The Climate Crisis and The Green New Deal
pickupyourwill
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Thank you for posting this, pickupyourwill! This is good stuff. And ,wow!, Naomi Kline and Bill McKibben on the same panel. Excellent!One of the things Kline say here (and McKibben agrees with) that is going to be tough is to get us privileged first world folks to see that the burden of change it going to be on us. The biggest changes will have to come from us. We are, after all, the main culprits of climate change/ global warming. This is going to be a tough obstacle but the choice is clear- cut back on our carbon output or make the next generations (and other life forms, of course, pay in huge and very miserable ways."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0
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If the renewable energy industry is not willing to endorse your plan, then, just maybe the plan is a bad plan...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
It’s definitely not very well thought out...And it seems like AOC is losing popularity quickly (even within her own party), so I’m not sure she will have any backing of much in the future.Meltdown99 said:
If the renewable energy industry is not willing to endorse your plan, then, just maybe the plan is a bad plan...
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I hate to break it to her, we will still be using oil long after most of us are in the ground...PJPOWER said:
It’s definitely not very well thought out...And it seems like AOC is losing popularity quickly (even within her own party), so I’m not sure she will have any backing of much in the future.Meltdown99 said:
If the renewable energy industry is not willing to endorse your plan, then, just maybe the plan is a bad plan...Give Peas A Chance…0 -
I’m not sure why everyone seems to be celebrating the fact that we’re destroying the planet at an increasing rate. Why keep up the attacks on her and on the plan? It was only ever supposed to be a conversation starter, and guess what, it got the conversation revved up at the national and even international level.Meltdown99 said:
I hate to break it to her, we will still be using oil long after most of us are in the ground...PJPOWER said:
It’s definitely not very well thought out...And it seems like AOC is losing popularity quickly (even within her own party), so I’m not sure she will have any backing of much in the future.Meltdown99 said:
If the renewable energy industry is not willing to endorse your plan, then, just maybe the plan is a bad plan...
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Who is celebrating? Just being realistic...Give Peas A Chance…0
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oftenreading said:
I’m not sure why everyone seems to be celebrating the fact that we’re destroying the planet at an increasing rate. Why keep up the attacks on her and on the plan? It was only ever supposed to be a conversation starter, and guess what, it got the conversation revved up at the national and even international level.Meltdown99 said:
I hate to break it to her, we will still be using oil long after most of us are in the ground...PJPOWER said:
It’s definitely not very well thought out...And it seems like AOC is losing popularity quickly (even within her own party), so I’m not sure she will have any backing of much in the future.Meltdown99 said:
If the renewable energy industry is not willing to endorse your plan, then, just maybe the plan is a bad plan...
Meltdown99 said:Who is celebrating? Just being realistic...The point is not what we will "probably will do" but what we might think of doing that makes more sense. If we don't push for a drastic reduction in carbon emissions then we should be honest and say what we really mean which would go something like this:"Fuck the planet. I like living my life the way I do and I don't give a shit about how that affects future generations of people and other species. I don't want to be bothered with having to think about, let alone do anything about, the way I live. We're doomed anyway so fuck it, party on."That basically what (at least by our actions) we are saying if we don't support that which makes better sense. Do most people really want to make the planet unlivable for future generations? I don't think so. Are most of us too lazy and/or selfish to do anything about it? I think so, yes.So let's start turning things around. There are so many things each one of us can do and we all know what they are.
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brianlux said:oftenreading said:
I’m not sure why everyone seems to be celebrating the fact that we’re destroying the planet at an increasing rate. Why keep up the attacks on her and on the plan? It was only ever supposed to be a conversation starter, and guess what, it got the conversation revved up at the national and even international level.Meltdown99 said:
I hate to break it to her, we will still be using oil long after most of us are in the ground...PJPOWER said:
It’s definitely not very well thought out...And it seems like AOC is losing popularity quickly (even within her own party), so I’m not sure she will have any backing of much in the future.Meltdown99 said:
If the renewable energy industry is not willing to endorse your plan, then, just maybe the plan is a bad plan...
Meltdown99 said:Who is celebrating? Just being realistic...The point is not what we will "probably will do" but what we might think of doing that makes more sense. If we don't push for a drastic reduction in carbon emissions then we should be honest and say what we really mean which would go something like this:"Fuck the planet. I like living my life the way I do and I don't give a shit about how that affects future generations of people and other species. I don't want to be bothered with having to think about, let alone do anything about, the way I live. We're doomed anyway so fuck it, party on."That basically what (at least by our actions) we are saying if we don't support that which makes better sense. Do most people really want to make the planet unlivable for future generations? I don't think so. Are most of us too lazy and/or selfish to do anything about it? I think so, yes.So let's start turning things around. There are so many things each one of us can do and we all know what they are.Edit: Oh, and by the way, Reuters is corporate news. Do we really expect them to support a new green deal to lower carbon emissions? Hardly."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
It was a news article, not an opinion piece. But whatever. I guess its best to just post from the huff compost...brianlux said:brianlux said:oftenreading said:
I’m not sure why everyone seems to be celebrating the fact that we’re destroying the planet at an increasing rate. Why keep up the attacks on her and on the plan? It was only ever supposed to be a conversation starter, and guess what, it got the conversation revved up at the national and even international level.Meltdown99 said:
I hate to break it to her, we will still be using oil long after most of us are in the ground...PJPOWER said:
It’s definitely not very well thought out...And it seems like AOC is losing popularity quickly (even within her own party), so I’m not sure she will have any backing of much in the future.Meltdown99 said:
If the renewable energy industry is not willing to endorse your plan, then, just maybe the plan is a bad plan...
