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  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,305

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  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    mickeyrat said:

    lol
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Fake news.

    Ginsberg is portrayed as awake.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 44,305
    unsung said:
    Fake news.

    Ginsberg is portrayed as awake.
    funny how you just posted a thread about civility.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478

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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,809
    mickeyrat said:
    unsung said:
    Fake news.

    Ginsberg is portrayed as awake.
    funny how you just posted a thread about civility.
    It was funny though. 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,652
    cincybearcat said:
    mickeyrat said:
    unsung said:
    Fake news.

    Ginsberg is portrayed as awake.
    funny how you just posted a thread about civility.
    It was funny though. 
    It actually was, lol.
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    mickeyrat said:
    unsung said:
    Fake news.

    Ginsberg is portrayed as awake.
    funny how you just posted a thread about civility.
    I was told to not be, sorry.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,520
    mickeyrat said:
    unsung said:
    Fake news.

    Ginsberg is portrayed as awake.
    funny how you just posted a thread about civility.
    She dozes off. There are pictures. What's uncivil about joking about that?
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,396
    pjl44 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    unsung said:
    Fake news.

    Ginsberg is portrayed as awake.
    funny how you just posted a thread about civility.
    She dozes off. There are pictures. What's uncivil about joking about that?
    Who dies first, Trump or RBG? Maybe she could take him with here when she goes. That would be a patriotic sacrifice.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    I don’t wish death on anyone, forced retirement is a better option.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Lifetime appointments are bullshit... it was designed that way for guaranteed control by elite interests... the judges are selected by politicians... politicians are bought and sold like cattle, all of them... therefore, the people buying and controlling the politicians are the ones ultimately selecting the Justices... 

    Roberts court is 73-0 in favor of corporate interests?


    The game is rigged folks. Has been from the beginning 


  • Halifax2TheMax
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    unsung said:
    I don’t wish death on anyone, forced retirement is a better option.
    Yea, umm, sure.
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  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,396
    unsung said:
    I don’t wish death on anyone, forced retirement is a better option.
    I was thinking more along the lines of they die together in an Act of love...
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • Meltdown99
    Meltdown99 None Of Your Business... Posts: 10,739
    Why do politicians feel the need to apologize for Americans?  I hate when politicians do that.  Apologize on behave of the government, not the citizens ... what dummy.
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  • pjl44
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    my2hands said:
    Lifetime appointments are bullshit... it was designed that way for guaranteed control by elite interests... the judges are selected by politicians... politicians are bought and sold like cattle, all of them... therefore, the people buying and controlling the politicians are the ones ultimately selecting the Justices... 

    Roberts court is 73-0 in favor of corporate interests?


    The game is rigged folks. Has been from the beginning 


    I'm afraid to ask how we should select the judges
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,652
    edited October 2018
    pjl44 said:
    my2hands said:
    Lifetime appointments are bullshit... it was designed that way for guaranteed control by elite interests... the judges are selected by politicians... politicians are bought and sold like cattle, all of them... therefore, the people buying and controlling the politicians are the ones ultimately selecting the Justices... 

    Roberts court is 73-0 in favor of corporate interests?


    The game is rigged folks. Has been from the beginning 


    I'm afraid to ask how we should select the judges
    The current way clearly sucks far too often, but it's still a hell of a lot better than judges actually running for election. I do agree that a lifetime appointment is ridiculous. Lifetime appointments shouldn't exist in the SCOTUS. There should be a limit. Even if it's a 20 year term, that's better than lifetime appointment. And presidents should actually have ZERO input in who is appointed. I think the nomination process should be completely non-partisan, since that is what the SCOTUS is supposed to be as well. 
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Nothing is non partisan in 2018.
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,359
    PJ_Soul said:
    pjl44 said:
    my2hands said:
    Lifetime appointments are bullshit... it was designed that way for guaranteed control by elite interests... the judges are selected by politicians... politicians are bought and sold like cattle, all of them... therefore, the people buying and controlling the politicians are the ones ultimately selecting the Justices... 

    Roberts court is 73-0 in favor of corporate interests?


    The game is rigged folks. Has been from the beginning 


    I'm afraid to ask how we should select the judges
    The current way clearly sucks far too often, but it's still a hell of a lot better than judges actually running for election. I do agree that a lifetime appointment is ridiculous. Lifetime appointments shouldn't exist in the SCOTUS. There should be a limit. Even if it's a 20 year term, that's better than lifetime appointment. And presidents should actually have ZERO input in who is appointed. I think the nomination process should be completely non-partisan, since that is what the SCOTUS is supposed to be as well. 
    I think the fact that SCOTUS' ideological bents seem to correlate with their rulings proves that no matter how impartial the nomination process, once again, the same pesky human flaws exist: a Judge or Justice can participate in capitalism, law, and politicals (aka conflict of interest), and the so-called absolute documents representing guidelines for enforcing the law, are subject to interpretation by Judges and Justices, and therefore not absolute (along with any other religious texts claiming to be absolute). 

    As for changing the process - I still don't see any historical precedence for unthreatened power to relinquish the power they command on ethical grounds, therefore good fucking luck to anyone trying to fix this mess.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,652
    edited October 2018
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    pjl44 said:
    my2hands said:
    Lifetime appointments are bullshit... it was designed that way for guaranteed control by elite interests... the judges are selected by politicians... politicians are bought and sold like cattle, all of them... therefore, the people buying and controlling the politicians are the ones ultimately selecting the Justices... 

    Roberts court is 73-0 in favor of corporate interests?


    The game is rigged folks. Has been from the beginning 


    I'm afraid to ask how we should select the judges
    The current way clearly sucks far too often, but it's still a hell of a lot better than judges actually running for election. I do agree that a lifetime appointment is ridiculous. Lifetime appointments shouldn't exist in the SCOTUS. There should be a limit. Even if it's a 20 year term, that's better than lifetime appointment. And presidents should actually have ZERO input in who is appointed. I think the nomination process should be completely non-partisan, since that is what the SCOTUS is supposed to be as well. 
    I think the fact that SCOTUS' ideological bents seem to correlate with their rulings proves that no matter how impartial the nomination process, once again, the same pesky human flaws exist: a Judge or Justice can participate in capitalism, law, and politicals (aka conflict of interest), and the so-called absolute documents representing guidelines for enforcing the law, are subject to interpretation by Judges and Justices, and therefore not absolute (along with any other religious texts claiming to be absolute). 

    As for changing the process - I still don't see any historical precedence for unthreatened power to relinquish the power they command on ethical grounds, therefore good fucking luck to anyone trying to fix this mess.
    But not all judges are like that. The SCOTUS judges are picked for being that way more often than not, and that's the problem. That's why their decisions are split so often. If they were all doing their jobs properly the decisions would rarely be split like that. If a non-partisan body chose them, with a mandate to make sure the SCOTUS is non-partisan, they wouldn't have a difficult time finding judges who are able to be very non-partisan in their position... All they need to be are people who have scruples and logic when it comes to their role. It's actually not that hard to just go by the Constitution when making a ruling - all they have to do is be honest with themselves and use their reasoning skills. 
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