A Change in the Political Landscape

tempo_n_groove

Hearing the younger people speak and their ideals had me thinking that the current leaders aren't listening or just don't get it.

This article on Diane Feinstein shows how the younger generation feels.

https://www.thenation.com/article/dianne-feinstein-isnt-too-old-but-she-is-too-out-of-touch/

I've mentioned before that I think that some of the current leaders are so far off from what people want now that there is going to be a huge political shift.

I see why they love Bernie Sanders and disliked Hillary.

Even coaching in sports are getting younger to appeal to the players.

The old guard is hanging on with a thread.

Thoughts?  Articles?

dankind

They also loved Trump enough to elect him president. They then all adopted his golf course style and murdered someone in a college town. Anybody see the MAGA hat on Nikolas Cruz's Instagram?  

It's only going to get worse.

Here's an article: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/world/americas/western-liberal-democracy.html

It's based on a study by a Harvard lecturer in government and a political scientist at the University of Melbourne, but what do they know? 

josevolution

dankind said:

They also loved Trump enough to elect him president. They then all adopted his golf course style and murdered someone in a college town. Anybody see the MAGA hat on Nikolas Cruz's Instagram?  

It's only going to get worse.

Here's an article: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/world/americas/western-liberal-democracy.html

It's based on a study by a Harvard lecturer in government and a political scientist at the University of Melbourne, but what do they know? 

It’s good to have your passport and one suitcase ready at all times , the orange bafoon is learning all he can from

josevolution

Putin..

JimmyV

These things are cyclical. The younger generation always sees the faults of the generations before it, rises to power, becomes blind to its own faults and then is replaced by the next generation.

tempo_n_groove

JimmyV said:

These things are cyclical. The younger generation always sees the faults of the generations before it, rises to power, becomes blind to its own faults and then is replaced by the next generation.

I view what is going on now as what happened in the 60's.

dankind

tempo_n_groove said:

JimmyV said:

These things are cyclical. The younger generation always sees the faults of the generations before it, rises to power, becomes blind to its own faults and then is replaced by the next generation.

I view what is going on now as what happened in the 60's.

I view it more like what happened in the 1930s -- in Germany.

JimmyV

tempo_n_groove said:

JimmyV said:

These things are cyclical. The younger generation always sees the faults of the generations before it, rises to power, becomes blind to its own faults and then is replaced by the next generation.

I view what is going on now as what happened in the 60's.

I do as well. Nixon was of course far more competent than Trump, which is what makes today seem so much worse.

tempo_n_groove

dankind said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JimmyV said:

These things are cyclical. The younger generation always sees the faults of the generations before it, rises to power, becomes blind to its own faults and then is replaced by the next generation.

I view what is going on now as what happened in the 60's.

I view it more like what happened in the 1930s -- in Germany.

Wait, so the younger democrats ousting people like Hillary and Finestein are like the 30's in Germany?  Please explain @dankind

tempo_n_groove

JimmyV said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JimmyV said:

These things are cyclical. The younger generation always sees the faults of the generations before it, rises to power, becomes blind to its own faults and then is replaced by the next generation.

I view what is going on now as what happened in the 60's.

I do as well. Nixon was of course far more competent than Trump, which is what makes today seem so much worse.

People were wanting someone different, well they got one.

The democrats will have to organize and listen to their fanbase a little more close rather than try and ram a candidate down everyone's throat.

riley540

I think there is a youth movement both in a liberal sense and a libertarian sense. It’s not shows offen in the media but there are huge basis of college aged conservatives as well as liberals. People like Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder are packing college auditoriums. 
I think it’s awesome, young people being involved in current events regardless of view point 

dankind

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

tempo_n_groove said:

JimmyV said:

These things are cyclical. The younger generation always sees the faults of the generations before it, rises to power, becomes blind to its own faults and then is replaced by the next generation.

I view what is going on now as what happened in the 60's.

I view it more like what happened in the 1930s -- in Germany.

Wait, so the younger democrats ousting people like Hillary and Finestein are like the 30's in Germany?  Please explain @dankind

I don't need to explain. The study by those far smarter than I from Harvard University and University of Melbourne does a far better job than I would do. Take a look. Chilling stuff.

dankind

riley540 said:

I think there is a youth movement both in a liberal sense and a libertarian sense. It’s not shows offen in the media but there are huge basis of college aged conservatives as well as liberals. People like Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder are packing college auditoriums. 
I think it’s awesome, young people being involved in current events regardless of view point 

Yeah. They sure did have a ball down in Charlottesville.

