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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,995
    Bentleyspop said:
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    And definitely a cultural difference!
    Oh, yes, nurses visiting homes to help and inform new mothers is fairly normal here and in Europe as well. It's really too bad it's not more common in America. Mind you, while it's part of regular healthcare in certain European countries, it's not at all a given in Canada. I know plenty of moms who don't do it and don't want it. One needs to make arrangements for that kind of thing, and seek out the service and pay for it (though it could be at least partially covered by extended healthcare plans).

    A free visit home visit by a public health nurse is available to all newborn babies in BC when they come home (assuming you don't live in the middle of nowhere), or the parent can choose to take the baby to a public health unit instead. 
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mcgruff10 said:
    oftenreading said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    My kids don’t get proper care because they weren’t asked about firearms. That’s a good one lol. 
    No, not getting proper care because of all the things I mentioned that you guys say you weren’t asked about - car seats, choking hazards, access to toxins. It’s hard to believe those things aren’t discussed in the usual well baby/child visits. 
    We had an initial car seat check when leaving the hospital but the rest is common sense. I m not understanding how the us medical field is terrible because a doctor didn’t tell me to put all toxins and medication out of reach.
    That’s not why it’s terrible, but it’s a symptom of how it’s terrible. The American medical system, if you can call it that, does not prioritize preventive measures that would improve overall health. Instead, your insurance system focuses on dealing with problems after they occur. The US spends more on health care than any other developed nation and yet your health outcomes are terrible. For instance, the USA is the only developed nation in which maternal death rate has been RISING steadily, while it drops in every other developed nation. It’s now three times higher than any of those nations. That’s just one example. Another is the American child mortality rate - it’s the worst (ie highest) in the 20 richest nation. Of course, a big chunk of that is firearms deaths; some of the rest is automobile accidents (that’s why doctors should ask about car seats) and poisonings (that’s why doctors should ask about medication and chemical storage). It’s very strange to me that this is strange to you, but it’s indicative of your system. 
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,540
    Back on topic kids getting gun down in schools is only an American problem can someone show me when a school massacre has happened in any other country? I thought so !
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    edited July 2018
    josevolution said:
    Back on topic kids getting gun down in schools is only an American problem can someone show me when a school massacre has happened in any other country? I thought so !
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting

    (A vert unsing-kind of response I know. Your point still stands)
    Post edited by Spiritual_Chaos on
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    josevolution said:
    Back on topic kids getting gun down in schools is only an American problem can someone show me when a school massacre has happened in any other country? I thought so !
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting

    (A vert unsing-kind of response I know. Your point still stands)
    Also in Finland:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting
  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    josevolution said:
    Back on topic kids getting gun down in schools is only an American problem can someone show me when a school massacre has happened in any other country? I thought so !
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting

    (A vert unsing-kind of response I know. Your point still stands)
    Also in Finland:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting
    But the one you posted was at a university.. I picked another on because of jose mentioning "kids".

    But whatever.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    josevolution said:
    Back on topic kids getting gun down in schools is only an American problem can someone show me when a school massacre has happened in any other country? I thought so !
    Very rare indeed elsewhere, though not unknown. Here’s to school shootings becoming much rarer in the US. 
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  • PJPOWER
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    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJPOWER said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    josevolution said:
    Back on topic kids getting gun down in schools is only an American problem can someone show me when a school massacre has happened in any other country? I thought so !
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jokela_school_shooting

    (A vert unsing-kind of response I know. Your point still stands)
    Also in Finland:
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kauhajoki_school_shooting
    But the one you posted was at a university.. I picked another on because of jose mentioning "kids".

    But whatever.
    Right on, I just ran across it right after reading your post.

  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    josevolution said:
    Back on topic kids getting gun down in schools is only an American problem can someone show me when a school massacre has happened in any other country? I thought so !

    I know what you're getting at, Jose, but personally I believe that talking about public health is on topic. Gun deaths in general, including school shootings in particular, are a major cause of mortality in the US that far outstrips most of the rest of the world. Many writers and researchers on this topic think that progress would be made if the US started to deal with shootings as a public health issue, and applied multi-pronged techniques that have been helpful in other major public health areas, like reducing automobile accidents.
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    unsung said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    stuckinline said:
    josevolution said:
    Yeah we should keep the kids safe keep the movement alive don’t loose focus , thanks all for keeping this thread going ..
    Jose, thank you for bumping this thread.
    School will be starting soon.
    Hopefully, it will be a peaceful year for all.

