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Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
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Just fuck it up beyond recognition?
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  • SmellymanSmellyman Posts: 4,524
    Fascism rules!
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    Does the right even know what they want?  They are against government except when they're not, which is often.  It just doesn't make sense.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,527
    Yes they are complicit in the downfall of decency and higher moral grounds if you can win by cheating go for it !
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,763
    There is nothing wrong with a good hateful authoritarian dictatorship.
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    LMFAO ... Absolutely no true conservative or right leaning individuals will ever say they want no government ... they want smaller government and lower taxes.  Stereotyping that right leaning people that want no government would be the like the right stereotyping lefties as wanting big government so they can get free stuff ... both assumptions are not really accurate.  But I'm sure there is a fringe element on the right that wants no government, just as there are a fringe element on the left that want free basic income ... etc.  But those people are on the extreme of the left and right as far as I'm concerned.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    You do realize how the country was founded, right?
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,020
    unsung said:
    You do realize how the country was founded, right?
    Why don’t you give us your version so we can compare notes? How was it founded? In your mind?
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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    Meltdown99 said:
    LMFAO ... Absolutely no true conservative or right leaning individuals will ever say they want no government ... they want smaller government and lower taxes.  Stereotyping that right leaning people that want no government would be the like the right stereotyping lefties as wanting big government so they can get free stuff ... both assumptions are not really accurate.  But I'm sure there is a fringe element on the right that wants no government, just as there are a fringe element on the left that want free basic income ... etc.  But those people are on the extreme of the left and right as far as I'm concerned.
    This is true and though I didn't outright say the right was NO government, I did imply that, so I stand somewhat corrected.  I spoke with a  friend of a friend (connection take strange courses) who hates Obama and is typical right wing.  He said something about wanting government to stay out of things.  So he did not say he wants NO government, but I would say he wants very little government.  I think the right wants less government  more the the left wants big government.  The way it's been put here before by someone (can't remember who) is that the right is against government except when they're not.  I think that's pretty accurate.

    But I stand by what I said as far as the right not really knowing what they want.  A church in the south calls themselves Christians but are generally in favor of Trump because he want to build a wall and is against abortion.  So they believe in following what Jesus said except when they don't.  The right wants to make America great again but they scoff at people who are concerned about climate change and they don't believe global warming is anthropogenic even thought 97 percent of published scientists believe it is. 

    Etc.  These are generally very conflicted people who tend to hold grudges, are angry, and seem to have a hard time dealing with the fact that the world will not always revolve around white people, white men in particular.  The world has been controlled by people of European decent and that is changing and they are freaking out about it. Rather than learn to get along and accept that variety is the spice of life, they choose to separate themselves and make themselves more vulnerable.  They would rather go down in a blaze of self-deceiving glory than be a part of the words as it  really is.

    All that said, there are also faction of the left that have their short-comings, particularly people of landed gentry / aristocracy/ privileged backgrounds who give lip service to things like environmental issues but consume far more than the average person can in order to maintain sustainability.  I know people like this who don't even recycle.  Not the majority do this, but there are those rich liberals who are hypocritical that way.
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    brianlux said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    LMFAO ... Absolutely no true conservative or right leaning individuals will ever say they want no government ... they want smaller government and lower taxes.  Stereotyping that right leaning people that want no government would be the like the right stereotyping lefties as wanting big government so they can get free stuff ... both assumptions are not really accurate.  But I'm sure there is a fringe element on the right that wants no government, just as there are a fringe element on the left that want free basic income ... etc.  But those people are on the extreme of the left and right as far as I'm concerned.
    This is true and though I didn't outright say the right was NO government, I did imply that, so I stand somewhat corrected.  I spoke with a  friend of a friend (connection take strange courses) who hates Obama and is typical right wing.  He said something about wanting government to stay out of things.  So he did not say he wants NO government, but I would say he wants very little government.  I think the right wants less government  more the the left wants big government.  The way it's been put here before by someone (can't remember who) is that the right is against government except when they're not.  I think that's pretty accurate.

    But I stand by what I said as far as the right not really knowing what they want.  A church in the south calls themselves Christians but are generally in favor of Trump because he want to build a wall and is against abortion.  So they believe in following what Jesus said except when they don't.  The right wants to make America great again but they scoff at people who are concerned about climate change and they don't believe global warming is anthropogenic even thought 97 percent of published scientists believe it is. 

    Etc.  These are generally very conflicted people who tend to hold grudges, are angry, and seem to have a hard time dealing with the fact that the world will not always revolve around white people, white men in particular.  The world has been controlled by people of European decent and that is changing and they are freaking out about it. Rather than learn to get along and accept that variety is the spice of life, they choose to separate themselves and make themselves more vulnerable.  They would rather go down in a blaze of self-deceiving glory than be a part of the words as it  really is.

    All that said, there are also faction of the left that have their short-comings, particularly people of landed gentry / aristocracy/ privileged backgrounds who give lip service to things like environmental issues but consume far more than the average person can in order to maintain sustainability.  I know people like this who don't even recycle.  Not the majority do this, but there are those rich liberals who are hypocritical that way.

    Well your countries politics is just out right bazaar to me anyways ... I could never support a democrat or republican ... both parties are so far in bed with pharmaceuticals, big business, etc ... and are driven by money.  Not one democrat or republican really gives a shit about their citizens ...  just as long as people are foolish enough to think voting for their corrupt candidate is worth it...

    I feel the same about Canadian politicians.
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 Posts: 5,140
    unsung said:
    You do realize how the country was founded, right?
    Yep.  And not having checks and balances for leaders that can’t handle criticism.
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  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    unsung said:
    You do realize how the country was founded, right?
    Why don’t you give us your version so we can compare notes? How was it founded? In your mind?
    Secession from a government that no longer represented the people.
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