Swedish student stops Afghan man's deportation by refusing to sit down on a plane

Meltdown99

Swedish student stops Afghan man's deportation by refusing to sit down on a plane
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/swedish-student-stops-afghan-mans-deportation-by-refusing-to-sit-down-on-a-plane

Another spineless government.  

PJ_Soul

Yeah, governments who refuse to acknowledge the concerns of the citizens who elected them are way better. Of course, it's safe to assume that you aren't super knowledgeable when it comes to the Swedish government in any case.... I'm not clear on what you thought "the government" was supposed to do here to make it seem less "spineless" to you. I didn't read where the entire government was on that plane making the decisions.

Interesting story. I would like to know the details surrounding the deportation. If the deportee isn't a criminal or something and really is at risk if sent back, I'm 100% inclined to side with the protestor. There are many things a lot more important than air travellers being delayed, and saving a human being from suffering or being killed is certainly one of them. And I've heard that people are getting more and more racist/xenophobic in Sweden these days, so anyone combating that bullshit is a hero IMO.
That said, I'm pro-deportation if someone actually poses a risk to society.

brianlux

An ad pop up blocked the article.  Can you copy and paste it?

Meltdown99

Here's the problem.  People with skills are hired to properly vent asylum seekers.  Which is why in many countries politicians do not like to intervene and over rule the civil servants who make those decision.  She is just another I am special person ... look at me.

Meltdown99

brianlux said:

An ad pop up blocked the article.  Can you copy and paste it?

Maybe this link will work...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/swedish-student-activist-delays-deportation-of-afghan-man-1.4028526#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=twitter&_gsc=AO9WRwa

It's all for not.  She faces the possibility of being charged and he is still getting deported...

brianlux

Meltdown99 said:

brianlux said:

An ad pop up blocked the article.  Can you copy and paste it?

Maybe this link will work...

https://www.ctvnews.ca/world/swedish-student-activist-delays-deportation-of-afghan-man-1.4028526#_gus&_gucid=&_gup=twitter&_gsc=AO9WRwa

It's all for not.  She faces the possibility of being charged and he is still getting deported...

That link works, thanks.

I also would like to know the details of why the man is being deported.  Without them, it's an unclear story.

PJ_Soul

Meltdown99 said:

Here's the problem.  People with skills are hired to properly vent asylum seekers.  Which is why in many countries politicians do not like to intervene and over rule the civil servants who make those decision.  She is just another I am special person ... look at me.

And the problem there is that those people with supposed skills (or at least instructions) to properly make these decisions make really horrible, unjust decisions. It happens all the time. I don't really understand how you can basically completely distrust the government, constantly go on about how government sucks, and then claim to trust them to make the right decisions when it comes to this particular issue... I have to assume it's simply because in this case it serves your anti-immigrant perspective.

Spiritual_Chaos

Meltdown99 said:

Swedish student stops Afghan man's deportation by refusing to sit down on a plane
https://nationalpost.com/news/world/swedish-student-stops-afghan-mans-deportation-by-refusing-to-sit-down-on-a-plane

Another spineless government.  

Spineless? We stood up against the US during the Vietnam war.

Their anger intensified shortly before Christmas, with the news of the damage to a hospital in Hanoi that had been partly equipped by Sweden. And that night, after 9 P.M., with his sons in bed upstairs, Premier Olof Palme sat down at the kitchen table and wrote out a statement that linked the American bombing of North Vietnam with Nazi massacres in World War II. He set it aside, reread it in the morning, consulted a few associates‐‐‐but not his Foreign Ministry—and then issued it to the press. The result was a violent reaction from Washington and a sharp slap.

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President Nixon heard of Mr. Palme's words just after they moved on news agency wires on Dec. 23 and ordered diplomatic retaliation. The Swedes were told that their new Ambassador, Yngve Möller, would not be welcome for the present and that the American chargé d' affaires, John C. Guthrie, would not be returning to Stockholm.

Sweden roxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx lol rofl maga yolo xoxo 

Meltdown99

I am going to assume Sweden treats it's asylum seekers fairly.  So this one entitled brat had no right to disrupt other people's travel plans.  If she is so damn concerned why didn't she sponsor a refugee, open up her home?  Now lets consider the flight crew, they have a job to do under very stressful conditions ... now she adds more stress to them, and now there is disrupted and if the plane did carry on the you got a flight crew dealing with more stress than usual and having to work a longer day.

An airplane is no place for protestors ... I hope they throw the book her, literally.

PJ_Soul

That's a groundless assumption.

brianlux

Still hoping to see some info on this case.  Was the man really a threat?  Would he have been killed unjustly if deported.  Was this young woman's act a courageous way to save a man's life or something else all together.  I'll wait l see what the specifics about the incident are and will meanwhile withhold opinion and judgement.

PJ_Soul

brianlux said:

Still hoping to see some info on this case.  Was the man really a threat?  Would he have been killed unjustly if deported.  Was this young woman's act a courageous way to save a man's life or something else all together.  I'll wait l see what the specifics about the incident are and will meanwhile withhold opinion and judgement.

