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  • mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Good lord lol
    Care to add anything to the conversation?
    Well the only thing you got out of it was to blame trump. Seriously I get you dislike him but let it go. You ve added nothing to the discussion. 
    Since 1978 China has lifted 800 million people out of poverty, creating the largest middle class in the world. I blame Nixon.

    I don’t blame Team Trump Treason for the current situation but I also have absolutely no expectations that the “leader of the free world” has a fucking clue what to do about it, never mind know about it. Why don’t you tweet him and stop wringing your hands?
    Wait a fucking minute, you are going to tout China as some human rights success story? Wtf
    Can you name any other country that has lifted 800 million people out of poverty? Who’s touting who? I’m giving you facts. You’ve given LOL and o Lordy.
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  • cincybearcat
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    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Good lord lol
    Care to add anything to the conversation?
    Well the only thing you got out of it was to blame trump. Seriously I get you dislike him but let it go. You ve added nothing to the discussion. 
    Since 1978 China has lifted 800 million people out of poverty, creating the largest middle class in the world. I blame Nixon.

    I don’t blame Team Trump Treason for the current situation but I also have absolutely no expectations that the “leader of the free world” has a fucking clue what to do about it, never mind know about it. Why don’t you tweet him and stop wringing your hands?
    Wait a fucking minute, you are going to tout China as some human rights success story? Wtf
    Can you name any other country that has lifted 800 million people out of poverty? Who’s touting who? I’m giving you facts. You’ve given LOL and o Lordy.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/08/chinas-war-on-poverty-could-hurt-the-poor-most/amp/


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  • mcgruff10
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    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Good lord lol
    Care to add anything to the conversation?
    Well the only thing you got out of it was to blame trump. Seriously I get you dislike him but let it go. You ve added nothing to the discussion. 
    Since 1978 China has lifted 800 million people out of poverty, creating the largest middle class in the world. I blame Nixon.

    I don’t blame Team Trump Treason for the current situation but I also have absolutely no expectations that the “leader of the free world” has a fucking clue what to do about it, never mind know about it. Why don’t you tweet him and stop wringing your hands?
    Wait a fucking minute, you are going to tout China as some human rights success story? Wtf
    Can you name any other country that has lifted 800 million people out of poverty? Who’s touting who? I’m giving you facts. You’ve given LOL and o Lordy.
    What the heck is wrong with you?  China is putting hundred of thousands of people in concentration camps and you are worrying about trump and whether or not China has lifted people out of poverty?  Seriously what is wrong with you?  You can’t argue that amazon is bad for nyc but in the same breathe say China lifted people out of poverty. 
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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,135
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Good lord lol
    Care to add anything to the conversation?
    Well the only thing you got out of it was to blame trump. Seriously I get you dislike him but let it go. You ve added nothing to the discussion. 
    Since 1978 China has lifted 800 million people out of poverty, creating the largest middle class in the world. I blame Nixon.

    I don’t blame Team Trump Treason for the current situation but I also have absolutely no expectations that the “leader of the free world” has a fucking clue what to do about it, never mind know about it. Why don’t you tweet him and stop wringing your hands?
    What the hell does Trump have anything to do with this? You are pathetic, please stop.  My god you are obsessed.  This has nothing to do with America and everything to do with China and locking up people who don’t have the same religious views as the people in charge. 



    And? Are you just going to wring your hands or ask, rather demand, the “leader of the free world” do something about it? Hey! Have you seen NK lately? They don’t even have to be Muslim. But yo, outrage!
     
    Stay in the trump thread please.  I look forward to you citing articles you didn’t write. 
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Good lord lol
    Care to add anything to the conversation?
    Well the only thing you got out of it was to blame trump. Seriously I get you dislike him but let it go. You ve added nothing to the discussion. 
    Since 1978 China has lifted 800 million people out of poverty, creating the largest middle class in the world. I blame Nixon.

