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Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
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Anybody ever use this stuff? I am interested in finding out more about it. Is the stuff in headshops or gnc the real deal? Anything i need to know befofe using it? Thanks.

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  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    i tried it a little over a year ago on a trip to Indiana.  a friend had some capsules of it that he made from the powder.  I took 4 pills before going to the airport.  I ended up getting extremely disoriented and lost my wallet somewhere in the terminal.  i barely made my flight...maybe be careful with it.
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    Reading up on it on Wikipedia, I'd say maybe avoid it or at the very least, proceed with caution:

    Adverse effects

    At relatively low doses (1–5 g of raw leaves), at which there are mostly stimulant effects, side effects include contracted pupils and blushing; adverse effects related to stimulation include anxiety and agitation, and opioid-related effects like itching, nausea, loss of appetite, and increased urination begin to appear.[3][9]

    At moderate (5 to 15 g of raw leaves) doses and higher, at which opioid effects generally appear, additional adverse effects include tachycardia (increased stimulant effect) as well as the opioid side effects of constipation, dizziness, hypotension, dry mouth, and sweating.[9][11]

    Frequent use of high doses of kratom may cause tremors, anorexia, weight loss, seizures, and psychosis.[9] If frequent users try to stop using kratom, they may experience withdrawal symptoms including irritability, feelings of distress, nausea, hypertension, insomnia, a runny nose, muscle and joint pain, and diarrhea.

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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    Yeah, I'll probably pass on this. I would try maybe one small dose, but I'll just a stick with the herb.The history of the plant and usage is interesting though.
    I just recently had a great experience with an edible marijuana. I've only had a few experiences with marijuana edibles before and never really cared for it, but wow did I enjoy this last one. It was a 50mg, whatever that means, cake pop. It was awsome.

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  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    Hi! said:
    Yeah, I'll probably pass on this. I would try maybe one small dose, but I'll just a stick with the herb.The history of the plant and usage is interesting though.
    I just recently had a great experience with an edible marijuana. I've only had a few experiences with marijuana edibles before and never really cared for it, but wow did I enjoy this last one. It was a 50mg, whatever that means, cake pop. It was awsome.
    I've had weirdly mixed experiences with edibles ranging form euphoria to being extremely sick with vomiting and dizziness.  That latter experience has shied me away from edibles which is too bad because I think they are healthier than smoking.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
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  • Hi!Hi! Posts: 3,095
    brianlux said:
    I've had weirdly mixed experiences with edibles ranging form euphoria to being extremely sick with vomiting and dizziness.  That latter experience has shied me away from edibles which is too bad because I think they are healthier than smoking.
    That has kind of been my experience as well and why I always shyed away from them. I am not educated in it enough but I'm guessing it has to do with the amount of mg and wether it's indica or sativa. ?? Im glad I found one I like. Hopefully results will be the same next time. I'll probably eat 75mg of the same kind next time.

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  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    vaggar99 said:
    i tried it a little over a year ago on a trip to Indiana.  a friend had some capsules of it that he made from the powder.  I took 4 pills before going to the airport.  I ended up getting extremely disoriented and lost my wallet somewhere in the terminal.  i barely made my flight...maybe be careful with it.
    Maybe immediately prior to going to the airport is not the best time to experiment with new substances..... ;). 
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    oftenreading said:
    vaggar99 said:
    i tried it a little over a year ago on a trip to Indiana.  a friend had some capsules of it that he made from the powder.  I took 4 pills before going to the airport.  I ended up getting extremely disoriented and lost my wallet somewhere in the terminal.  i barely made my flight...maybe be careful with it.
    Maybe immediately prior to going to the airport is not the best time to experiment with new substances..... ;). 
    Oh, how times have changed.  I knew this guy back in my college days who took a commercial flight back to NYC.  I asked him how the flight went and he said, "It was great.  I smoked a joint in the bathroom after the 'fasten seat belts' sign went off.  It was the best flight I've even been on!"   Well, hey, that was also back in the day when smoking was allowed in the back of the plane.  No shit.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    vaggar99 said:
    i tried it a little over a year ago on a trip to Indiana.  a friend had some capsules of it that he made from the powder.  I took 4 pills before going to the airport.  I ended up getting extremely disoriented and lost my wallet somewhere in the terminal.  i barely made my flight...maybe be careful with it.
    Maybe immediately prior to going to the airport is not the best time to experiment with new substances..... ;). 
    Oh, how times have changed.  I knew this guy back in my college days who took a commercial flight back to NYC.  I asked him how the flight went and he said, "It was great.  I smoked a joint in the bathroom after the 'fasten seat belts' sign went off.  It was the best flight I've even been on!"   Well, hey, that was also back in the day when smoking was allowed in the back of the plane.  No shit.
    its even better now with vape pens.  you can smoke in any seat.
  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427