Yeah, without information about why this guy was being deported and the details as to why he or the protestor was SO against it that she pulled this, it's literally impossible to form an opinion specific to this case that isn't completely worthless.
I do know that many deportations are absolutely horrible and cruel decisions made by those hired to fairly vet asylum seekers or other illegal immigrants, for no other reason than to be fucking hard asses. It's done by jerks who refuse to think in any way other than black and white, which is a pathetic and dimwitted way to deal with it. I do not know if that was the case here or not. IF it was, then that girl is a hero. IF it wasn't, then I dunno what her story is, maybe she just really really cares about the guy and went extreme. Either way, I still can't say I care overly much about passengers being delayed. I always felt that airline passengers way overreact to what I consider pretty minor inconveniences in the scheme of things (yeah yeah, there are exceptions to every rule of course). Some plane passengers can be such bitchy assholes.

Annafalk

Even if there is decided that a person doesn't have any legal reasons to stay, the government are having a really hard problem getting them to leave.
There is a lot that's not working well here, I think it's important that we help those most in need but they seem to let everyone in, its not a well working system, unfortunately.
And then we have people doing things like this on top of everything. 

PJ_Soul

Annafalk said:

Even if there is decided that a person doesn't have any legal reasons to stay, the government are having a really hard problem getting them to leave.
There is a lot that's not working well here, I think it's important that we help those most in need but they seem to let everyone in, its not a well working system, unfortunately.

Well if they let them in, then they should assume the responsibility of helping them stay there, no? I just don't understand why the government would want to get them to leave if they are law abiding people who are capable of work and who will be in potential danger if they are deported (that last part is the most important). I think that is heartless and cruel. Sweden (or Canada) is not bursting at the seams, and it's not like we're talking about millions of people. If we were talking about China or something, then maybe I could understand just wanting them to leave for no particular real reason other than not wanting them there, since there just isn't any room in China. But that really isn't the case in Sweden, or Canada, or America. Although I think concentrated populations can be an issue. But there are also solutions to that, if anyone were bothered to get it done.

Annafalk

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

Even if there is decided that a person doesn't have any legal reasons to stay, the government are having a really hard problem getting them to leave.
There is a lot that's not working well here, I think it's important that we help those most in need but they seem to let everyone in, its not a well working system, unfortunately.

Well if they let them in, then they should assume the responsibility of helping them stay there, no? I just don't understand why the government would want to get them to leave if they are law abiding people who are capable of work and who will be in potential danger if they are deported (that last part is the most important). I think that is heartless and cruel. Sweden (or Canada) is not bursting at the seams, and it's not like we're talking about millions of people. If we were talking about China or something, then maybe I could understand just wanting them to leave for no particular real reason other than not wanting them there, since there just isn't any room in China. But that really isn't the case in Sweden, or Canada, or America. Although I think concentrated populations can be an issue. But there are also solutions to that, if anyone were bothered to get it done.

We must let them in because of the asylum right laws. But then they get their case evaluated. Anyway the system isn't working as it was suppose to. We take in too many and this country is going downhill. 

PJ_Soul

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

Even if there is decided that a person doesn't have any legal reasons to stay, the government are having a really hard problem getting them to leave.
There is a lot that's not working well here, I think it's important that we help those most in need but they seem to let everyone in, its not a well working system, unfortunately.

Well if they let them in, then they should assume the responsibility of helping them stay there, no? I just don't understand why the government would want to get them to leave if they are law abiding people who are capable of work and who will be in potential danger if they are deported (that last part is the most important). I think that is heartless and cruel. Sweden (or Canada) is not bursting at the seams, and it's not like we're talking about millions of people. If we were talking about China or something, then maybe I could understand just wanting them to leave for no particular real reason other than not wanting them there, since there just isn't any room in China. But that really isn't the case in Sweden, or Canada, or America. Although I think concentrated populations can be an issue. But there are also solutions to that, if anyone were bothered to get it done.

We must let them in because of the asylum right laws. But then they get their case evaluated. Anyway the system isn't working as it was suppose to. We take in too many and this country is going downhill. 

Well, I feel like helping legit asylum seekers is well worth people making some sacrifices for that cause - it's the only moral thing to do. But sure, if the asylum claim is bullshit and they are truly just using asylum as a lie to skirt the regular immigration process for no reason other than selfishness, that's another story.
In what specific ways have asylum seekers lowered your own quality of life in Sweden, out of curiosity?

Annafalk

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

Even if there is decided that a person doesn't have any legal reasons to stay, the government are having a really hard problem getting them to leave.
There is a lot that's not working well here, I think it's important that we help those most in need but they seem to let everyone in, its not a well working system, unfortunately.

