"I know they all look alike"

Gern Blansten

How does a fire department work in a society with no government services?  

When your house is on fire do you log on to Yelp and search reviews before you hire someone?  Or do you just let it burn to the ground and grab your Ayn Rand books on the way out of the inferno?

rgambs

*Spoiler alert

IF he deigns to reply at length to these queries (it would be the first time) about how society would function, then the answer will be...governments lol
Except the governments will be small and be called councils or committees or some other word, and there will be absolutely nothing to distinguish the system from all the civilizations that have come and gone and consolidated local governments into larger ones for the incredibly obvious and logical reasons for doing so.

oftenreading

rgambs said:

*Spoiler alert

IF he deigns to reply at length to these queries (it would be the first time) about how society would function, then the answer will be...governments lol
Except the governments will be small and be called councils or committees or some other word, and there will be absolutely nothing to distinguish the system from all the civilizations that have come and gone and consolidated local governments into larger ones for the incredibly obvious and logical reasons for doing so.

I hope there is a reply, though I haven’t got one in the past when I’ve asked the same questions. I’m curious as to what the libertarian viewpoint is. I could look it up myself but I’d rather hear unsung’s version first. 

brianlux

rgambs said:

*Spoiler alert

IF he deigns to reply at length to these queries (it would be the first time) about how society would function, then the answer will be...governments lol
Except the governments will be small and be called councils or committees or some other word, and there will be absolutely nothing to distinguish the system from all the civilizations that have come and gone and consolidated local governments into larger ones for the incredibly obvious and logical reasons for doing so.

That sounds right to me, at least historically.  But what about tribal communities that historically have fared quite well for long periods of time?  Hasn't tribalism in native cultures lasted longer than big governments in "civilized" cultures?  I think so.  I would be in favor of tribal communities with small tribal forms of government only in developed nations that won't happen.  But theoretically, small community based groups of humans would be my ideal.  And if greed were not a common characteristic of modern homo sapiens, large government would not be necessary.  In any case, I think modern civilization is poised to collapse in this century. 

As a side note, some here are getting away with murder making so many post personal attacks on another forum member.  

my2hands

I say fuck all the time here... and would report you fuckers to the mods in a heartbeat

HughFreakingDillon

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

njnancy said:

dignin said:

"Mixed breeding". Is that some kind of white supremacist lingo?

Yes, as is 'forced association'. 

Unsung pops in and posts or says something that is outright racist or controversial. He then leaves, ignores questions or demands answers for questions that any person of any political persuasion would find offensive and not worthy of answering. 

He used to post as a libertarian but it seems he has drank the Kool-Aid. If only for his inability to have an intelligent & respectful debate with anyone anymore. 

It is tiresome and SAD! to watch someone devolve.

I'd say that my attendance here is really none of your business and my reasons why or why not as well.  

If you knew anything of Libertarian core principles you'd know that the following apply.

Do no harm but to prevent harm.
All associations should be voluntary.
Taxation is theft.  In other words you don't have any right to my labor, and vice versa.

Now while I no longer claim to be a Libertarian, I do still believe in those three points.  

Government is force.  I don't believe in forcing my beliefs, even on someone such as yourself, and therefore I will not have you force yours on me.

The common tactic that the left uses is to discredit the source, quickly followed by name calling and attacking the person with the opinion, instead of arguing the point.  Straight out of the Alinsky Communist playbook.

I'm not here to provide your research, not going to use your hijacked vocabulary either,  and really don't care of what you think of my attendance.  My attendance is voluntary.  I have been attacked here repeatedly and never give it a second thought, even by the guy that still lives in Mommy's basement 

You want an unsung AMA so that the stalking and screeching to my opinions can be isolated to one thread?  Easy enough to go back and see me devolve, huh?

Maybe you just want your echo chamber.  Get your safe space, huh?

Nobody here can force their beliefs on your here, so accusing anyone of doing so on this board doesn't work.

Maybe not directly but it is done when you vote.  It is one of the reasons why I don't.  We can agree to disagree.

so voting is a way of indirectly forcing your beliefs on others? did I read that right?

Gern Blansten

rgambs said:

*Spoiler alert

IF he deigns to reply at length to these queries (it would be the first time) about how society would function, then the answer will be...governments lol
Except the governments will be small and be called councils or committees or some other word, and there will be absolutely nothing to distinguish the system from all the civilizations that have come and gone and consolidated local governments into larger ones for the incredibly obvious and logical reasons for doing so.