    oftenreading said:
    vaggar99 said:
    i tried it a little over a year ago on a trip to Indiana.  a friend had some capsules of it that he made from the powder.  I took 4 pills before going to the airport.  I ended up getting extremely disoriented and lost my wallet somewhere in the terminal.  i barely made my flight...maybe be careful with it.
    Maybe immediately prior to going to the airport is not the best time to experiment with new substances..... ;). 
    it's the only way
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    vaggar99 said:
    i tried it a little over a year ago on a trip to Indiana.  a friend had some capsules of it that he made from the powder.  I took 4 pills before going to the airport.  I ended up getting extremely disoriented and lost my wallet somewhere in the terminal.  i barely made my flight...maybe be careful with it.
    Maybe immediately prior to going to the airport is not the best time to experiment with new substances..... ;). 
    Oh, how times have changed.  I knew this guy back in my college days who took a commercial flight back to NYC.  I asked him how the flight went and he said, "It was great.  I smoked a joint in the bathroom after the 'fasten seat belts' sign went off.  It was the best flight I've even been on!"   Well, hey, that was also back in the day when smoking was allowed in the back of the plane.  No shit.
    its even better now with vape pens.  you can smoke in any seat.
    A vape pen will get past security?  Cool, if so, but I'd be surprised!  And if so, I'd still use it in the head just because I wouldn't want somebody freaking out and yelling at me!
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    vaggar99 said:

    oftenreading said:
    vaggar99 said:
    i tried it a little over a year ago on a trip to Indiana.  a friend had some capsules of it that he made from the powder.  I took 4 pills before going to the airport.  I ended up getting extremely disoriented and lost my wallet somewhere in the terminal.  i barely made my flight...maybe be careful with it.
    Maybe immediately prior to going to the airport is not the best time to experiment with new substances..... ;). 
    it's the only way
    Sure! Worked out great for you, right? 
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  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    brianlux said:
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    vaggar99 said:
    i tried it a little over a year ago on a trip to Indiana.  a friend had some capsules of it that he made from the powder.  I took 4 pills before going to the airport.  I ended up getting extremely disoriented and lost my wallet somewhere in the terminal.  i barely made my flight...maybe be careful with it.
    Maybe immediately prior to going to the airport is not the best time to experiment with new substances..... ;). 
    Oh, how times have changed.  I knew this guy back in my college days who took a commercial flight back to NYC.  I asked him how the flight went and he said, "It was great.  I smoked a joint in the bathroom after the 'fasten seat belts' sign went off.  It was the best flight I've even been on!"   Well, hey, that was also back in the day when smoking was allowed in the back of the plane.  No shit.
    its even better now with vape pens.  you can smoke in any seat.
    A vape pen will get past security?  Cool, if so, but I'd be surprised!  And if so, I'd still use it in the head just because I wouldn't want somebody freaking out and yelling at me!
    they've gotten by security on dozens of flights over the last 4 years or so.  and i wouldn't use it in the can...the smoke detectors can be set off by the vapors.  your seat is actually the safest place.  use a jacket or blanket to slowly exhale into...
  • RoleModelsinBlood31RoleModelsinBlood31 Posts: 6,159
    ^ lol.  That’s dedication right there.
    I'm like an opening band for your mom.
  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    edited July 2018
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    ^ lol.  That’s dedication right there.
    i do that rarely.  most flights i take are 3 hours or less, so vaping in the airport bathroom works fine...but on the occasional long haul....well, its sort of the best thing ever..
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,027
    vaggar99 said:
    RoleModelsinBlood31 said:
    ^ lol.  That’s dedication right there.
    i do that rarely.  most flights i take are 3 hours or less, so vaping in the airport bathroom works fine...but on the occasional long haul....well, its sort of the best thing ever..
    Wow- awesome!  :lol:
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    Was reading online today and this article headline caught my eye

    https://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/psychoactive-herb-kratom-on-radar-of-b-c-doctors-and-poison-control-centre

    A bit of info in there for you about local experiences
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  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    I thought airlines banned vaping??

    Give Peas A Chance…
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    So vaping on flights is banned ... one question ... whats the matter with you?  I suspect if your ever caught you risk being charged and possibly banned from flying... Is the reward worth the risk?
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    Meltdown99 said:
    So vaping on flights is banned ... one question ... whats the matter with you?  I suspect if your ever caught you risk being charged and possibly banned from flying... Is the reward worth the risk?
    i don't know. something is definitely the matter with me though
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    vaggar99 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    So vaping on flights is banned ... one question ... whats the matter with you?  I suspect if your ever caught you risk being charged and possibly banned from flying... Is the reward worth the risk?
    i don't know. something is definitely the matter with me though
    It seems that is a risk not worth taking if you depend on flying ... 
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Posts: 12,845
    vaggar99 said:
    Meltdown99 said:
    So vaping on flights is banned ... one question ... whats the matter with you?  I suspect if your ever caught you risk being charged and possibly banned from flying... Is the reward worth the risk?
    i don't know. something is definitely the matter with me though
    If ever there was a time for edibles....
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    What is kratom and is it dangerous?

