1000th Show Update - Accurate count discussion

DukesW2012

Happy Halloween Friends:
As I take in one of the longest PJ concerts ever (Spectrum 09) via the website this morning, I got to thinking about the question of how many shows they've actually done. Less than two years ago, JA was interviewed on a podcast with the question of "So you are approaching 1000 shows, any big plans?" and he replied (sic) "Kelly will definitely have something big planned." At the time of that interview, they still had total shows posted on the tours page and the number was hovering around 960. The good ole PJ Stat Tracker currently has it at 1,028. I am wondering if 10C quietly scrubbed the total number from the site as it was not an accurate count. If we are still below a grand, then I'd guess we'd be in the mid 980's. 

Be Well and Vote no matter where you are in the world,

danny

god knows how many shows but what fan  has seen pearl jam the most

Indifference

 Here is 10 pages on the topic from a few years back.. Happy reading.  Good luck getting to an answer

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/250585/pearl-jams-1000th-performance

PB11041

Live Footsteps has it as 1,032

But many of those are not really shows

RNR Induction = not a show
9.23.15 Colbert = not a show
Fallon 4x = not a show
SNL 4x = not a show
Letterman 5x = not a show
The Who Honors = not a show 
AOL Session = not a show

There are more, one could even argue the bridge school shows are just mini benefit appearances not pearl jam shows.

rummy

PB11041 said:

Live Footsteps has it as 1,032

But many of those are not really shows

RNR Induction = not a show
9.23.15 Colbert = not a show
Fallon 4x = not a show
SNL 4x = not a show
Letterman 5x = not a show
The Who Honors = not a show 
AOL Session = not a show

There are more, one could even argue the bridge school shows are just mini benefit appearances not pearl jam shows.

I see your point about the Bridge School shows but then would festival appearances count?

ed243421

# of performances?

Or # of shows/concerts?

what defines a show/concert?



then you just have to agree on how many for each year 1990-2018

Lerxst1992

Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.

KN219077

Lerxst1992 said:

Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.

Comparing them to another bad that started at the same time, DMB has played well over twice that amount. 

Lerxst1992

KN219077 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.

Comparing them to another bad that started at the same time, DMB has played well over twice that amount. 

Good point

Their career is also about where the Dead were when Jerry passed. They were at about 2500 shows IIRC.

Jammalambo

PB11041 said:

Live Footsteps has it as 1,032

But many of those are not really shows

RNR Induction = not a show
9.23.15 Colbert = not a show
Fallon 4x = not a show
SNL 4x = not a show
Letterman 5x = not a show
The Who Honors = not a show 
AOL Session = not a show

There are more, one could even argue the bridge school shows are just mini benefit appearances not pearl jam shows.

I agree that these TV appearances can hardly be considered a PJ concert. As for BSB though, I'm not so sure.. to me the Bridge School benefits are to be considered shows/concerts. they are acoustic and benefits, and so? Benaroya Hall was a benefit and acoustic, are we not considering it a concert because of that? Also, the festivals, they are shows as well (can't really see why not).

To me, the lenght/number of songs played should be somewhat indicative (just my opinion, obviously). For example, I consider what they did at Letterman 2006 a concert (mini concert, let's say).

PB11041

Jammalambo said:

PB11041 said:

Live Footsteps has it as 1,032

But many of those are not really shows

RNR Induction = not a show
9.23.15 Colbert = not a show
Fallon 4x = not a show
SNL 4x = not a show
Letterman 5x = not a show
The Who Honors = not a show 
AOL Session = not a show

There are more, one could even argue the bridge school shows are just mini benefit appearances not pearl jam shows.

I agree that these TV appearances can hardly be considered a PJ concert. As for BSB though, I'm not so sure.. to me the Bridge School benefits are to be considered shows/concerts. they are acoustic and benefits, and so? Benaroya Hall was a benefit and acoustic, are we not considering it a concert because of that? Also, the festivals, they are shows as well (can't really see why not).

To me, the lenght/number of songs played should be somewhat indicative (just my opinion, obviously). For example, I consider what they did at Letterman 2006 a concert (mini concert, let's say).

Benaroya Hall was their show.  Not an appearance.  The Bridge Shows they are generally one of 8-10 performers.  Playing 6-9 songs.  It's an appearance.

PB11041

Lerxst1992 said:

KN219077 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.

Comparing them to another bad that started at the same time, DMB has played well over twice that amount. 

Good point

Their career is also about where the Dead were when Jerry passed. They were at about 2500 shows IIRC.

Both bands live off the road though, particularly the Dead.  Pearl Jam actually made money off their records sales. 

PB11041

rummy said:

PB11041 said:

Live Footsteps has it as 1,032

But many of those are not really shows

RNR Induction = not a show
9.23.15 Colbert = not a show
Fallon 4x = not a show
SNL 4x = not a show
Letterman 5x = not a show
The Who Honors = not a show 
AOL Session = not a show

There are more, one could even argue the bridge school shows are just mini benefit appearances not pearl jam shows.

I see your point about the Bridge School shows but then would festival appearances count?

