Lies, Damn Lies & The Lying Liars That Tell Them
I read the following in an article about dementia, of all things and man, I do not wish that on anyone, in the October 8th New Yorker. It struck me on many levels but mostly because of Team Trump Treason. Perhaps, sufficient reason for impeachment? In addition, I listened to an NPR interview with a journalist with the Toronto Star who has documented every lie told by Team Trump Treason since taking the oath of office. One of the motivations behind them, is that for every lie we discuss, consumes the news cycle or is debated or followed up on, we're not talking, debating or reporting on the things that really matter (Team Mueller investigation, tax, environmental, health policy, etc.). But it goes deeper than that according to the following:
"Moreover, it is not only the liar's character that is at stake but also that of people around them who see and hear what they're doing. 'Let's say it's a family with children listening in,' Bok says. 'There is so much lying in families anyway-how will children distinguish this from other kinds of lies?' A child hearing a parent lie will be particularly affected, but so will anyone who hears another person lying without compunction-lying in fact, in a spirit of kindness. The commitment to truth is very fragile, Bok believes. It can be preserved only if we believe that other people are also committed to it. 'The veneer of social trust is often thin,' she wrote in "Lying." 'As lies spread-by imitation, or in retaliation, or to forestall suspected detection-trust is damaged. Yet trust is a social good to be protected just as much as the air we breathe or the water we drink....When it is destroyed, societies falter and collapse." The New Yorker, October 8, 2018, pages 53-54.
Facts matter. The truth matters.
More information:
Sissela Bok:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sissela_Bok
Lying:
Is it ever all right to lie? A philosopher looks at lying and deception in public and private life—in government, medicine, law, academia, journalism, in the family and between friends.
Lying is a penetrating and thoughtful examination of one of the most pervasive yet little discussed aspects of our public and private lives. Beginning with the moral questions raised about lying since antiquity, Sissela Bok takes up the justifications offered for all kinds of lies—white lies, lies to the sick and dying, lies of parents to children, lies to enemies, lies to protect clients and peers. The consequences of such lies are then explored through a number of concrete situations in which people are involved, either as liars or as the victims of a lie.
https://www.amazon.com/Lying-Moral-Choice-Public-Private/dp/0375705287
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I understand the point being made by Halifax, and agree. But I just can't get past the people with Alzheimer's/dementia in that story. I am definitely pro-compassion, and that means pro-lying to dementia patients. I think the Dr's in the 70's who were all about confronting them with truth and reality lacked empathy and compassion, and were monsters. It's hard to tell someone to fuck themselves for telling the truth, but fuck them for psychologically abusing those poor dementia patients at a point in their lives when they just needed comforting and a peaceful, safe surrounding. Lying absolutely has its place in dementia care. I have no moral struggle with that belief.
Trump's lying is an entire different thing. It is unclear to me how much of what he says he believes. I believe he's delusional on some level. I know he's an intentional liar on another level. I guess that combo produces someone who is disengaged from the truth most of the time. If it is because he has dementia, then let's get him into a comfortable care facility and restore our country's dignity and honor. If it is because he has a compulsion to lie, then let's get him out of office and back to his real estate empire where lying like that is the status quo and the recipe for success. Either way, Trump's lying is harmful and in stark contrast to a caregiver's therapeutic fibbing.
I certainly wouldn’t want to live that way and I hope I remember to OD on my drug(s) of choice, if it comes that way. I can’t begin to imagine what that Dutch facility would cost per month in the US. $15-$20K per month?
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Conversely, I'm all for, under other circumstances, "lying" in order to preserve...kindness? A sense of safety and love and not being alone, a semblance of normalcy...
Alzheimer's is one of the cruelest diseases; I'm so sorry for those who are living with or lost those to this monstrosity.
I've no problem ending my life when it is no longer my life. My husband knows this and the dude will abide.
Now to get those pesky legal forms in place
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Peace, health, and clarity of mind to all of you, truly
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To everyone who’s offered support, thank you. And to those who have gone through it, I’m sorry.
Last time I saw my mother I’m pretty sure she had no clue who I was or why I brought pizza but she sat down with me and my step dad and ate heartily. As we discussed things, my step dad tells me that my mother has taken to trying to sneak out of bed at night and pace about the house, turning on all the lights. Suddenly my mother blurts out, “and it was fun!” All I could do was laugh and think WTF because she doesn’t know who I am but turning on all the lights in the house in the middle of the night is fun. I thought maybe I should become a light? But most of the time she was expressionless or talked babble. She also went inside for her shoes from the back deck, disappeared for 20 minutes and returned with 3 magazines. Drove home just shaking my head at the day.
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