    I don’t blame Team Trump Treason for the current situation but I also have absolutely no expectations that the “leader of the free world” has a fucking clue what to do about it, never mind know about it. Why don’t you tweet him and stop wringing your hands?
    Wait a fucking minute, you are going to tout China as some human rights success story? Wtf
    Can you name any other country that has lifted 800 million people out of poverty? Who’s touting who? I’m giving you facts. You’ve given LOL and o Lordy.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/08/chinas-war-on-poverty-could-hurt-the-poor-most/amp/


    There’s no way you read this.
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Good lord lol
    Care to add anything to the conversation?
    Well the only thing you got out of it was to blame trump. Seriously I get you dislike him but let it go. You ve added nothing to the discussion. 
    Since 1978 China has lifted 800 million people out of poverty, creating the largest middle class in the world. I blame Nixon.

    I don’t blame Team Trump Treason for the current situation but I also have absolutely no expectations that the “leader of the free world” has a fucking clue what to do about it, never mind know about it. Why don’t you tweet him and stop wringing your hands?
    What the hell does Trump have anything to do with this? You are pathetic, please stop.  My god you are obsessed.  This has nothing to do with America and everything to do with China and locking up people who don’t have the same religious views as the people in charge. 



    And? Are you just going to wring your hands or ask, rather demand, the “leader of the free world” do something about it? Hey! Have you seen NK lately? They don’t even have to be Muslim. But yo, outrage!
     
    Stay in the trump thread please.  I look forward to you citing articles you didn’t write. 
    Oh oh oh, you cite only articles you wrote? Oh oh oh!
     
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Good lord lol
    Care to add anything to the conversation?
    Well the only thing you got out of it was to blame trump. Seriously I get you dislike him but let it go. You ve added nothing to the discussion. 
    Since 1978 China has lifted 800 million people out of poverty, creating the largest middle class in the world. I blame Nixon.

    I don’t blame Team Trump Treason for the current situation but I also have absolutely no expectations that the “leader of the free world” has a fucking clue what to do about it, never mind know about it. Why don’t you tweet him and stop wringing your hands?
    Wait a fucking minute, you are going to tout China as some human rights success story? Wtf
    Can you name any other country that has lifted 800 million people out of poverty? Who’s touting who? I’m giving you facts. You’ve given LOL and o Lordy.
    What the heck is wrong with you?  China is putting hundred of thousands of people in concentration camps and you are worrying about trump and whether or not China has lifted people out of poverty?  Seriously what is wrong with you?  You can’t argue that amazon is bad for nyc but in the same breathe say China lifted people out of poverty. 
    And I’ve been asking you, respectfully, what anyone can do about it and why it took you so long to even know about it. What do you call the prison industrial complex in the US? I know, another question. Do you deny China has created a middle class?
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    The real question is, how to deal with China going forward?  The President of China is now President for life, so it's like like you can wait for the eventual regime change, and hope the new President can soften his stance.  Why are Muslim countries so quiet on this issue?  They seem to have a perpetual hatred toward the west, but we are not persecuting them over their religion, so why not the same level of anger toward China.


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  • The real question is, how to deal with China going forward?  The President of China is now President for life, so it's like like you can wait for the eventual regime change, and hope the new President can soften his stance.  Why are Muslim countries so quiet on this issue?  They seem to have a perpetual hatred toward the west, but we are not persecuting them over their religion, so why not the same level of anger toward China.


    The majority of Muslim countries are theocracies that wage war on their own, if you don’t toe the line, think Sunni/Shia, Shia/Sunni, and god forbid be Persian or Palestinian. And you expect them to police or influence China? The “leader of the free world” banned Muslims from 7 Muslim countries from entering the “greatest country in earth.” The US has no moral authority.
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  • cincybearcat
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    mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Good lord lol
    Care to add anything to the conversation?
    Well the only thing you got out of it was to blame trump. Seriously I get you dislike him but let it go. You ve added nothing to the discussion. 
    Since 1978 China has lifted 800 million people out of poverty, creating the largest middle class in the world. I blame Nixon.