JimmyV

To be fair to today's youth, their only real experience has been with a government that in many ways has ceased to function and with an electoral system that utterly failed in 2016. So I can understand questioning whether this particular democratic republic is the best system possible.

riley540

JimmyV said:

To be fair to today's youth, their only real experience has been with a government that in many ways has ceased to function and with an electoral system that utterly failed in 2016. So I can understand questioning whether this particular democratic republic is the best system possible.

JimmyV said:

To be fair to today's youth, their only real experience has been with a government that in many ways has ceased to function and with an electoral system that utterly failed in 2016. So I can understand questioning whether this particular democratic republic is the best system possible.

I’m not a trump supporter, but I don’t see how the electoral system failed? It worked in the way that it always does. 

JimmyV

riley540 said:

JimmyV said:

To be fair to today's youth, their only real experience has been with a government that in many ways has ceased to function and with an electoral system that utterly failed in 2016. So I can understand questioning whether this particular democratic republic is the best system possible.

JimmyV said:

To be fair to today's youth, their only real experience has been with a government that in many ways has ceased to function and with an electoral system that utterly failed in 2016. So I can understand questioning whether this particular democratic republic is the best system possible.

I’m not a trump supporter, but I don’t see how the electoral system failed? It worked in the way that it always does. 

One party nominated a shockingly unqualified businessman while the other party nominated an unpopular career politician who was the subject of a known and active FBI investigation. The election itself saw the clear winner of the popular vote get wiped out in the Electoral College. Maybe the system itself worked, but very few involved can honestly claim they didn't screw it up.

NewJPage

riley540 said:

I think there is a youth movement both in a liberal sense and a libertarian sense. It’s not shows offen in the media but there are huge basis of college aged conservatives as well as liberals. People like Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder are packing college auditoriums. 
I think it’s awesome, young people being involved in current events regardless of view point 

Latest Suffolk poll has 22% of millenials ID as conservative. New generation is quite liberal

Halifax2TheMax

JimmyV said:

riley540 said:

JimmyV said:

To be fair to today's youth, their only real experience has been with a government that in many ways has ceased to function and with an electoral system that utterly failed in 2016. So I can understand questioning whether this particular democratic republic is the best system possible.

JimmyV said:

To be fair to today's youth, their only real experience has been with a government that in many ways has ceased to function and with an electoral system that utterly failed in 2016. So I can understand questioning whether this particular democratic republic is the best system possible.

I’m not a trump supporter, but I don’t see how the electoral system failed? It worked in the way that it always does. 

One party nominated a shockingly unqualified businessman while the other party nominated an unpopular career politician who was the subject of a known and active FBI investigation. The election itself saw the clear winner of the popular vote get wiped out in the Electoral College. Maybe the system itself worked, but very few involved can honestly claim they didn't screw it up.

And one candidate got an assist from Russia.

JimmyV

Halifax2TheMax said:

JimmyV said:

riley540 said:

JimmyV said:

To be fair to today's youth, their only real experience has been with a government that in many ways has ceased to function and with an electoral system that utterly failed in 2016. So I can understand questioning whether this particular democratic republic is the best system possible.

JimmyV said:

To be fair to today's youth, their only real experience has been with a government that in many ways has ceased to function and with an electoral system that utterly failed in 2016. So I can understand questioning whether this particular democratic republic is the best system possible.

I’m not a trump supporter, but I don’t see how the electoral system failed? It worked in the way that it always does. 

One party nominated a shockingly unqualified businessman while the other party nominated an unpopular career politician who was the subject of a known and active FBI investigation. The election itself saw the clear winner of the popular vote get wiped out in the Electoral College. Maybe the system itself worked, but very few involved can honestly claim they didn't screw it up.

And one candidate got an assist from Russia.

Not the point I was making but, sure.

brianlux

tempo_n_groove said:

Hearing the younger people speak and their ideals had me thinking that the current leaders aren't listening or just don't get it.

This article on Diane Feinstein shows how the younger generation feels.

https://www.thenation.com/article/dianne-feinstein-isnt-too-old-but-she-is-too-out-of-touch/

I've mentioned before that I think that some of the current leaders are so far off from what people want now that there is going to be a huge political shift.

I see why they love Bernie Sanders and disliked Hillary.

Even coaching in sports are getting younger to appeal to the players.

The old guard is hanging on with a thread.

Thoughts?  Articles?

