The Democratic Candidates

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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 1,508
    Looks like we are down to ten candidates for the next debate on the 12th. Deadline is tomorrow. This will keep it to one night instead of the two of others were to qualify. It’s  possible a candidate that didn’t qualify for this debate may still be able to qualify for the 4th debate, so that’s important to keep in mind as the field starts to dwindle.
     Cnn will be hosting a townhall on Sept. 5th on the issue of climate change and it looks like all the major candidates will be there. I am most interested in this. All the bullshit aside, I think climate change is probably the most important pressing issue of our time.
    To sum up my overall feelings right now: I think Biden needs to get his shit together, I want to like him , but sometimes I feel like I’m settling. None of the candidates really do it for me. If I had to pick my favorite it’s probably Buddha. 

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 15,680
    seems it should still be split in two, allowing longer time for each to articulate positions.
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  • jeffbrjeffbr SeattlePosts: 6,660
    mickeyrat said:
    seems it should still be split in two, allowing longer time for each to articulate positions.
    This. If we're down to 10, the 1st night should be candidates 6 - 10 in the polls, and the 2nd night should be the main event for the actual candidates who have a chance. I'm tired of the insignificant and inconsequential candidates trying to be consequential by sabotaging their own party's chances of defeating Drumpf by going after the front-runners.

    A Biden, Sanders, Warren, Harris and Buttigieg (or Booker or Beto or whomever the next lowest polling candidate is) debate would make much more sense. The inconsequential candidates have nothing to lose by throwing hail Mary passes and hoping against hope that one of them is a touchdown. Instead of making the debates a blood sport, it would be great to actually have policy discussion.
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 1,508
    jeffbr said:
    mickeyrat said:
    seems it should still be split in two, allowing longer time for each to articulate positions.
    This. If we're down to 10, the 1st night should be candidates 6 - 10 in the polls, and the 2nd night should be the main event for the actual candidates who have a chance. I'm tired of the insignificant and inconsequential candidates trying to be consequential by sabotaging their own party's chances of defeating Drumpf by going after the front-runners.

    A Biden, Sanders, Warren, Harris and Buttigieg (or Booker or Beto or whomever the next lowest polling candidate is) debate would make much more sense. The inconsequential candidates have nothing to lose by throwing hail Mary passes and hoping against hope that one of them is a touchdown. Instead of making the debates a blood sport, it would be great to actually have policy discussion.
    This is why I’m intrigued by the townhall on the 5th and like the idea centered around one topic. It will be interesting to to see if the townhall could possibly set a particular tone for the debate on the 12th. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,483
    I honestly put zero stock in these polls this far out. Wasn't Trump near the bottom of the polling barrel in the beginning?
    Pretty sure he was the frontrunner in polls from the beginning.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,972
    dignin said:
    I honestly put zero stock in these polls this far out. Wasn't Trump near the bottom of the polling barrel in the beginning?
    Pretty sure he was the frontrunner in polls from the beginning.
    No.. not until the debates started.  It was actually Jeb that shot out first I believe. 
  • CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via ChicagoPosts: 4,571
    mickeyrat said:
    seems it should still be split in two, allowing longer time for each to articulate positions.
    But then how would they speak to conservatives who need their politics delivered to them in 140 characters or less? 
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  • pearljammr78pearljammr78 Posts: 813
    CM189191 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    seems it should still be split in two, allowing longer time for each to articulate positions.
    But then how would they speak to conservatives who need their politics delivered to them in 140 characters or less? 
    Classic! Love it. 
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  • dignindignin Posts: 7,483
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    I honestly put zero stock in these polls this far out. Wasn't Trump near the bottom of the polling barrel in the beginning?
    Pretty sure he was the frontrunner in polls from the beginning.
    No.. not until the debates started.  It was actually Jeb that shot out first I believe. 
    I would call that the beginning. At this time, four years ago, he was way out in front. That's in line with the current polls were talking about.
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,972
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    I honestly put zero stock in these polls this far out. Wasn't Trump near the bottom of the polling barrel in the beginning?
    Pretty sure he was the frontrunner in polls from the beginning.
    No.. not until the debates started.  It was actually Jeb that shot out first I believe. 
    I would call that the beginning. At this time, four years ago, he was way out in front. That's in line with the current polls were talking about.
    Fair enough.  I was thinking more about announcement time. 
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon In My PlacePosts: 19,201
    edited August 28
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    dignin said:
    I honestly put zero stock in these polls this far out. Wasn't Trump near the bottom of the polling barrel in the beginning?
    Pretty sure he was the frontrunner in polls from the beginning.
    No.. not until the debates started.  It was actually Jeb that shot out first I believe. 
    I would call that the beginning. At this time, four years ago, he was way out in front. That's in line with the current polls were talking about.
    Fair enough.  I was thinking more about announcement time. 
    me too. I seem to recall it being considered a joke at the time. 
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  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,715
    Now this is a good poll: https://poll.qu.edu/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=3638&fbclid

    New Quinnipiac poll with much larger sample and much lower margin of error (and correct weighting) that I would say is much more reliable than the bad Monmouth and Emerson polls shows Biden at 32%, Warren at 19%, and Sanders at 15%.

