2018/2019 NBA Thread

Poncier · June 2019

tempo_n_groove said:

Poncier said:

cp3iverson said:

tempo_n_groove said:

cp3iverson said:

I love how David Griffin and the Pelicans negotiated the draft picks. Besides this year’s #4 the other two will come when Lebron is either retired or pushing 40.

Yes, great deal for the Pelicans. When the Lakers are rebuilding again and have good draft position the Pelicans (I think) can take that draft spot. I know there is language about protected/unprotected in there. Waiting for the final analysis.

2019 —#4

2021 goes to the Pelicans if its #1-8.

If the Lakers keep 2021 then 2022 goes to the Pelicans (unprotected)

2023 —- the Pelicans can swap picks with the Lakers if the Lakers have a better pick

2024—- goes to the Pelicans (unprotected)

2025 —- the Pelicans can swap picks with the Lakers if the Lakers have a better pick

Looks a lot like the Celtics/Nets deal for Pierce and Garnett a few years ago. Pelicans definitely got good value.

With all these one and done players now a days the draft doesn't seem to mean much anymore. Look at the last 5 years and the first 10 players drafted.

Only the #1 player drafted has been a big impact. You can argue that Tatum and Doncic are too but for the most part the draft is one and done too.

Thoughts?

I wouldn't go that far.
Picks 2-10 have produced a few impact guys the last 5 years:

2014: Embiid
2015: Russell, Porzingis (when healthy)
2016: Brown, Hield, Murray
2017: Tatum, Fox
2018: Doncic, Young (hard to judge this class after only one season, lots of time for guys to still develop)

Certainly some of these guys need a couple seasons before making a significant impact, that's cause a lot of them are 19 or 20 when they enter the league.

Look at Paul George or Kawhi's first couple of seasons, not a true indication of what they became.

cutz · June 2019

tempo_n_groove said:

2020 NBA Championship Odds
Los Angeles Lakers +250
Milwaukee Bucks +550
Toronto Raptors +600
Golden State Warriors +750
Houston Rockets +850
Philadelphia 76ers +1000
Los Angeles Clippers +1400
Boston Celtics +1800
Denver Nuggets +2000
Dallas Mavericks +2200
Oklahoma City Thunder +2200

A Value Bet would be the Nuggets?

Poncier · June 2019

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

2020 NBA Championship Odds
Los Angeles Lakers +250
Milwaukee Bucks +550
Toronto Raptors +600
Golden State Warriors +750
Houston Rockets +850
Philadelphia 76ers +1000
Los Angeles Clippers +1400
Boston Celtics +1800
Denver Nuggets +2000
Dallas Mavericks +2200
Oklahoma City Thunder +2200

A Value Bet would be the Nuggets?

Or gamble (haha) that Kawhi goes to the Clippers and jump on them at 14-1 now, they'll be less than half that if he does.

The Juggler · June 2019

Poncier said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

2020 NBA Championship Odds
Los Angeles Lakers +250
Milwaukee Bucks +550
Toronto Raptors +600
Golden State Warriors +750
Houston Rockets +850
Philadelphia 76ers +1000
Los Angeles Clippers +1400
Boston Celtics +1800
Denver Nuggets +2000
Dallas Mavericks +2200
Oklahoma City Thunder +2200

A Value Bet would be the Nuggets?

Or gamble (haha) that Kawhi goes to the Clippers and jump on them at 14-1 now, they'll be less than half that if he does.

So you’re losing Horford and the flat earth guy. Who else is leaving?

No Coder · June 2019

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

2020 NBA Championship Odds
Los Angeles Lakers +250
Milwaukee Bucks +550
Toronto Raptors +600
Golden State Warriors +750
Houston Rockets +850
Philadelphia 76ers +1000
Los Angeles Clippers +1400
Boston Celtics +1800
Denver Nuggets +2000
Dallas Mavericks +2200
Oklahoma City Thunder +2200

A Value Bet would be the Nuggets?