Jello had Feinstein figured out almost 40 years ago.  Go to 2:00 in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJy_pT78fTU

tempo_n_groove

dankind said:

They also loved Trump enough to elect him president. They then all adopted his golf course style and murdered someone in a college town. Anybody see the MAGA hat on Nikolas Cruz's Instagram?  

It's only going to get worse.

Here's an article: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/world/americas/western-liberal-democracy.html

It's based on a study by a Harvard lecturer in government and a political scientist at the University of Melbourne, but what do they know? 

I read the article. 

It's basically saying that all the free world and it's democracies are declining and that people actually want a military run system of ruling.

That is just crazy.

Most of the people that are fleeing their war torn countries want that?

Most of the people that live here want to live in a police state?

Again, that is just crazy!

tempo_n_groove

brianlux said:

tempo_n_groove said:

Hearing the younger people speak and their ideals had me thinking that the current leaders aren't listening or just don't get it.

This article on Diane Feinstein shows how the younger generation feels.

https://www.thenation.com/article/dianne-feinstein-isnt-too-old-but-she-is-too-out-of-touch/

I've mentioned before that I think that some of the current leaders are so far off from what people want now that there is going to be a huge political shift.

I see why they love Bernie Sanders and disliked Hillary.

Even coaching in sports are getting younger to appeal to the players.

The old guard is hanging on with a thread.

Thoughts?  Articles?

Jello had Feinstein figured out almost 40 years ago.  Go to 2:00 in the video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mJy_pT78fTU

I used to love Biafra but he decided to just point out problems and not offer solutions.  He is still a person that I'd like to chat with for a few hours.

dankind

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

They also loved Trump enough to elect him president. They then all adopted his golf course style and murdered someone in a college town. Anybody see the MAGA hat on Nikolas Cruz's Instagram?  

It's only going to get worse.

Here's an article: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/world/americas/western-liberal-democracy.html

It's based on a study by a Harvard lecturer in government and a political scientist at the University of Melbourne, but what do they know? 

I read the article. 

It's basically saying that all the free world and it's democracies are declining and that people actually want a military run system of ruling.

That is just crazy.

Most of the people that are fleeing their war torn countries want that?

Most of the people that live here want to live in a police state?

Again, that is just crazy!

The article/study isn’t saying that; the people themselves are saying that. I agree with you that it’s crazy. It’s also a very plausible future. Autocratic and nationalist politicians are gaining popularity in democratic nations. 

tempo_n_groove

dankind said:

tempo_n_groove said:

dankind said:

They also loved Trump enough to elect him president. They then all adopted his golf course style and murdered someone in a college town. Anybody see the MAGA hat on Nikolas Cruz's Instagram?  

It's only going to get worse.

Here's an article: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/29/world/americas/western-liberal-democracy.html

It's based on a study by a Harvard lecturer in government and a political scientist at the University of Melbourne, but what do they know? 

I read the article. 

It's basically saying that all the free world and it's democracies are declining and that people actually want a military run system of ruling.

That is just crazy.

Most of the people that are fleeing their war torn countries want that?

Most of the people that live here want to live in a police state?

Again, that is just crazy!

The article/study isn’t saying that; the people themselves are saying that. I agree with you that it’s crazy. It’s also a very plausible future. Autocratic and nationalist politicians are gaining popularity in democratic nations. 

Have you ever watched "the decline of western civilization"?!?

dignin

New Survey Shows Young People Are Staying Liberal and Conservatives Are Dying Off

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/new-survey-young-staying-liberal-conservatives-dying-off.html

brianlux

dignin said:

New Survey Shows Young People Are Staying Liberal and Conservatives Are Dying Off

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/new-survey-young-staying-liberal-conservatives-dying-off.html

That's pretty much what my baby boomer generation was saying in the 60's.  We were going to change the world!  We were going to end war and stop being greedy and end racism and "give peace a chance", etc. etc. 

But then we (the generation, not me) got married and had kids and bought houses and started careers, etc., and so, so much of all that idealism went by the way side.  And yeah, sure, to some degree that is understandable but in my opinion, not totally without due criticism.  I personally stand by my belief that my generation dropped the ball.  We had the momentum and didn't keep it going.  And I'm not saying we should have just been knee jerk liberals or reject any and everything conservative, but because so many boomers essentially fell asleep on political and social issues or simply voted party line and stopped analyzing, thinking critically and taking a stand, we let the door swing wide open to the neo-conservative backlash that eventually led to the election of a man so unworthy of the office of president as to literally make a joke of that office (yeah, sorry guys, it wasn't just the Russians fault.  Guess who didn't show up at the voting booths?).