Where they were the headliner?  Yes.  

mrk2

If BSB is not counted, then what about Lollapalooza in 1992, they played less than 10 songs each night and were not headlining. How about opening for Neil Young or U2 in 1993, same thing  

mace1229

ed243421 said:

# of performances?

Or # of shows/concerts?

what defines a show/concert?



then you just have to agree on how many for each year 1990-2018

If you ask me, and no one did,a show/concert would be a full set.
A full set changes through time. Now 15 songs wouldn’t be a full set, but in 1992 it could pass for one.

ed243421

Performance or concert?

tv shows
record Store sets
mtv awards set
unplugged
singles party
monkeywrench/self pollution radio sets
storytellers
vh1 who honors show
rrhof sets
aol sessions
target center
oracle private show
letterman show


I think the unplugged, storytellers, Oracle, and letterman could be considered concerts

on2legs

ed243421 said:

Performance or concert?

tv shows
record Store sets
mtv awards set
unplugged
singles party
monkeywrench/self pollution radio sets
storytellers
vh1 who honors show
rrhof sets
aol sessions
target center
oracle private show
letterman show


I think the unplugged, storytellers, Oracle, and letterman could be considered concerts

According to Webster’s all of the above qualify as a concert.  

RS65573

It should included anything people paid to watch. AOL is not a concert unless someone paid to attend IMO.

on2legs

RS65573 said:

It should included anything people paid to watch. AOL is not a concert unless someone paid to attend IMO.

Drop in the park?

RS65573

on2legs said:

RS65573 said:

It should included anything people paid to watch. AOL is not a concert unless someone paid to attend IMO.

Drop in the park?

Id include it yes. Anything people attended is better way to say it, even if free.
If im not mistaken, on AOL Sessions is Ed singing with headphones? That shouldnt count.

Lerxst1992

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

KN219077 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.

Comparing them to another bad that started at the same time, DMB has played well over twice that amount. 

Good point

Their career is also about where the Dead were when Jerry passed. They were at about 2500 shows IIRC.

Both bands live off the road though, particularly the Dead.  Pearl Jam actually made money off their records sales. 

"Made" is definitely a good choice of words there, as PJs only release in 9 years, LB did a touch over half a million units sold iirc.

They can gross almost as much in one day playing MSG if they charged an average ticket price of $225. Plus merch.

DukesW2012

Wow. I created a monster. I totally forgot about writing this thread and just popped back in. Well done. I love all our passion. I don't think you can consider the Late night or SNL circuit shows, but we need someone from the mothership to clear the air. Have great weekends spinning some fun stuff.

Go Cougs.

PB11041

Lerxst1992 said:

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

KN219077 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.

Comparing them to another bad that started at the same time, DMB has played well over twice that amount. 

Good point

Their career is also about where the Dead were when Jerry passed. They were at about 2500 shows IIRC.

Both bands live off the road though, particularly the Dead.  Pearl Jam actually made money off their records sales. 

"Made" is definitely a good choice of words there, as PJs only release in 9 years, LB did a touch over half a million units sold iirc.

They can gross almost as much in one day playing MSG if they charged an average ticket price of $225. Plus merch.

My point being, they do not have to tour relentlessly to earn.  They actually have had a nest egg and common sense to sit on top of that other artists have not had the luxury of nearly as much so.

Lerxst1992

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

PB11041 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

KN219077 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Surprising they haven't played over 1000 shows over 27 years.

For a band that prides itself on live versions of their songs, it's unexpected.

Comparing them to another bad that started at the same time, DMB has played well over twice that amount. 

Good point

Their career is also about where the Dead were when Jerry passed. They were at about 2500 shows IIRC.

Both bands live off the road though, particularly the Dead.  Pearl Jam actually made money off their records sales. 

"Made" is definitely a good choice of words there, as PJs only release in 9 years, LB did a touch over half a million units sold iirc.

They can gross almost as much in one day playing MSG if they charged an average ticket price of $225. Plus merch.

My point being, they do not have to tour relentlessly to earn.  They actually have had a nest egg and common sense to sit on top of that other artists have not had the luxury of nearly as much so.

I agree. The internet claims each in the band is worth around $100 million. They have earned their youthful semi retirement 

But father time moves fast. What has been a conscious decision the last 14 or so years to be a sometimes part time band, in a few years they each will be looking at a huge birthday milestone 

Not soon after that, the decision to take it slow will no longer be voluntary. How many years after that can Mike solo like he does?

Watching some of the 2018 shows, the joy Ed seems to have climbing into the crowd, their legacy of the live performance and everything related (boots, merch, rabid fans, posters etc.)...

They would have noticed the clock ticking by now.

Zod

PB11041 said:

They can gross almost as much in one day playing MSG if they charged an average ticket price of $225. Plus merch.

My point being, they do not have to tour relentlessly to earn.  They actually have had a nest egg and common sense to sit on top of that other artists have not had the luxury of nearly as much so.

I always thought they were moderately wealthy.   They've generally toured less than other artists and charged less for tickets.    Some of that is made up by the ferocity of which we buy merch at live shows.  On the other hand I get the feeling they don't spend like other artists either.     The combination is probably why they can tour less than many other artists out there.

PB11041

Zod said:

PB11041 said:

They can gross almost as much in one day playing MSG if they charged an average ticket price of $225. Plus merch.

My point being, they do not have to tour relentlessly to earn.  They actually have had a nest egg and common sense to sit on top of that other artists have not had the luxury of nearly as much so.

I always thought they were moderately wealthy.   They've generally toured less than other artists and charged less for tickets.    Some of that is made up by the ferocity of which we buy merch at live shows.  On the other hand I get the feeling they don't spend like other artists either.     The combination is probably why they can tour less than many other artists out there.

Yes