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Mix in some crowd in the boots for the sake of god.

Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,953
edited February 2019 in The Porch
I'm not talking about having a wet blanket of crowd through out like KISS ALIVE II.

But, now even when Eddie has the audience sing parts it's really low. And sometimes pretty much absent. Makes the boots lack punch IMO. Don't see the point. Embrace the crowd.

Also, I think in Comfortable Numb in Krakow they removed handclaps -- and even Eddies handclaps. If I remember it correctly. Which feels like history revisionism to me. WHAT ELSE ARE THEY REMOVING FROM THIS HISTORIC DOCUMENT?!

5:30 in here: 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02CmgQr4Cas


So yeah, get some crowd singing back into the mix. Especially when Eddie leaves the singing to the crowd(!!).
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,313
    It doesn't look like ed has his hands micd up, which might explain why you can't hear them
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,953
    edited January 2019
    NewJPage said:
    It doesn't look like ed has his hands micd up, which might explain why you can't hear them
    Foley artists work cheap. GET TO WORK.


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • NewJPageNewJPage Posts: 3,313
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    NewJPage said:
    It doesn't look like ed has his hands micd up, which might explain why you can't hear them
    Foley artists work cheap. GET TO WORK.


    "Now Ed, if you feel the urge to clap, make sure you do it over HERE...we want to be able to hear it in the bootlegs"
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  • TristeluneTristelune Posts: 318
    True, for example during London I in 2018 the crowd was very intense supporting Ed and that was beautiful, unfortunately the boot (which is great otherwise) doesn’t really reflect that. 
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,158
    edited January 2019
    I totally agree with this. It's so weird when Eddie says something like, "That's some good singing!" and you actually barely heard any crowd singing whatsoever. But you were there, and know that the crowd was awesome and loud.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,809
    I find this all interesting because it is such a modern day thing for crowds to sing along with a band.  I never saw that happen in all the many shows I saw in the 60's through mid 80's.  And then all of the the sudden everyone's a singer.  I'm not going to say it's necessarily a bad thing if that's what people like, but I would not be nearly such a fan of some of my favorite live records if there were crowd singing on them... records like:

    The Who: Live at Leeds
    Jimi Hendrix, Concerts
    Dinosaur Jr, Bug: Live at the 9:30 Club
    Ramones:  It's Alive
    Neil Young, any live records.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,953
    PJ_Soul said:
    I totally agree with this. It's so weird when Eddie says something like, "That's some good singing!" and you actually barely heard any crown singing whatsoever. But you were there, and know that the crowd was awesome and loud.
    Yeah agree, it makes it sound like Eddies back-and-forth with the crowd falls flat. And it makes it lack power.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,953
    edited January 2019
    brianlux said:
    I find this all interesting because it is such a modern day thing for crowds to sing along with a band.  I never saw that happen in all the many shows I saw in the 60's through mid 80's.  And then all of the the sudden everyone's a singer.  I'm not going to say it's necessarily a bad thing if that's what people like, but I would not be nearly such a fan of some of my favorite live records if there were crowd singing on them... records like:

    The Who: Live at Leeds
    Jimi Hendrix, Concerts
    Dinosaur Jr, Bug: Live at the 9:30 Club
    Ramones:  It's Alive
    Neil Young, any live records.
    I think you still would be a fan and would today say "I wouldn't be nearly such a fan if they were void of the atmosphere and the sound of them being live!". And do those albums even have back-and-forth etc between the band and the crowd?

    Singing along I think also depends a bit on the artist and how the hardcorde fans are cultivated. Didn't see people sing along to Neil Young the last time (except for the odd woman singing just for her self) and at Guns N Roses I only remember some people singing along to Sweet Child O' Mine.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,158
    brianlux said:
    I find this all interesting because it is such a modern day thing for crowds to sing along with a band.  I never saw that happen in all the many shows I saw in the 60's through mid 80's.  And then all of the the sudden everyone's a singer.  I'm not going to say it's necessarily a bad thing if that's what people like, but I would not be nearly such a fan of some of my favorite live records if there were crowd singing on them... records like:

    The Who: Live at Leeds
    Jimi Hendrix, Concerts
    Dinosaur Jr, Bug: Live at the 9:30 Club
    Ramones:  It's Alive
    Neil Young, any live records.
    I thought Queen basically invented this concept of crowd participation in the 70s....
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,953
    PJ_Soul said:
    brianlux said:
    I find this all interesting because it is such a modern day thing for crowds to sing along with a band.  I never saw that happen in all the many shows I saw in the 60's through mid 80's.  And then all of the the sudden everyone's a singer.  I'm not going to say it's necessarily a bad thing if that's what people like, but I would not be nearly such a fan of some of my favorite live records if there were crowd singing on them... records like:

    The Who: Live at Leeds
    Jimi Hendrix, Concerts
    Dinosaur Jr, Bug: Live at the 9:30 Club
    Ramones:  It's Alive
    Neil Young, any live records.
    I thought Queen basically invented this concept of crowd participation in the 70s....
    I WANOAHAHAHAOAHAHAHAOHAHAHA YOU

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0j6qsGdMvA
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  • bbiggsbbiggs Posts: 6,958
    PJ_Soul said:
    I totally agree with this. It's so weird when Eddie says something like, "That's some good singing!" and you actually barely heard any crowd singing whatsoever. But you were there, and know that the crowd was awesome and loud.
    This. 100%. 
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,757
    PJ_Soul said:
    I totally agree with this. It's so weird when Eddie says something like, "That's some good singing!" and you actually barely heard any crowd singing whatsoever. But you were there, and know that the crowd was awesome and loud.
    What years are we talking?  2018 shows?
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,953
    edited January 2019
    mcgruff10 said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    I totally agree with this. It's so weird when Eddie says something like, "That's some good singing!" and you actually barely heard any crowd singing whatsoever. But you were there, and know that the crowd was awesome and loud.
    What years are we talking?  2018 shows?
    Here's a great example. First verse (and chorus):

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia0pmXJAwXQ
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,809
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    I find this all interesting because it is such a modern day thing for crowds to sing along with a band.  I never saw that happen in all the many shows I saw in the 60's through mid 80's.  And then all of the the sudden everyone's a singer.  I'm not going to say it's necessarily a bad thing if that's what people like, but I would not be nearly such a fan of some of my favorite live records if there were crowd singing on them... records like:

    The Who: Live at Leeds
    Jimi Hendrix, Concerts
    Dinosaur Jr, Bug: Live at the 9:30 Club
    Ramones:  It's Alive
    Neil Young, any live records.
    I think you still would be a fan and would today say "I wouldn't be nearly such a fan if they were void of the atmosphere and the sound of them being live!". And do those albums even have back-and-forth etc between the band and the crowd?

    Singing along I think also depends a bit on the artist and how the hardcorde fans are cultivated. Didn't see people sing along to Neil Young the last time (except for the odd woman singing just for her self) and at Guns N Roses I only remember some people singing along to Sweet Child O' Mine.
    No, those albums don't have performer/ audience back and forth.  When I saw Hendrix, he addressed the crowd a few times and we just kind of stood there in awe with our moths hanging open.  At least I did!

    People might sing along with Neil these day, I don't know.  I saw him with Buffalo Springfield in '67(no crowd singing), with CSNY in '69 (no crowd singing) and Crazy Horse in '97 (I didn't hear any crowd singing but I couldn't get tickets so listened to the show from high up in a tree just outside Shoreline, an open-air venue.  Great sound from there by the way!)
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,953
    edited February 2019
    brianlux said:
    People might sing along with Neil these day, I don't know.  I saw him with Buffalo Springfield in '67(no crowd singing), with CSNY in '69 (no crowd singing) and Crazy Horse in '97 (I didn't hear any crowd singing but I couldn't get tickets so listened to the show from high up in a tree just outside Shoreline, an open-air venue.  Great sound from there by the way!)
    Well, Mr humblebrag - WHERE WERE YOU IN THE HOLY NEIL YOUNG YEAR OF 2001 WHEN I SAW HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6BnZyflNVE
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • mrk2mrk2 Finland Posts: 2,076
    Maybe learn how to mic and record the audience properly first. There are many bootlegs where the audience sounds like two separate wind tunnels on left and right channels. Horrible. Keep it mixed down.
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  • Dr.Teeth and the Electric MayhDr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh Posts: 1,180
    Make them sound like Reach Down on the Cornell Anthology
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  • angry_skullangry_skull Posts: 323
    I want a whole album of crowd singing...Eddie can do intros and stuff though. It has to be amazing to stand on a stage and hear a stadium full of people singing your music.
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,579
    Even when I'm there live, I don't care to hear the crowd singing.
    But I agree it is even worse when it happens and you can't hear it on the boot. It almost sounds like one of those has-been bands that don't realize no one knows their songs anymore, but I know that isn't the case.
  • Out of My Mind and TimeOut of My Mind and Time Posts: 1,333
    I laugh at myself when I hear a song on XM and think - Wow! What version is this? When and where did they play this?!?..then look and see it is the studio version 🤣. Agree with the boots. Nothing beats being able to relive those concerts and feel like you were there again and the crowd takes over singing. It is a balance on the boots of a good audio boot with some crowd. 
  • willbarclaywillbarclay Ottawa, Canada Posts: 3,298
    brianlux said:
    I find this all interesting because it is such a modern day thing for crowds to sing along with a band.  I never saw that happen in all the many shows I saw in the 60's through mid 80's.  And then all of the the sudden everyone's a singer.  I'm not going to say it's necessarily a bad thing if that's what people like, but I would not be nearly such a fan of some of my favorite live records if there were crowd singing on them... records like:


    Im with you on this. When I put on a live album I don't really want to hear the crowd singing the main chorus of a

    song(s) I Love . I say skip the whole practice altogether and just sing the songs yourself.

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  • PJNBPJNB Posts: 13,595
    Fucking love that version of Release. 
  • MUZIKMUZIK Posts: 630
    edited February 2019
    Main reason why I don’t buy the boots.

    whole point for me of a bootleg is to feel like I’m at the concert I’m listening to.

    Passed few tours the crowd noise sounds muffled and terrible.

    if I want to hear the band then I’ll listen to the studio album where the band is that much more on point.

    why would I listen to a 2018 version of animal when I rather hear a studio version if I just wanted to hear the band straight up.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,809
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    brianlux said:
    People might sing along with Neil these day, I don't know.  I saw him with Buffalo Springfield in '67(no crowd singing), with CSNY in '69 (no crowd singing) and Crazy Horse in '97 (I didn't hear any crowd singing but I couldn't get tickets so listened to the show from high up in a tree just outside Shoreline, an open-air venue.  Great sound from there by the way!)
    Well, Mr humblebrag - WHERE WERE YOU IN THE HOLY NEIL YOUNG YEAR OF 2001 WHEN I SAW HIM FOR THE FIRST TIME?!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6BnZyflNVE
    "Mr Humblebrag"  lol.    At least you didn't say "Mr. Humbug"  :lol:

    I missed out on some great Neal years, for sure!

    willbarclay said:
    brianlux said:
    I find this all interesting because it is such a modern day thing for crowds to sing along with a band.  I never saw that happen in all the many shows I saw in the 60's through mid 80's.  And then all of the the sudden everyone's a singer.  I'm not going to say it's necessarily a bad thing if that's what people like, but I would not be nearly such a fan of some of my favorite live records if there were crowd singing on them... records like:


    Im with you on this. When I put on a live album I don't really want to hear the crowd singing the main chorus of a

    song(s) I Love . I say skip the whole practice altogether and just sing the songs yourself.

    :plus_one:
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  • dustinparduedustinpardue Las Vegas, NV Posts: 1,829
    2010 was the last I remember really hearing the crowd well on the bootlegs.
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  • MedozKMedozK Tennessee Posts: 9,212
    Not really a fan of hearing to much audience when listening to boots. If you really want to hear the audience, I'm sure there are plenty of fan recordings, where you can hear them sing and talk during shows... what would be even better if you could get a video of people checking their IG accounts while the show is going on.
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,953
    MedozK said:
    Not really a fan of hearing to much audience when listening to boots. If you really want to hear the audience, I'm sure there are plenty of fan recordings, where you can hear them sing and talk during shows... what would be even better if you could get a video of people checking their IG accounts while the show is going on.
    Re-read the OP
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • dtr0624dtr0624 south jersey Posts: 611
    edited February 2019
    my example of the "quiet crowd" is the cville boot from 13. that boot doesnt do that show ANY justice.. incredible setlist with an insane crowd. but you dont get that from the boot. 
    also to the comments about the sing alongs, imagine your eddie, or grohl, or whoever. to hear 30k people sing YOUR songs back to you has got to be one of the most incredible feelings. its why they do it for betterman, the ourtro to sirens in cville, evenflow. foo fighters with best of you. its a hell of a moment. i can hear the studio version any time. i listen to the boots to relive the moment. how you can NOT belt out every line at a show is beyond me. its a concert, not a movie. and you can see by their reactions that they love the singing too. 
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  • Caught-A-Bolt-Of-LightningCaught-A-Bolt-Of-Lightning Posts: 1,335
    If there was a way to weed out the people yelling song suggestions, girls just screaming (I swear it's only one girl, the same one, at every show...) and other such annoyances and leave the rest mine would be the first hand up to vote for that. But if it's an 'all or none' type thing with crowd noise I'll take none. I don't go to the show to hear people yell stuff at the band...I go to hear the band. Guess I am just old-fashioned that way...
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