So as much as I often feel hopeful in seeing the youth of today speaking up and taking a stand, I can't help but wonder if they too will drop the ball?  Time will well.  

benjs

JimmyV said:

riley540 said:

JimmyV said:

To be fair to today's youth, their only real experience has been with a government that in many ways has ceased to function and with an electoral system that utterly failed in 2016. So I can understand questioning whether this particular democratic republic is the best system possible.

JimmyV said:

To be fair to today's youth, their only real experience has been with a government that in many ways has ceased to function and with an electoral system that utterly failed in 2016. So I can understand questioning whether this particular democratic republic is the best system possible.

I’m not a trump supporter, but I don’t see how the electoral system failed? It worked in the way that it always does. 

One party nominated a shockingly unqualified businessman while the other party nominated an unpopular career politician who was the subject of a known and active FBI investigation. The election itself saw the clear winner of the popular vote get wiped out in the Electoral College. Maybe the system itself worked, but very few involved can honestly claim they didn't screw it up.

Jimmy, you may like this book. I’m not through more than 30% of it, but the focus right now is on how most democracies do have some form of proportional representation to get from multi-million citizenry to tens of hundreds of elected government officials. The book posits that the danger to democracy in the Western world, is that the former gatekeeping functions of political parties have been diminished or abused for unsustainable partisan gain, leaving the potential for autocrats or profit-driven politicians as the norm. All really fascinating stuff and I’d highly recommend it, agree with it or not! 

https://books.google.ca/books/about/How_Democracies_Die.html?id=GmkwDwAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en

NewJPage

brianlux said:

dignin said:

New Survey Shows Young People Are Staying Liberal and Conservatives Are Dying Off

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/new-survey-young-staying-liberal-conservatives-dying-off.html

That's pretty much what my baby boomer generation was saying in the 60's.  We were going to change the world!  We were going to end war and stop being greedy and end racism and "give peace a chance", etc. etc. 

But then we (the generation, not me) got married and had kids and bought houses and started careers, etc., and so, so much of all that idealism went by the way side.  And yeah, sure, to some degree that is understandable but in my opinion, not totally without due criticism.  I personally stand by my belief that my generation dropped the ball.  We had the momentum and didn't keep it going.  And I'm not saying we should have just been knee jerk liberals or reject any and everything conservative, but because so many boomers essentially fell asleep on political and social issues or simply voted party line and stopped analyzing, thinking critically and taking a stand, we let the door swing wide open to the neo-conservative backlash that eventually led to the election of a man so unworthy of the office of president as to literally make a joke of that office (yeah, sorry guys, it wasn't just the Russians fault.  Guess who didn't show up at the voting booths?).

So as much as I often feel hopeful in seeing the youth of today speaking up and taking a stand, I can't help but wonder if they too will drop the ball?  Time will well.  

Maybe it seemed like that, but for every kid at Woodstock there were many more that sneered at it. The 60s was the end of the liberal consensus and the beginning of the rise of conservatism.

JimmyV

benjs said:

JimmyV said:

riley540 said:

JimmyV said:

To be fair to today's youth, their only real experience has been with a government that in many ways has ceased to function and with an electoral system that utterly failed in 2016. So I can understand questioning whether this particular democratic republic is the best system possible.

JimmyV said:

To be fair to today's youth, their only real experience has been with a government that in many ways has ceased to function and with an electoral system that utterly failed in 2016. So I can understand questioning whether this particular democratic republic is the best system possible.

I’m not a trump supporter, but I don’t see how the electoral system failed? It worked in the way that it always does. 

One party nominated a shockingly unqualified businessman while the other party nominated an unpopular career politician who was the subject of a known and active FBI investigation. The election itself saw the clear winner of the popular vote get wiped out in the Electoral College. Maybe the system itself worked, but very few involved can honestly claim they didn't screw it up.

Jimmy, you may like this book. I’m not through more than 30% of it, but the focus right now is on how most democracies do have some form of proportional representation to get from multi-million citizenry to tens of hundreds of elected government officials. The book posits that the danger to democracy in the Western world, is that the former gatekeeping functions of political parties have been diminished or abused for unsustainable partisan gain, leaving the potential for autocrats or profit-driven politicians as the norm. All really fascinating stuff and I’d highly recommend it, agree with it or not! 

https://books.google.ca/books/about/How_Democracies_Die.html?id=GmkwDwAAQBAJ&redir_esc=y&hl=en

Thanks, man. I'll check it out.