    Crucially, this represents a 4% increase for Warren since July 29 and shows Warren winning head-to-head against Trump 52%-40%.

    Additionally, Warren is in 1st place among very liberal voters and 2nd place among both moderate and conservative voters as well as 2nd place among every single age demographic.

    My favorite stat is that she's in close 2nd place among people paying "a lot of attention" to the campaign while she's distant 3rd among people paying "little to no attention" to the campaign. As the first number grows and the second number decreases, this should work in her favor.

    This is a good poll for her and shows she's in great shape right now.

  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,972
    Good poll.  Warren still has the Sanders problem.  She's also been quietly reaching out to DNC power brokers to let them know that she is not looking for a political 'revolution'.  She wants to reform the current capitalistic system.  If she's being straightforward, then I'm more sympathetic to her positions, but she needs to get centered soon enough.  If I were her, I'd start going after Biden supporters.  That's the path to victory because I just don't see Sanders dropping out until deep, deep into the primary season, if ever.  Going after Biden supporters means moderating some of her positions on taxation.  

    Regarding Trump, it all still comes down to the economy.  That's the only thing he has going.  These are issues are just horrible numbers.

    Trump's approval for his handling of the economy is split, with 46 percent approving and 49 percent disapproving. On his handling of other issues, the president is decidedly underwater:
    • 38 - 56 percent approval for his handling of foreign policy;
    • 38 - 59 percent approval for his handling of immigration issues;
    • 38 - 54 percent approval for his handling of trade;
    • 38 - 53 percent approval for his handling of gun policy;
    • 32 - 62 percent approval for his handling of race relations.
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Deep South PhillyPosts: 11,715
    edited August 28
    Also, anyone with single digits polling needs to get out, especially if you're 1% or fucking zero - imagine what Tom Steyer could have spent his money on instead of running for President. Idiots. How many House races, state and local races could use that money. He's the worst.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,287
    The man they call my enemy. I've seen his eyes, he looks just like me - A mirror...
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,287
    The man they call my enemy. I've seen his eyes, he looks just like me - A mirror...
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,287
    The man they call my enemy. I've seen his eyes, he looks just like me - A mirror...
  • pearljammr78pearljammr78 Posts: 813
    Thank god. Thin out the pack. She had no real chance to dethrone King Trump. Unless she too has Russian ties. 🤔
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,287
    The man they call my enemy. I've seen his eyes, he looks just like me - A mirror...
  • mrussel1mrussel1 Posts: 13,972
    Thank god. Thin out the pack. She had no real chance to dethrone King Trump. Unless she too has Russian ties. 🤔
    She was the lead lyncher of Al Franken. Many liberals are still upset about that situation. 
  • dignindignin Posts: 7,483
    mrussel1 said:
    Thank god. Thin out the pack. She had no real chance to dethrone King Trump. Unless she too has Russian ties. 🤔
    She was the lead lyncher of Al Franken. Many liberals are still upset about that situation. 
    I am. 

    She also has no regrets throwing him under the bus.
  • pearljammr78pearljammr78 Posts: 813
    Al Franken would have made a great candidate. Too bad he was taking down. Yet grabby Joe Biden and grab me by the pussy Trump still are around. Crazy times. 
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,871
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Thank god. Thin out the pack. She had no real chance to dethrone King Trump. Unless she too has Russian ties. 🤔
    She was the lead lyncher of Al Franken. Many liberals are still upset about that situation. 
    I am. 

    She also has no regrets throwing him under the bus.

    She tried to fund raise off of it and then took offense when she was questioned about it. The field is much better off without her.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 15,680
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  • F Me In The BrainF Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commetsPosts: 17,167
    This action is going to fuck America.  They should use it to bash this craphead of state.  Repeatedly.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,287
    edited August 29
    JimmyV said:
    dignin said:
    mrussel1 said:
    Thank god. Thin out the pack. She had no real chance to dethrone King Trump. Unless she too has Russian ties. 🤔
    She was the lead lyncher of Al Franken. Many liberals are still upset about that situation. 
    I am. 

    She also has no regrets throwing him under the bus.

    She tried to fund raise off of it and then took offense when she was questioned about it. The field is much better off without her.
    She defended her actions on The Daily. I don't know if she is right or wrong, and I liked her in the debates - but she came off as a bit cold and a bit like she had to defend her actions no matter what.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 12,734
    So wait - people here think Al should have done what?  Apologized and then moved on? Just trying to understand.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 16,287
    So wait - people here think Al should have done what?  Apologized and then moved on? Just trying to understand.
    I guess, waited for the ethics committee-thing instead of resigning?
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWestPosts: 12,871
    So wait - people here think Al should have done what?  Apologized and then moved on? Just trying to understand.
    He seemed to want to toe the line between apologizing and not admitting he did what he was accused of. I wish he would have just said these accusations are out of context and clearly partisan in nature, and then waited for an investigation. But he couldn't really do that because his own weak ass party was showing him the door. Both Senators from NY were at the front of that train.
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