    https://www.mnn.com/health/fitness-well-being/stories/what-kratom-and-it-dangerous
    Give Peas A Chance…
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,531
    I for one don’t need any other herbs or anything to put me in my comfort zone , I grow my own, smoke my own , make my own butter for edibles make my own tincture & hash with the by product of the plant matter that is not for smoking...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,445
    As someone that flies I think it sucks that you are bringing and using that fire hazard on the plane
    hippiemom = goodness
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,763
    josevolution said:
    I for one don’t need any other herbs or anything to put me in my comfort zone , I grow my own, smoke my own , make my own butter for edibles make my own tincture & hash with the by product of the plant matter that is not for smoking...
    But no guns?
  • tempo_n_groovetempo_n_groove Posts: 40,355
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    vaggar99 said:
    i tried it a little over a year ago on a trip to Indiana.  a friend had some capsules of it that he made from the powder.  I took 4 pills before going to the airport.  I ended up getting extremely disoriented and lost my wallet somewhere in the terminal.  i barely made my flight...maybe be careful with it.
    Maybe immediately prior to going to the airport is not the best time to experiment with new substances..... ;). 
    Oh, how times have changed.  I knew this guy back in my college days who took a commercial flight back to NYC.  I asked him how the flight went and he said, "It was great.  I smoked a joint in the bathroom after the 'fasten seat belts' sign went off.  It was the best flight I've even been on!"   Well, hey, that was also back in the day when smoking was allowed in the back of the plane.  No shit.
    its even better now with vape pens.  you can smoke in any seat.
    You don't do that in a closed area around other people...
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,531
    Bentleyspop said:
    josevolution said:
    I for one don’t need any other herbs or anything to put me in my comfort zone , I grow my own, smoke my own , make my own butter for edibles make my own tincture & hash with the by product of the plant matter that is not for smoking...
    But no guns?
    hell no i don't own any guns why you ask ? 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • vaggar99vaggar99 Posts: 3,427
    edited July 2018
    tempo_n_groove said:
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    vaggar99 said:
    i tried it a little over a year ago on a trip to Indiana.  a friend had some capsules of it that he made from the powder.  I took 4 pills before going to the airport.  I ended up getting extremely disoriented and lost my wallet somewhere in the terminal.  i barely made my flight...maybe be careful with it.
    Maybe immediately prior to going to the airport is not the best time to experiment with new substances..... ;). 
    Oh, how times have changed.  I knew this guy back in my college days who took a commercial flight back to NYC.  I asked him how the flight went and he said, "It was great.  I smoked a joint in the bathroom after the 'fasten seat belts' sign went off.  It was the best flight I've even been on!"   Well, hey, that was also back in the day when smoking was allowed in the back of the plane.  No shit.
    its even better now with vape pens.  you can smoke in any seat.
    You don't do that in a closed area around other people...
    fine, i wont again.  but, explain to me why its a problem.  sure, theres a lithium-ion battery involved which could explode.  but, phones, laptops etc all have bigger batteries that have been known to "explode" on occasion.  there is no smoke, but a fast disappearing vapor.  
    Post edited by vaggar99 on
  • Meltdown99Meltdown99 Posts: 10,739
    vaggar99 said:
    tempo_n_groove said:
    vaggar99 said:
    brianlux said:
    oftenreading said:
    vaggar99 said:
    i tried it a little over a year ago on a trip to Indiana.  a friend had some capsules of it that he made from the powder.  I took 4 pills before going to the airport.  I ended up getting extremely disoriented and lost my wallet somewhere in the terminal.  i barely made my flight...maybe be careful with it.
    Maybe immediately prior to going to the airport is not the best time to experiment with new substances..... ;). 
    Oh, how times have changed.  I knew this guy back in my college days who took a commercial flight back to NYC.  I asked him how the flight went and he said, "It was great.  I smoked a joint in the bathroom after the 'fasten seat belts' sign went off.  It was the best flight I've even been on!"   Well, hey, that was also back in the day when smoking was allowed in the back of the plane.  No shit.
    its even better now with vape pens.  you can smoke in any seat.
    You don't do that in a closed area around other people...
    fine, i wont again.  but, explain to me why its a problem.  sure, theres a lithium-ion battery involved which could explode.  but, phones, laptops etc all have bigger batteries that have been known to "explode" on occasion.  there is no smoke, but a fast disappearing vapor.  
    I just don't want to see you banned from flying ... especially if you flyby lot.
    Give Peas A Chance…
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