    I don’t blame Team Trump Treason for the current situation but I also have absolutely no expectations that the “leader of the free world” has a fucking clue what to do about it, never mind know about it. Why don’t you tweet him and stop wringing your hands?
    Wait a fucking minute, you are going to tout China as some human rights success story? Wtf
    Can you name any other country that has lifted 800 million people out of poverty? Who’s touting who? I’m giving you facts. You’ve given LOL and o Lordy.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/08/chinas-war-on-poverty-could-hurt-the-poor-most/amp/


    There’s no way you read this.
    Seriously wtf is wrong with you?

    i read it. China has been very successfully in moving people above the $350/year level. How they have done it has some negative effects, no? Isn’t this what the article is taking about? I found it interesting to see if it will last.

    China is also very successful in gaining that $ by controlling all business, stealing intellectual property and a lot more. But that’s ok huh? Seriously, why does China get s pass
    from you?
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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    The real question is, how to deal with China going forward?  The President of China is now President for life, so it's like like you can wait for the eventual regime change, and hope the new President can soften his stance.  Why are Muslim countries so quiet on this issue?  They seem to have a perpetual hatred toward the west, but we are not persecuting them over their religion, so why not the same level of anger toward China.


    The majority of Muslim countries are theocracies that wage war on their own, if you don’t toe the line, think Sunni/Shia, Shia/Sunni, and god forbid be Persian or Palestinian. And you expect them to police or influence China? The “leader of the free world” banned Muslims from 7 Muslim countries from entering the “greatest country in earth.” The US has no moral authority.
    I get you.  Just for the record, I never said the US has moral authority.
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  • mcgruff10 said:
    my2hands said:
    Good lord lol
    Care to add anything to the conversation?
    Well the only thing you got out of it was to blame trump. Seriously I get you dislike him but let it go. You ve added nothing to the discussion. 
    Since 1978 China has lifted 800 million people out of poverty, creating the largest middle class in the world. I blame Nixon.

    I don’t blame Team Trump Treason for the current situation but I also have absolutely no expectations that the “leader of the free world” has a fucking clue what to do about it, never mind know about it. Why don’t you tweet him and stop wringing your hands?
    Wait a fucking minute, you are going to tout China as some human rights success story? Wtf
    Can you name any other country that has lifted 800 million people out of poverty? Who’s touting who? I’m giving you facts. You’ve given LOL and o Lordy.
    https://www.google.com/amp/s/foreignpolicy.com/2018/01/08/chinas-war-on-poverty-could-hurt-the-poor-most/amp/


    There’s no way you read this.
    Seriously wtf is wrong with you?

    i read it. China has been very successfully in moving people above the $350/year level. How they have done it has some negative effects, no? Isn’t this what the article is taking about? I found it interesting to see if it will last.

    China is also very successful in gaining that $ by controlling all business, stealing intellectual property and a lot more. But that’s ok huh? Seriously, why does China get s pass
    from you?
    WTF is wrong with you? 4,000 years of existence. Great Wall. Abacus. Fireworks. Oh my fucking god they’re not like the US! Stop the presses.

    Im very aware of the potential threat China poses. But I’m also realistic in knowing that the current administration has absolutely no clue what to do about, or how to cope.

    When was the last time you traveled out of the US? Did you notice anything?
     
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,854
    Last time I travels out of the US? 2018. Notice anything? Wtf do you mean? Whit with your bullshit hidden agenda questions and say what the fuck you mean
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  • Last time I travels out of the US? 2018. Notice anything? Wtf do you mean? Whit with your bullshit hidden agenda questions and say what the fuck you mean
    Awful hostile, there Cincy. You know, maybe you’d prefer a forum where you have followers and head nodders?

    Where did you go, outside the US in 2018? Because for me, since 1997, I’ve noticed a lot more Chinese tourists and businesses in all kinds of places. You?


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  • Meltdown99
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    Not everything in this world is about Trump or the US...


