Alfie Evans

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Big shocker, no discussion here.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,643
    unsung said:
    Big shocker, no discussion here.
    Tell us how you really feel.
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  • my2hands
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    https://www.cato.org/blog/why-i-think-conservatives-have-alfie-evans-case-all-wrong
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Most people trust and respect medical professionals more than opinion bloggers at Breitbart.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    There was a discussion about this situation when the court issue was active. Now the child has died, which is of course sad, but not sure what else the OP expects should be said about it. Maybe If the OP actually discussed rather than leaving five words, we would know. 
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Maybe the English Government should not have prevented the parents from seeking further treatment with people willing to help.

    But those Palin death squads, well she was right on that one.
  • rgambs
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    :cowboy:
    ^^^
    Just imagine the hat is made of foil.


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  • Bentleyspop
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    rgambs said:
    :cowboy:
    ^^^
    Just imagine the hat is made of foil.


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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    unsung said:
    Maybe the English Government should not have prevented the parents from seeking further treatment with people willing to help.

    But those Palin death squads, well she was right on that one.
    What relevance do you believe an English case has to the American legal and medical systems that would justify your second sentence?
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    But those Palin death squads, well she was right on that one.

    I was looking forward to a response to my question, but since none is forthcoming, I'll expand.

    First, I believe Palin talked of "death panels", not "death squad".

    Second, what precisely did she say about death panels?

    Speaking about the proposed ACA, Palin claimed that the Democrats would cut health care costs by "rationing care", and went on to say:  "And who will suffer the most when they ration care? The sick, the elderly, and the disabled, of course. The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's 'death panel' so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their 'level of productivity in society,' whether they are worthy of health care.

    Of course, time and common sense proved that the ACA did not include any legislative language around death panels, as Palin claimed it did. That means she was not just wrong, but that she lied about it, since she claimed to have seen it in the proposed legislation.

    And given that she was wrong, your statement linking a British court case to a fictitious ACA element is even more wrong.

    Palin's whole claim is even more despicable, though, because it's her party which tries at every turn to limit health care.
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  • unsung
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    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    Maybe the English Government should not have prevented the parents from seeking further treatment with people willing to help.

    But those Palin death squads, well she was right on that one.
    What relevance do you believe an English case has to the American legal and medical systems that would justify your second sentence?
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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    Maybe we didn’t want to use a dead kid for our own political taking point. But since you started the thread, compare infant mortality rates in the countries with single payer healthcare vs the US and we’ll make that the discussion. Because your concern is really about chilren’s healthcare, right?
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    unsung said:
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    Maybe the English Government should not have prevented the parents from seeking further treatment with people willing to help.

    But those Palin death squads, well she was right on that one.
    What relevance do you believe an English case has to the American legal and medical systems that would justify your second sentence?
    Socialism fails.  Over and over.

    Pretty broad and unsubstantiated claim to make, based on one case that doesn't involve "socialism", but rather the British legal system. 

    You do know that the American courts could make the same decision, right? And you do know that the infant mortality rate in the US is almost twice as high as that in the UK, right?

    The "socialist" UK does a far better job at keeping children health and alive than the USA. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    How spectacular that the OP has chosen health care as the topic to try to prove that “socialism” fails, when all data shows that the capitalistic American health care system provides poorer outcomes for much higher cost than any of the socialist European or Canadian health care systems. 

    Are you aware that american life expectancy is dropping? 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    oftenreading said:
    How spectacular that the OP has chosen health care as the topic to try to prove that “socialism” fails, when all data shows that the capitalistic American health care system provides poorer outcomes for much higher cost than any of the socialist European or Canadian health care systems. 

    Are you aware that american life expectancy is dropping? 
    Of course not. Facts have no relevance.
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  • unsung
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    Of course it is.  MOAR McDonalds!
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Of course, no other countries have McDonalds. They’re had such a hard time with market penetration. 
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  • unsung
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    So people are ginormous because our doctors are terrible?

    Or is it because they are stupid?
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Are Americans any more stupid than people in the rest of the world?

    Do you equate the health care system with “doctors”, and equate poor health outcomes with “terrible doctors”? 

    I think there is much you don’t understand about health care. 
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  • OnWis97
    OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,637
    unsung said:
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    Maybe the English Government should not have prevented the parents from seeking further treatment with people willing to help.

    But those Palin death squads, well she was right on that one.
    What relevance do you believe an English case has to the American legal and medical systems that would justify your second sentence?
    Socialism fails.  Over and over.
    Unless it intervenes where the market fails.  You know, military protection, which is not really feasible in a market structure.  I suppose you'd consider most other socialism (education provided even to those from families that can't afford it, USDA regulations that help keep meat safe, resulting in 3 cents more per pound, child labor laws, laws against murder).  There is no black-and-white "socialism."  Everyone is on a continuum somewhere between pure socialism and pure capitalism.  Neither end of the spectrum is practical.  
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  • rgambs
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    OnWis97 said:
    unsung said:
    oftenreading said:
    unsung said:
    Maybe the English Government should not have prevented the parents from seeking further treatment with people willing to help.

    But those Palin death squads, well she was right on that one.
    What relevance do you believe an English case has to the American legal and medical systems that would justify your second sentence?
    Socialism fails.  Over and over.
    Unless it intervenes where the market fails.  You know, military protection, which is not really feasible in a market structure.  I suppose you'd consider most other socialism (education provided even to those from families that can't afford it, USDA regulations that help keep meat safe, resulting in 3 cents more per pound, child labor laws, laws against murder).  There is no black-and-white "socialism."  Everyone is on a continuum somewhere between pure socialism and pure capitalism.  Neither end of the spectrum is practical.  
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