Meltdown99 said:Who is celebrating? Just being realistic...The point is not what we will "probably will do" but what we might think of doing that makes more sense. If we don't push for a drastic reduction in carbon emissions then we should be honest and say what we really mean which would go something like this:"Fuck the planet. I like living my life the way I do and I don't give a shit about how that affects future generations of people and other species. I don't want to be bothered with having to think about, let alone do anything about, the way I live. We're doomed anyway so fuck it, party on."That basically what (at least by our actions) we are saying if we don't support that which makes better sense. Do most people really want to make the planet unlivable for future generations? I don't think so. Are most of us too lazy and/or selfish to do anything about it? I think so, yes.So let's start turning things around. There are so many things each one of us can do and we all know what they are.Edit: Oh, and by the way, Reuters is corporate news. Do we really expect them to support a new green deal to lower carbon emissions? Hardly.Give Peas A Chance…0 -
Meltdown99 said:
It was a news article, not an opinion piece. But whatever. I guess its best to just post from the huff compost...brianlux said:brianlux said:oftenreading said:
I’m not sure why everyone seems to be celebrating the fact that we’re destroying the planet at an increasing rate. Why keep up the attacks on her and on the plan? It was only ever supposed to be a conversation starter, and guess what, it got the conversation revved up at the national and even international level.Meltdown99 said:
I hate to break it to her, we will still be using oil long after most of us are in the ground...PJPOWER said:
It’s definitely not very well thought out...And it seems like AOC is losing popularity quickly (even within her own party), so I’m not sure she will have any backing of much in the future.Meltdown99 said:
If the renewable energy industry is not willing to endorse your plan, then, just maybe the plan is a bad plan...
Meltdown99 said:Who is celebrating? Just being realistic...The point is not what we will "probably will do" but what we might think of doing that makes more sense. If we don't push for a drastic reduction in carbon emissions then we should be honest and say what we really mean which would go something like this:"Fuck the planet. I like living my life the way I do and I don't give a shit about how that affects future generations of people and other species. I don't want to be bothered with having to think about, let alone do anything about, the way I live. We're doomed anyway so fuck it, party on."That basically what (at least by our actions) we are saying if we don't support that which makes better sense. Do most people really want to make the planet unlivable for future generations? I don't think so. Are most of us too lazy and/or selfish to do anything about it? I think so, yes.So let's start turning things around. There are so many things each one of us can do and we all know what they are.Edit: Oh, and by the way, Reuters is corporate news. Do we really expect them to support a new green deal to lower carbon emissions? Hardly.Sorry, got a bit off topic there- we have other thread about news media.In any case, I meant no offense. But I do get very defensive of the planet."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
War? fuckit, people will kill each other I don't care. Guns? I don't care. Let them eat cake.That is what I hear when I hear people saying... oil is here to stay and I don't care.The latter will doom us all0
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Yes, we do know what to do to reverse course -- and it's all drastic. The top three things alone -- who's going to do this?
1. Stop having babies
2. Stop eating meat and processed food
3. Stop driving and flying; turn the lights (and everything else) off.
To have any impact at all, we need to drastically restructure every part of the way we live. We know we are not going to reuse and recycle our way out. Reduce everything. But starting with the amount of people on the planet, nobody will even talk about over-population as an issue because it's incomprehensible that we could control reproduction at the level it's needed.
I work with young adolescents -- our supposedly woke generation on climate change -- and have this conversation all the time. As soon as I throw out the first example of what they personally could REDUCE (their constantly upgraded and supposedly reused and recycled -- ya right -- electronics), the cries of "Nooooooo" begin. "But we need them for emergencies. But my games help me relax. But . . . but . . . but."
We're pretty much doomed. The only thing left to know is whether it's an immediate mass catastrophe or a slow, drawn-out burn that kills us all. I've become a complete nihilist in my thinking on this issue. Not a position I want to take, but I have no faith in humanity to understand the seriousness of the crisis we're in, to prevent anything. For the most part, we are a reactionary, self-serving species.
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what dreams said:Yes, we do know what to do to reverse course -- and it's all drastic. The top three things alone -- who's going to do this?