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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,722
    edited February 2019
    my2hands said:
    Been watching this thread since posted... 850 posts about a freshman Congresswoman, and countless posts about Trumps weight and toilet paper.... but crickets on this story

    Interesting 
    I didn't realize this was news. This is regular China. Yes, it's totally fucked up over there in many ways. It's a reprehensible government, highly corrupt, highly persecutive, highly oppressive, highly willing to do all kinds of things that we find harmful and/or immoral for the almighty dollar and to keep a stranglehold on populations and therefore an irresponsible economy. The west keeps doing business with it and keeps serving it global power on a silver platter because way too many people and nations place money above all else. That includes the majority of individuals in the west. And? What more is there to say about it? Until people demand that nations boycott Chinese products and prevent China from buying up companies and land and resources in all those nations, there is absolutely nothing any of us can say or do. China is deliberately and automatically taking over the world and playing the long game. Nobody cares to stop them, clearly, but perhaps someone will come up with some sort of plan someday. I doubt it though. What more is there to say?
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  • mickeyrat
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    Hong Kong watching Chinese nuclear plant after leak reported
    By ZEN SOO and JOE McDONALD
    Today

    HONG KONG (AP) — China's government said Tuesday no abnormal radiation was detected outside a nuclear power plant near Hong Kong following a news report of a leak, while Hong Kong's leader said her administration was closely watching the facility.

    The operators released few details, but nuclear experts said that based on their brief statement, gas might be leaking from fuel rods inside the reactor in Taishan, 135 kilometers (85 miles) west of Hong Kong.

    In Beijing, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Zhao Lijian gave no confirmation of a leak or other details. He responded to reporters' questions by saying, “there is nothing abnormal detected in the radiation level surrounding the plant.”

    In Hong Kong, radiation levels Tuesday were normal, according to the Hong Kong Observatory.

    Framatome, a French company that helps manage the Taishan Nuclear Power Plant in Guangdong province, said Monday it was dealing with a “performance issue.” It said the facility was operating within safe limits.

    That followed a report by CNN that Framatome told U.S. authorities about a possible leak.

    “With regards to foreign media reports about a nuclear plant in Taishan, Guangzhou, the Hong Kong government attaches a high degree of importance to this,” said Hong Kong Chief Executive Carrie Lam.

    She said her government would ask authorities in Guangdong for information and tell the public about any developments.

    China is one of the biggest users of nuclear power and is building more reactors at a time when few other governments have plans for new facilities because the cost of solar, wind and other alternatives is plunging.

    Chinese leaders see nuclear power as a way to reduce air pollution and demand for imports of oil and gas, which they deem a security risk. Government plans call for Hong Kong to use more mainland nuclear power to allow the closure of coal-fired power plants.

    The Taishan plant, which began commercial operation in December 2018, is owned by China Guangdong Nuclear Power Group and Electricite de France, the majority owner of Framatome. A second reactor began operating in September 2019.

    They are the first of a new type called European Pressurized Reactors. Two more are being built in Finland and France.

    CNN reported Framatome wrote to the U.S. Department of Energy warning of an “imminent radiological threat” and accusing Chinese authorities of raising acceptable limits for radiation outside the plant to avoid having to shut it down.

    U.S. officials believed there was no severe safety threat, CNN said.

    The Department of Energy declined to comment. The International Atomic Energy Agency, a U.N. body, told The Associated Press it was aware of the issue and was awaiting information from China.

    “There is nothing we can do about it," said Li Tak, a Hong Kong retiree. Justin Santini, a teacher, noted that government officials have said it isn't a problem as of yet. “Until more alarm bells are raised, it’s probably premature to be concerned about it," he said.

    Electricite de France said Monday it was informed of the increase in concentration of “certain noble gases” in Taishan reactor No. 1.

    That suggests fuel rods are leaking gases produced during nuclear fission, according to Luk Bing-lam, an expert on nuclear engineering at the City University of Hong Kong.

    Noble gases such as xenon and krypton are byproducts of fission along with particles of cesium, strontium and other radioactive elements.

    “If the leakage is more severe, then you will start seeing more radioactive material like cesium, rather than gas,” said Luk, who is chairman of the Hong Kong Nuclear Society.

    Such leaks “happen every so often” in China and plants “usually can handle it themselves,” Luk said. But he said this incident might be complicated if the Taishan plant uses U.S. technology that is covered by export restrictions.

    China’s state-owned nuclear power companies are on Washington’s “entity list” that bars them from obtaining U.S. technology without government approval.

    The French partner might ask for permission because Framatome previously licensed technology from Westinghouse, Luk said.