I picture Amish communities.  Is that what they want?  Ring a bell when your house is on fire or a burglar starts rifling through your trinkets? 

brianlux

my2hands said:

I say fuck all the time here... and would report you fuckers to the mods in a heartbeat

Haha!  I do too.  But here's the thing (and, man, is this ever off topic), when we went to see Henry Rollins at The Crest in Sacramento a few weeks ago, Henry never once said any of the George Carlin 7 words.  No "fuck", no "shit", no "motherfucker", nothing.  Once, he quoted someone as saying "son-of-a-bitch".  That was the only cuss word in 2 1/2 hours of talking.   I thought that was impressive as Henry's reason for that is that he believes avoiding swearing makes him a better speaker who uses better, more accurate language. 

HughFreakingDillon

brianlux said:

my2hands said:

I say fuck all the time here... and would report you fuckers to the mods in a heartbeat

Haha!  I do too.  But here's the thing (and, man, is this ever off topic), when we went to see Henry Rollins at The Crest in Sacramento a few weeks ago, Henry never once said any of the George Carlin 7 words.  No "fuck", no "shit", no "motherfucker", nothing.  Once, he quoted someone as saying "son-of-a-bitch".  That was the only cuss word in 2 1/2 hours of talking.   I thought that was impressive as Henry's reason for that is that he believes avoiding swearing makes him a better speaker who uses better, more accurate language. 

it does. it forces you to articulate yourself instead of just falling back on swear words. kind of like the adult version of "ummmm"

rgambs

brianlux said:

rgambs said:

*Spoiler alert

IF he deigns to reply at length to these queries (it would be the first time) about how society would function, then the answer will be...governments lol
Except the governments will be small and be called councils or committees or some other word, and there will be absolutely nothing to distinguish the system from all the civilizations that have come and gone and consolidated local governments into larger ones for the incredibly obvious and logical reasons for doing so.

That sounds right to me, at least historically.  But what about tribal communities that historically have fared quite well for long periods of time?  Hasn't tribalism in native cultures lasted longer than big governments in "civilized" cultures?  I think so.  I would be in favor of tribal communities with small tribal forms of government only in developed nations that won't happen.  But theoretically, small community based groups of humans would be my ideal.  And if greed were not a common characteristic of modern homo sapiens, large government would not be necessary.  In any case, I think modern civilization is poised to collapse in this century. 

As a side note, some here are getting away with murder making so many post personal attacks on another forum member.  

Most people, myself included, would agree.
The problem is that will only work in relative isolation.  Otherwise, small tribes are victims to larger tribes in the disgusting human arms race.

Bentleyspop

my2hands said:

I say fuck all the time here... and would report you fuckers to the mods in a heartbeat

Can't believe that  none of you fuckers has posted this...

https://youtu.be/XdfwFDZGnUk

brianlux

Bentleyspop said:

my2hands said:

I say fuck all the time here... and would report you fuckers to the mods in a heartbeat

Can't believe that  none of you fuckers has posted this...

https://youtu.be/XdfwFDZGnUk

fuckin' a

unsung

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

njnancy said:

dignin said:

"Mixed breeding". Is that some kind of white supremacist lingo?

Yes, as is 'forced association'. 

Unsung pops in and posts or says something that is outright racist or controversial. He then leaves, ignores questions or demands answers for questions that any person of any political persuasion would find offensive and not worthy of answering. 

He used to post as a libertarian but it seems he has drank the Kool-Aid. If only for his inability to have an intelligent & respectful debate with anyone anymore. 

It is tiresome and SAD! to watch someone devolve.

I'd say that my attendance here is really none of your business and my reasons why or why not as well.  

If you knew anything of Libertarian core principles you'd know that the following apply.

Do no harm but to prevent harm.
All associations should be voluntary.
Taxation is theft.  In other words you don't have any right to my labor, and vice versa.

Now while I no longer claim to be a Libertarian, I do still believe in those three points.  

Government is force.  I don't believe in forcing my beliefs, even on someone such as yourself, and therefore I will not have you force yours on me.

The common tactic that the left uses is to discredit the source, quickly followed by name calling and attacking the person with the opinion, instead of arguing the point.  Straight out of the Alinsky Communist playbook.

I'm not here to provide your research, not going to use your hijacked vocabulary either,  and really don't care of what you think of my attendance.  My attendance is voluntary.  I have been attacked here repeatedly and never give it a second thought, even by the guy that still lives in Mommy's basement 

You want an unsung AMA so that the stalking and screeching to my opinions can be isolated to one thread?  Easy enough to go back and see me devolve, huh?

Maybe you just want your echo chamber.  Get your safe space, huh?

I think this is where I point out all the benefits you derive from services provided through taxation, and then you fail to recognize them or respond to the discussion. 