With adding Conley, they will jump high into this conversation. I don't think they can win it all, but they could give it a good push if they stay healthy. Need to add some depth, especially at PG as Conley will miss some time and Exum can't be relied on.

Conley may be the perfect guy to play alongside Mitchell and within the Jazz system. He is elite in Pick and Roll offense and the Jazz love that. Gobert/Favors (who will likely stay now) will love having him on board. Conley is the most under appreciated PG in the league.

Wobbie · June 2019

No Coder said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

2020 NBA Championship Odds
Los Angeles Lakers +250
Milwaukee Bucks +550
Toronto Raptors +600
Golden State Warriors +750
Houston Rockets +850
Philadelphia 76ers +1000
Los Angeles Clippers +1400
Boston Celtics +1800
Denver Nuggets +2000
Dallas Mavericks +2200
Oklahoma City Thunder +2200

A Value Bet would be the Nuggets?

With adding Conley, they will jump high into this conversation. I don't think they can win it all, but they could give it a good push if they stay healthy. Need to add some depth, especially at PG as Conley will miss some time and Exum can't be relied on.

Conley may be the perfect guy to play alongside Mitchell and within the Jazz system. He is elite in Pick and Roll offense and the Jazz love that. Gobert/Favors (who will likely stay now) will love having him on board. Conley is the most under appreciated PG in the league.

coder - nuggets and jazz are not the same team

really like this move for the jazz....with some luck, they could go far.

Poncier · June 2019

The Juggler said:

Poncier said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

2020 NBA Championship Odds
Los Angeles Lakers +250
Milwaukee Bucks +550
Toronto Raptors +600
Golden State Warriors +750
Houston Rockets +850
Philadelphia 76ers +1000
Los Angeles Clippers +1400
Boston Celtics +1800
Denver Nuggets +2000
Dallas Mavericks +2200
Oklahoma City Thunder +2200

A Value Bet would be the Nuggets?

Or gamble (haha) that Kawhi goes to the Clippers and jump on them at 14-1 now, they'll be less than half that if he does.

So you’re losing Horford and the flat earth guy. Who else is leaving?

Butler and Harris

The Juggler · June 2019

Poncier said:

The Juggler said:

Poncier said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

2020 NBA Championship Odds
Los Angeles Lakers +250
Milwaukee Bucks +550
Toronto Raptors +600
Golden State Warriors +750
Houston Rockets +850
Philadelphia 76ers +1000
Los Angeles Clippers +1400
Boston Celtics +1800
Denver Nuggets +2000
Dallas Mavericks +2200
Oklahoma City Thunder +2200

A Value Bet would be the Nuggets?

Or gamble (haha) that Kawhi goes to the Clippers and jump on them at 14-1 now, they'll be less than half that if he does.

So you’re losing Horford and the flat earth guy. Who else is leaving?

Butler and Harris

Ha
Well, you guys had a good year or two run there.

Meltdown99 · June 2019

So Boston is in rebuild mode...lol

HesCalledDyer · June 2019

The Juggler said:

Poncier said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

2020 NBA Championship Odds
Los Angeles Lakers +250
Milwaukee Bucks +550
Toronto Raptors +600
Golden State Warriors +750
Houston Rockets +850
Philadelphia 76ers +1000
Los Angeles Clippers +1400
Boston Celtics +1800
Denver Nuggets +2000
Dallas Mavericks +2200
Oklahoma City Thunder +2200

A Value Bet would be the Nuggets?

Or gamble (haha) that Kawhi goes to the Clippers and jump on them at 14-1 now, they'll be less than half that if he does.

So you’re losing Horford and the flat earth guy. Who else is leaving?

"the flat earth guy"

Poncier · June 2019

The Juggler said:

Poncier said:

The Juggler said:

Poncier said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

2020 NBA Championship Odds
Los Angeles Lakers +250
Milwaukee Bucks +550
Toronto Raptors +600
Golden State Warriors +750
Houston Rockets +850
Philadelphia 76ers +1000
Los Angeles Clippers +1400
Boston Celtics +1800
Denver Nuggets +2000
Dallas Mavericks +2200
Oklahoma City Thunder +2200

A Value Bet would be the Nuggets?