    “With the situation now, that becomes difficult,” he said. “For even a small problem, they need U.S. government approval.”

    China has 50 operable reactors and is building 18 more, according to the World Nuclear Association, an industry group. It is largely self-sufficient in reactor design and construction but is “making full use of Western technology while adapting and improving it,” the association says on its website.

    China has constructed reactors based on French, U.S., Russian and Canadian technology and has developed its own Hualong One reactor, based on Westinghouse technology, marketing it abroad since 2015.

    Hong Kong gets as much as one-third of its power from the Daya Bay nuclear power plant east of the territory in Guangdong.

    Luk, who has worked with Chinese nuclear power plant operators, said he asked the company for information about the leak but managers won’t talk about it.

    “I suspect the leakage is far more widespread than just a single assembly,” he said. “Because of that, they probably need some special technology to resolve this leakage problem.”

    Previously, the Taishan facility leaked a “small amount” of radioactive gas on April 9, the National Nuclear Safety Administration said on its website. It said the event was “Level 0,” or “without safety significance.”

    Zhao, the Foreign Ministry spokesperson, defended China's nuclear safety record and said the nuclear agency works with regulators in other countries and the IAEA.

    “China’s nuclear power plants have maintained a good record in operation and no incidents affecting the environment or public health have occurred,” Zhao said.

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    This story corrects the spelling of Framatome and fixes the second reference to the nuclear expert to Luk throughout. Also, the translation of the quote by Chief Executive Carrie Lam has been revised to clarify that she said the Hong Kong government “attaches a high degree of importance” to the reports about the nuclear plant, not that it is “highly concerned” about them.

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    AP Business Writer McDonald reported from Beijing. AP video journalist Alice Fung in Hong Kong contributed to this report.


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    EXPLAINER: The significance of China's new space station
    By SAM McNEIL
    Today

    JIUQUAN, China (AP) — Adding a crew to China's new orbiting space station is another major advance for the burgeoning space power.

    Here's a look at key developments:

    WHAT'S THE MISSION'S PURPOSE?

    The three-member crew is due to stay for three months in the station’s main living module, named Tianhe, or Heavenly Harmony. They will be carrying out science experiments and maintenance, space walks and preparing the facility to receive two additional modules next year.

    While China concedes it arrived late at the space station game, it says its facility is cutting-edge. It could also outlast the International Space Station, which is nearing the end of its functional lifespan.

    The launch Thursday also revives China's crewed space program after a five-year hiatus. With Thursday's launch, China has now sent 14 astronauts into space since it first achieved the feat in 2003, becoming the third country after the former Soviet Union and the U.S. to do so.

    WHY IS CHINA BUILDING THE STATION?

    As the Chinese economy was beginning to gather steam in the early 1990s, China formulated a plan for space exploration, which it has carried out at a steady, cautious cadence. While China has been barred from participation in the International Space Station, mainly over U.S. objections to the Chinese program's secretive nature and close military connections, it's likely the country would have built its own station anyway as it sought the status of a great space power.

    At a news conference Wednesday, China Manned Space Agency Assistant Director Ji Qiming told reporters at the Jiuquan launch center that the construction and operation of the space station will raise China's technologies and "accumulate experience for all the people."

    The space program is part of an overall drive to put China on track for even more ambitious missions and provide opportunities for cooperation with Russia and other, mostly European, countries along with the United Nations Office for Outer Space Affairs.

    POLITICS AND SECURITY

    China's space program has been a massive source of national pride, embodying its rise from poverty to the world's second-largest economy over the past four decades. That has helped shore up the power of the Communist Party, whose authoritarian rule and strict limits on political activity have been tolerated by most Chinese as long as the economy is growing.

    President and head of the party Xi Jinping has associated himself closely with that success, and Ji in his remarks cited Xi as setting the updated agenda for China's rise to prominence in space. The first mission to the station also coincides with the celebration of the party centenary next month, an important political milestone.