1. Stop having babies
2. Stop eating meat and processed food
3. Stop driving and flying; turn the lights (and everything else) off.
To have any impact at all, we need to drastically restructure every part of the way we live. We know we are not going to reuse and recycle our way out. Reduce everything. But starting with the amount of people on the planet, nobody will even talk about over-population as an issue because it's incomprehensible that we could control reproduction at the level it's needed.
I work with young adolescents -- our supposedly woke generation on climate change -- and have this conversation all the time. As soon as I throw out the first example of what they personally could REDUCE (their constantly upgraded and supposedly reused and recycled -- ya right -- electronics), the cries of "Nooooooo" begin. "But we need them for emergencies. But my games help me relax. But . . . but . . . but."
We're pretty much doomed. The only thing left to know is whether it's an immediate mass catastrophe or a slow, drawn-out burn that kills us all. I've become a complete nihilist in my thinking on this issue. Not a position I want to take, but I have no faith in humanity to understand the seriousness of the crisis we're in, to prevent anything. For the most part, we are a reactionary, self-serving species.I agree with all of this. I'll talk about overpopulation any day of the week but you're right, most people seem to avoid that one like the plague. And it's our biggest problem!I also do not see people getting rid of their electronic devices- I'm not going to, are you? But why would we need to if the world population were a reasonable and stable number like maybe 500 million to one billion? Paul Ehrlich is more generous- he believe the optimum human population is between 1.5 to 2 billion. We are now close to 7.8 billion and in not too many years will hit 10 billion.As far as having faith that humanity will change enough to avoid catastrophe- be it quick and disastrous or slow and painful- I also have very little.But I still think it makes sense to try anyway, for a couple of reasons. First, because of the concept of hope being not the conviction that things will turn out well but rather the conviction to do what makes sense not matter how things turn out. Also, I don't believe we humans will completely wipe ourselves out. Although in many ways we are too clever for our own good, we are clever enough such that some vestiges of humanity will last for a long time. I think we will be one of the last animal species standing, but very likely in small, isolated numbers. Between now and then, many humans will suffer. The more we do to slow climate change, reduce pollution, etc., the less suffering will result. That's my pragmatic take on things though, yes, I think we are headed for collapse and suffering."It's a sad and beautiful world"-Roberto Benigni0 -
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She so right on here. It's true, we've know about this since the 70's. It's really weird that the US (I can only speak for my country) is not hitting this problem hard the way ( as Ms Ocasio-Cortez put it) we worked fervently to deal with the Great Depression or othe issues. It's just too fracking weird.Bentleyspop said:
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brianlux said:
She so right on here. It's true, we've know about this since the 70's. It's really weird that the US (I can only speak for my country) is not hitting this problem hard the way ( as Ms Ocasio-Cortez put it) we worked fervently to deal with the Great Depression or othe issues. It's just too fracking weird.Bentleyspop said:
Well, absolutely right, Brian. But the whole world knew about it and nobody really did anything about it.
We all closed our eyes because life was as good as it was.
We could have done a lot, but it does not help to complain, so we have to get up now!
There are just too many people who still do not want to make a change in their lives and do not even want to see how big our problems really are. I mean, some still say that we have no man-made climate problem!
I only wish these people would wake up. But the money ...: |
So let's set the goals high and we could have the chance to mitigate the effects.
But to be honest, I'm not too optimistic here. Changes are laborious and humans are habitual animals...
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Good glad there’s judges that are shooting his EO down ..jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
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Be careful with that kind of talk around herebrianlux said:brianlux said:oftenreading said:
I’m not sure why everyone seems to be celebrating the fact that we’re destroying the planet at an increasing rate. Why keep up the attacks on her and on the plan? It was only ever supposed to be a conversation starter, and guess what, it got the conversation revved up at the national and even international level.Meltdown99 said:
I hate to break it to her, we will still be using oil long after most of us are in the ground...PJPOWER said:
It’s definitely not very well thought out...And it seems like AOC is losing popularity quickly (even within her own party), so I’m not sure she will have any backing of much in the future.Meltdown99 said:
If the renewable energy industry is not willing to endorse your plan, then, just maybe the plan is a bad plan...
Meltdown99 said:Who is celebrating? Just being realistic...The point is not what we will "probably will do" but what we might think of doing that makes more sense. If we don't push for a drastic reduction in carbon emissions then we should be honest and say what we really mean which would go something like this:"Fuck the planet. I like living my life the way I do and I don't give a shit about how that affects future generations of people and other species. I don't want to be bothered with having to think about, let alone do anything about, the way I live. We're doomed anyway so fuck it, party on."That basically what (at least by our actions) we are saying if we don't support that which makes better sense. Do most people really want to make the planet unlivable for future generations? I don't think so. Are most of us too lazy and/or selfish to do anything about it? I think so, yes.So let's start turning things around. There are so many things each one of us can do and we all know what they are.Edit: Oh, and by the way, Reuters is corporate news. Do we really expect them to support a new green deal to lower carbon emissions? Hardly.0 -
Apparently, we are all dead in 12 years, might as well party on...Give Peas A Chance…0
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