in the music that you may have never noticed before. So don't give me this bullshit that Dave A has no awareness. Watch the whole Porch solo. The man could JAM, then go back into the shit like nothing happened. To throw a shot out there, he didn't need a fucking drum solo... he WAS a fucking drum solo.
Who in this thread anywhere said Dave has no awareness of playing the drums.
I have no issue with his drumming at all. But when people claim - as they did in that one thread that got shut down a couple years ago - that he is THE reason for all of Pearl Jam’s success, I laugh hysterically.
I have no issue with his drumming at all. But when people claim - as they did in that one thread that got shut down a couple years ago - that he is THE reason for all of Pearl Jam’s success, I laugh hysterically.
Right, if that were true he would have gone and started another band that was at least equally as successful. Alas, Dave Grohl he is not.
I have no issue with his drumming at all. But when people claim - as they did in that one thread that got shut down a couple years ago - that he is THE reason for all of Pearl Jam’s success, I laugh hysterically.
Right, if that were true he would have gone and started another band that was at least equally as successful. Alas, Dave Grohl he is not.
Tired and faulty argument. And you know it.
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I have no issue with his drumming at all. But when people claim - as they did in that one thread that got shut down a couple years ago - that he is THE reason for all of Pearl Jam’s success, I laugh hysterically.
Right, if that were true he would have gone and started another band that was at least equally as successful. Alas, Dave Grohl he is not.
Tired and faulty argument. And you know it.
Sure, care to explain how that doesn't support Dyer's argument? Instead of your normal strategy of saying unsubstantiated idiotic shit, try providing some supporting argument? Why didn't Dave A go on to do anything meaningful besides jail time if he was the force behind PJ? Make an argument rather than trolling...once..please? Give it a try genius.
I have no issue with his drumming at all. But when people claim - as they did in that one thread that got shut down a couple years ago - that he is THE reason for all of Pearl Jam’s success, I laugh hysterically.
Right, if that were true he would have gone and started another band that was at least equally as successful. Alas, Dave Grohl he is not.
Tired and faulty argument. And you know it.
Sure, care to explain how that doesn't support Dyer's argument? Instead of your normal strategy of saying unsubstantiated idiotic shit, try providing some supporting argument? Why didn't Dave A go on to do anything meaningful besides jail time if he was the force behind PJ? Make an argument rather than trolling...once..please? Give it a try genius.
Why would I respond to someone describing me and talking to me like you do in your post? Answer that. Give it a try with all of your condescending.
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Funny how people jump down your throat around here if you say anything positive about Dave A. I'm not a musician so I don't know anything about his drumming techniques or any of that stuff but all I know is that I absolutely love listening to those bootlegs from the early years with Dave A....so much energy and intensity.
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I do think there is a big chance that the people feeling they have to add the "fucking" between Matt and Cameron though are towing the party line.
i love Matt. He’s been with them for ever and fits with the band really well. They all have impeccable chemistry.
Also as a fan, I love how they still do stuff with krusen, irons, ect. I wish they would show some love towards Dave A. There is a lot of tension still and as a fan, I don’t like that kind of tension.
Its like when David Gilmour is in the same room as Roger Waters. The fans love it!
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You dislike the man because of his use of cymbals? Really?
Matts 'time signatures'?
The real difference between the two, given the sample size we have, is Abruzzese was able to bring the music up through Eddies voice. He knew when to pull back and let Ed shine, but he also knew when to beat the shit out of the drums and destroy a Snare like it owed him money. This became more apparent in the Vs. era when we got songs like Daughter and Small Town. This cymbal argument is stupid. Dave used the cymbals to keep his timing of the more fast paced songs better and accent parts of the song. The first couple of times he played with the band, all of that shit was ad-libbed as he had to figure out his groove with PJ.
I'll give you an example:
Everything Dave is doing with the splash (the smallest and most high pitched cymbal) from 1:24-2:00 is to keep time and accent. From 2:00-2:14 he pulls back on the splash accenting because he is anticipating the end of the Mikes mini solo. He then transitions his accenting to the China and other symbols. All of those are basically mini fills. Dave is literally going off the cuff to put something of his in the music that you may have never noticed before. So don't give me this bullshit that Dave A has no awareness. Watch the whole Porch solo. The man could JAM, then go back into the shit like nothing happened. To throw a shot out there, he didn't need a fucking drum solo... he WAS a fucking drum solo.
I have absolutely no problem with MFC at all. But some of you have been listening to Ed for so long that you think you were also there that day that Abbruzzese supposedly said he quit. The funny thing is, the people saying MC is the best drummer for PJ just to slight Dave A are probably the same people who would tell you PJ isn't even Matt Camerons best work.
In the grand scheme of things, whats the point of arguing over this? We've literally had a vast spectrum of PJ drummers over different decades and eras. And if you ask me, each drummer we've gotten to meet has been perfect for the era they served in, and if it was any other way there would be a glitch in the matrix. If Dave A stayed behind the skins for PJ from 1991 to eternity, we would be so bored here we would have threads entitled "what if TOTD truly became Pearl Jam and Matt Cameron stayed behind the drum set?" The grass is always greener....
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