Or gamble (haha) that Kawhi goes to the Clippers and jump on them at 14-1 now, they'll be less than half that if he does.

So you’re losing Horford and the flat earth guy. Who else is leaving?

Butler and Harris

Ha
Well, you guys had a good year or two run there.

Yep, just a bit better than your run.

The Juggler · June 2019

Poncier said:

The Juggler said:

Poncier said:

The Juggler said:

Poncier said:

cutz said:

tempo_n_groove said:

2020 NBA Championship Odds
Los Angeles Lakers +250
Milwaukee Bucks +550
Toronto Raptors +600
Golden State Warriors +750
Houston Rockets +850
Philadelphia 76ers +1000
Los Angeles Clippers +1400
Boston Celtics +1800
Denver Nuggets +2000
Dallas Mavericks +2200
Oklahoma City Thunder +2200

A Value Bet would be the Nuggets?

Or gamble (haha) that Kawhi goes to the Clippers and jump on them at 14-1 now, they'll be less than half that if he does.

So you’re losing Horford and the flat earth guy. Who else is leaving?

Butler and Harris

Ha
Well, you guys had a good year or two run there.

Yep, just a bit better than your run.

I warned you about this a month or so ago...

The Juggler · June 2019

God bless the Lakers

cutz · June 2019

The Juggler said:

God bless the Lakers

HAHAHAHAHA>If that's true man, i love it.

And, you hear the Talking Basketball Heads saying they hope to have enough money for another Max player? Even if they do what kind of Bench players can they get? Maybe you & me can suit up>LOL

HesCalledDyer · June 2019

How did that happen?!

Did GM Lebron hire JR Smith to be CFO?

fife · June 2019

Meltdown99 said:

So Boston is in rebuild mode...lol

I think it is premature to say this. still have some good players. i think it depends on if the young players grow more this next year than last year. also you have to see if Hayward can come back to what he was before his injury or if he is done. I think Boston not going for AD was a smart move to be honest. I can see again 4-5 top teams in the east next year. if Leonard signs in toronto , they have to be the favorite if not they go down to maybe the 4th or 5th best team in the east depending on Free agency.

fife · June 2019

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Really?

This could go south real quick...
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26973914/ujiri-incident-deputy-investigation

Both sides should admit their error and move on if it went down like it seems.

Yeah, they should... let's see if they do.

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Really?

This could go south real quick...
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26973914/ujiri-incident-deputy-investigation

Both sides should admit their error and move on if it went down like it seems.

Agreed.

well it appears that both sides didn't admit their error. the cop is suing.

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1788481

tempo_n_groove · June 2019

fife said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Meltdown99 said:

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Really?

This could go south real quick...
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26973914/ujiri-incident-deputy-investigation

Both sides should admit their error and move on if it went down like it seems.

Yeah, they should... let's see if they do.

DewieCox said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Really?

This could go south real quick...
https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/26973914/ujiri-incident-deputy-investigation

Both sides should admit their error and move on if it went down like it seems.

Agreed.

well it appears that both sides didn't admit their error. the cop is suing.

https://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1788481

Of course he's suing...

Meltdown99 · June 2019

fife said:

Meltdown99 said:

So Boston is in rebuild mode...lol

I think it is premature to say this. still have some good players. i think it depends on if the young players grow more this next year than last year. also you have to see if Hayward can come back to what he was before his injury or if he is done. I think Boston not going for AD was a smart move to be honest. I can see again 4-5 top teams in the east next year. if Leonard signs in toronto , they have to be the favorite if not they go down to maybe the 4th or 5th best team in the east depending on Free agency.

Thanks for your well-explained response. Not the biggest basketball person. The Raptors peaked my interest and I really enjoyed the playoffs...still learning.

markymark550 · June 2019

So, is anybody playing the Jay Bilas Draft Drinking Game?

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