Unsung, I don't think I've ever seen you really talk about what it would be like if the government didn't tax anyone. I'm seriously curious to know what you think such a world would look like. How would things like roads be built? What about law enforcement and other emergency services, the military, prisons, and all the other infrastructure and services now covered by tax revenue (aside from education and healthcare - I assume you think that should be completely left up to the free market ... scary, scary stuff)? Are you thinking every single service would be support by free market investment?? What if the economy collapses? Or what if the investments are just bad? Then what? And how would such complex bureaucracies maintain themselves in any kind of honest way while they're intertwined with the free market?

And what about those things that are more easily waved off to the free market, like schools and hospitals... what options do you picture for the people who couldn't pay for such services with their income? What happens to them? Do they just never learn to read and then die in the streets? Are do the free market services act as charities too? What if those running the "businesses" choose not to provide such charity?

Bumping for placement, trying to do this today.

my2hands

brianlux said:

my2hands said:

I say fuck all the time here... and would report you fuckers to the mods in a heartbeat

Haha!  I do too.  But here's the thing (and, man, is this ever off topic), when we went to see Henry Rollins at The Crest in Sacramento a few weeks ago, Henry never once said any of the George Carlin 7 words.  No "fuck", no "shit", no "motherfucker", nothing.  Once, he quoted someone as saying "son-of-a-bitch".  That was the only cuss word in 2 1/2 hours of talking.   I thought that was impressive as Henry's reason for that is that he believes avoiding swearing makes him a better speaker who uses better, more accurate language. 

Fuck that shit

my2hands

Bentleyspop said:

my2hands said:

I say fuck all the time here... and would report you fuckers to the mods in a heartbeat

Can't believe that  none of you fuckers has posted this...

https://youtu.be/XdfwFDZGnUk

Love it... what s great show

The Juggler

unsung said:

PJ_Soul said:

oftenreading said:

unsung said:

njnancy said:

dignin said:

"Mixed breeding". Is that some kind of white supremacist lingo?

Yes, as is 'forced association'. 

Unsung pops in and posts or says something that is outright racist or controversial. He then leaves, ignores questions or demands answers for questions that any person of any political persuasion would find offensive and not worthy of answering. 

He used to post as a libertarian but it seems he has drank the Kool-Aid. If only for his inability to have an intelligent & respectful debate with anyone anymore. 

It is tiresome and SAD! to watch someone devolve.

I'd say that my attendance here is really none of your business and my reasons why or why not as well.  

If you knew anything of Libertarian core principles you'd know that the following apply.

Do no harm but to prevent harm.
All associations should be voluntary.
Taxation is theft.  In other words you don't have any right to my labor, and vice versa.

Now while I no longer claim to be a Libertarian, I do still believe in those three points.  

Government is force.  I don't believe in forcing my beliefs, even on someone such as yourself, and therefore I will not have you force yours on me.

The common tactic that the left uses is to discredit the source, quickly followed by name calling and attacking the person with the opinion, instead of arguing the point.  Straight out of the Alinsky Communist playbook.

I'm not here to provide your research, not going to use your hijacked vocabulary either,  and really don't care of what you think of my attendance.  My attendance is voluntary.  I have been attacked here repeatedly and never give it a second thought, even by the guy that still lives in Mommy's basement 

You want an unsung AMA so that the stalking and screeching to my opinions can be isolated to one thread?  Easy enough to go back and see me devolve, huh?

Maybe you just want your echo chamber.  Get your safe space, huh?

I think this is where I point out all the benefits you derive from services provided through taxation, and then you fail to recognize them or respond to the discussion. 

Unsung, I don't think I've ever seen you really talk about what it would be like if the government didn't tax anyone. I'm seriously curious to know what you think such a world would look like. How would things like roads be built? What about law enforcement and other emergency services, the military, prisons, and all the other infrastructure and services now covered by tax revenue (aside from education and healthcare - I assume you think that should be completely left up to the free market ... scary, scary stuff)? Are you thinking every single service would be support by free market investment?? What if the economy collapses? Or what if the investments are just bad? Then what? And how would such complex bureaucracies maintain themselves in any kind of honest way while they're intertwined with the free market?

And what about those things that are more easily waved off to the free market, like schools and hospitals... what options do you picture for the people who couldn't pay for such services with their income? What happens to them? Do they just never learn to read and then die in the streets? Are do the free market services act as charities too? What if those running the "businesses" choose not to provide such charity?

Bumping for placement, trying to do this today.

bump?

rgambs

njnancy

HesCalledDyer

“Bumping for placement”

mickeyrat

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