    At the same time, China is modernizing its military at a rapid pace, raising concerns from neighbors, the U.S. and its NATO allies. While China espouses the peaceful development of space on the basis of equality and mutual respect, many recall that China in January 2007 sent a ballistic missile into space to destroy an inactive weather satellite, creating a debris field that continues to be a threat.

    WHO ARE THE ASTRONAUTS?

    Mission commander Nie Haisheng, 56, and fellow astronauts Liu Boming, 54, and Tang Hongbo, 45, are former People's Liberation Army Air Force pilots with graduate degrees and strong scientific backgrounds. All Chinese astronauts so far have been recruited from the military, underscoring its close ties to the space program.

    For Nie, it is his third trip to space, and for Liu, his second following a mission in 2008 that included China's first space walk. Tang, who was recruited as one of the second batch of candidates in 2010, is flying in space for the first time.

    Future missions to the station will include women, according to officials, with stays extended to as long as six months and as many as six astronauts on the station at a time during crew changeovers. With China stepping up international cooperation and exchanges, it's only a matter of time before foreign astronauts join the Chinese colleagues on missions to the station, Ji told reporters Wednesday.

    WHAT ELSE IS CHINA DOING IN SPACE?

    Along with its crewed space program, China has been moving boldly into exploration of the solar system with robotic space ships. It landed a probe on Mars last month that carried a rover, the Zhurong, which is conducting a range of surveys, looking particularly for frozen water that could provide clues as to whether the red plant once supported life.

    Earlier, China landed a probe and rover on the moon's less explored far side, joining the Yutu, or Jade Rabbit, rover that was part of an earlier lunar exploration mission. China also brought back the first lunar samples by any country’s space program since the 1970s and officials say they want to send Chinese astronauts to the moon and eventually build a research base there.


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    China flies record 56 warplanes toward self-ruled Taiwan
    By HUIZHONG WU
    Today

    TAIPEI, Taiwan (AP) — China flew 56 fighter planes toward Taiwan on Monday in the largest show of force on record, continuing the three days of sustained military harassment against the self-ruled island.

    The first sortie of 52 planes included 34 J-16 fighter jets and 12 H-6 bombers, among other aircraft, according to Taiwan's Ministry of National Defense. Later, four more Chinese J-16s flew toward the southwestern part of Taiwan's air defense identification zone — a buffer outside a country’s airspace.

    The Taiwanese air force scrambled its fighter planes and monitored the movement of the Chinese warplanes on its air defense system, the ministry said.

    China claims democratically ruled Taiwan as its own territory, to be brought under its control by force if necessary. It refuses to recognize the island’s government and has increasingly sought to isolate the independence-leaning administration of President Tsai Ing-wen.

    Experts have called the flights and other military maneuvers by Beijing gray zone warfare, or any type of military action short of direct combat. Many say they do not believe the display of force and aggressive rhetoric, much of which is repetitive, will lead to war.

    “We are very concerned that China is going to launch a war against Taiwan at some point, even though the threat may not be imminent at this point,” Taiwanese Foreign Minister Joseph Wu said in an interview with the Australian Broadcasting Corp. broadcast on Monday.

    Taiwan and China split during a civil war in 1949, and Beijing opposes Taiwan’s involvement in international organizations. Taiwan announced on Sept. 23 that it had applied join the Comprehensive and Progressive Agreement for Trans-Pacific Partnership, a week after China submitted its own application to join the trade pact.

    Starting last Friday, on China's National Day, the People's Liberation Army sent 38 warplanes into the area and 39 aircraft on Saturday, previously the most in a single day since Taiwan began releasing reports on the flights in September 2020. China sent an additional 16 planes on Sunday.

    The latest maneuvers by the Chinese air force bring the total to 814 flights.

    In Washington on Monday, White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said: “We remain concerned by the People’s Republic of China’s provocative military activity near Taiwan, which is destabilizing, risks miscalculations and undermines regional peace and stability. We urge Beijing to cease its military, diplomatic and economic pressure and coercion against Taiwan.”

    In response to a similar statement over the weekend from the U.S. State Department, China's Ministry of Foreign Affairs had said that the U.S. selling weapons to Taiwan as well as ships navigating the Taiwan Strait were “provocative action that harmed U.S-China relations.”

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