Well if they let them in, then they should assume the responsibility of helping them stay there, no? I just don't understand why the government would want to get them to leave if they are law abiding people who are capable of work and who will be in potential danger if they are deported (that last part is the most important). I think that is heartless and cruel. Sweden (or Canada) is not bursting at the seams, and it's not like we're talking about millions of people. If we were talking about China or something, then maybe I could understand just wanting them to leave for no particular real reason other than not wanting them there, since there just isn't any room in China. But that really isn't the case in Sweden, or Canada, or America. Although I think concentrated populations can be an issue. But there are also solutions to that, if anyone were bothered to get it done.

We must let them in because of the asylum right laws. But then they get their case evaluated. Anyway the system isn't working as it was suppose to. We take in too many and this country is going downhill. 

Well, I feel like helping legit asylum seekers is well worth people making some sacrifices for that cause - it's the only moral thing to do. But sure, if the asylum claim is bullshit and they are truly just using asylum as a lie to skirt the regular immigration process for no reason other than selfishness, that's another story.
In what specific ways have asylum seekers lowered your own quality of life in Sweden, out of curiosity?

I'm not talking about this from my own quality of life perspective. It doesn't matter anyway since most people get to stay anyway. 

Did you know that this asylum seeker she "rescued" from the plane was a criminal. 

PJ_Soul

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

Even if there is decided that a person doesn't have any legal reasons to stay, the government are having a really hard problem getting them to leave.
There is a lot that's not working well here, I think it's important that we help those most in need but they seem to let everyone in, its not a well working system, unfortunately.

Well if they let them in, then they should assume the responsibility of helping them stay there, no? I just don't understand why the government would want to get them to leave if they are law abiding people who are capable of work and who will be in potential danger if they are deported (that last part is the most important). I think that is heartless and cruel. Sweden (or Canada) is not bursting at the seams, and it's not like we're talking about millions of people. If we were talking about China or something, then maybe I could understand just wanting them to leave for no particular real reason other than not wanting them there, since there just isn't any room in China. But that really isn't the case in Sweden, or Canada, or America. Although I think concentrated populations can be an issue. But there are also solutions to that, if anyone were bothered to get it done.

We must let them in because of the asylum right laws. But then they get their case evaluated. Anyway the system isn't working as it was suppose to. We take in too many and this country is going downhill. 

Well, I feel like helping legit asylum seekers is well worth people making some sacrifices for that cause - it's the only moral thing to do. But sure, if the asylum claim is bullshit and they are truly just using asylum as a lie to skirt the regular immigration process for no reason other than selfishness, that's another story.
In what specific ways have asylum seekers lowered your own quality of life in Sweden, out of curiosity?

I'm not talking about this from my own quality of life perspective. It doesn't matter anyway since most people get to stay anyway. 

What perspective are you talking about it from? How are asylum seekers ruining your country?

Annafalk

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

PJ_Soul said:

Annafalk said:

Even if there is decided that a person doesn't have any legal reasons to stay, the government are having a really hard problem getting them to leave.
There is a lot that's not working well here, I think it's important that we help those most in need but they seem to let everyone in, its not a well working system, unfortunately.

Well if they let them in, then they should assume the responsibility of helping them stay there, no? I just don't understand why the government would want to get them to leave if they are law abiding people who are capable of work and who will be in potential danger if they are deported (that last part is the most important). I think that is heartless and cruel. Sweden (or Canada) is not bursting at the seams, and it's not like we're talking about millions of people. If we were talking about China or something, then maybe I could understand just wanting them to leave for no particular real reason other than not wanting them there, since there just isn't any room in China. But that really isn't the case in Sweden, or Canada, or America. Although I think concentrated populations can be an issue. But there are also solutions to that, if anyone were bothered to get it done.

We must let them in because of the asylum right laws. But then they get their case evaluated. Anyway the system isn't working as it was suppose to. We take in too many and this country is going downhill. 

Well, I feel like helping legit asylum seekers is well worth people making some sacrifices for that cause - it's the only moral thing to do. But sure, if the asylum claim is bullshit and they are truly just using asylum as a lie to skirt the regular immigration process for no reason other than selfishness, that's another story.
In what specific ways have asylum seekers lowered your own quality of life in Sweden, out of curiosity?

I'm not talking about this from my own quality of life perspective. It doesn't matter anyway since most people get to stay anyway. 

What perspective are you talking about it from? How are asylum seekers ruining your country?

This is really a too big question and it's really late here. But there really is a lot of problems with different kind of crimes, rapes, gangs in malls, gang shootings, murder, terrorist attacks (the terrorist killing 5 people last year had already been rejected to stay but he was here anyway.) I don't want to talk about this anymore I'm sorry.

PJ_Soul

Wow, those are a lot of condemnations against legit asylum seekers. Something seems a little off in your view there IMHO. But okay, I understand that you don't want to discuss it.

brianlux

I'm still not seeing any more detail here to give an informed opinion on the subject.  Come on, people, do your job!  Lets see what you come up with.

What?  You want me to do the research? LOL, maybe later when it's not a kabillion degrees and my keyboard stops melting under my fingertips.