    Serious question: do you guys think you can go one school year without a major incident?
    Considering over 90% of mass shootings occur in gun free zones unfortunately no.
    That stat is based on manipulated and controversial data based on a definition of "gun-free zones" that is not accepted by many. Just an FYI for others, in case they're new here and decide to take what you post at face value and not do their own research.
    Manipulated based on the definition of gun free zones?  These were FBI statistics.

    So is the President treasonous because the FBI is to be believed except for when it comes to gun stats?  Your side can't keep up with the excuses.

    Oh wow, Unsung.

    Speaking of your side unable to keep up with the excuses... 'your side' has never successfully refuted the damning statistics exclusive to the US which renders 'your side's' argument to drool.

    Come on, man. It boils down to this: there are zero good reasons to maintain the status quo in the US with regards to its horrendous gun ownership problems. Not one good reason. Nope. Not even one. The only reason it is maintained is for the simple fact that people love shootin' shit... they don't want anyone interfering with their ability to shoot shit... and there are gun companies with politicians stuffed in their back pockets that make money off people that love shootin' shit. 

    You're probably going to counter what I've said with some goofy comment about a document that was prepared centuries ago and talk about rights, but let's get serious... as much as your country clings to that thing... it was in need of serious revision a looooooong time ago.

    If the nomadic cave people had created a constitution and painted on walls that no cave people were allowed to wander out after dark given the threat of saber tooth tigers... would you adhere to that? 
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,995
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    unsung said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    stuckinline said:
    josevolution said:
    Yeah we should keep the kids safe keep the movement alive don’t loose focus , thanks all for keeping this thread going ..
    Jose, thank you for bumping this thread.
    School will be starting soon.
    Hopefully, it will be a peaceful year for all.

    Serious question: do you guys think you can go one school year without a major incident?
    Considering over 90% of mass shootings occur in gun free zones unfortunately no.
    That stat is based on manipulated and controversial data based on a definition of "gun-free zones" that is not accepted by many. Just an FYI for others, in case they're new here and decide to take what you post at face value and not do their own research.
    Manipulated based on the definition of gun free zones?  These were FBI statistics.

    So is the President treasonous because the FBI is to be believed except for when it comes to gun stats?  Your side can't keep up with the excuses.

    Oh wow, Unsung.

    Speaking of your side unable to keep up with the excuses... 'your side' has never successfully refuted the damning statistics exclusive to the US which renders 'your side's' argument to drool.

    Come on, man. It boils down to this: there are zero good reasons to maintain the status quo in the US with regards to its horrendous gun ownership problems. Not one good reason. Nope. Not even one. The only reason it is maintained is for the simple fact that people love shootin' shit... they don't want anyone interfering with their ability to shoot shit... and there are gun companies with politicians stuffed in their back pockets that make money off people that love shootin' shit. 

    You're probably going to counter what I've said with some goofy comment about a document that was prepared centuries ago and talk about rights, but let's get serious... as much as your country clings to that thing... it was in need of serious revision a looooooong time ago.

    If the nomadic cave people had created a constitution and painted on walls that no cave people were allowed to wander out after dark given the threat of saber tooth tigers... would you adhere to that? 
    Don’t forget Russia. Russia enabled the NRA. Traitors.
     
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,652
    edited July 2018
    dignin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    And definitely a cultural difference!
    Oh, yes, nurses visiting homes to help and inform new mothers is fairly normal here and in Europe as well. It's really too bad it's not more common in America. Mind you, while it's part of regular healthcare in certain European countries, it's not at all a given in Canada. I know plenty of moms who don't do it and don't want it. One needs to make arrangements for that kind of thing, and seek out the service and pay for it (though it could be at least partially covered by extended healthcare plans).
    Not here in Alberta. They visit every new mother and baby, no cost.
    Oh really? I didn't know that - that's good! (and to be honest, I was speaking from pretty damn old info... it's possible that BC has changed for the better with this in recent years. Since I'm not having kids I'm not going to bother looking it up). America should get on board with this concept, especially since parents/new mothers are struggling more and more for various reasons.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJ_Soul said:
    dignin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    And definitely a cultural difference!
    Oh, yes, nurses visiting homes to help and inform new mothers is fairly normal here and in Europe as well. It's really too bad it's not more common in America. Mind you, while it's part of regular healthcare in certain European countries, it's not at all a given in Canada. I know plenty of moms who don't do it and don't want it. One needs to make arrangements for that kind of thing, and seek out the service and pay for it (though it could be at least partially covered by extended healthcare plans).
    Not here in Alberta. They visit every new mother and baby, no cost.
    Oh really? I didn't know that - that's good! (and to be honest, I was speaking from pretty damn old info... it's possible that BC has changed for the better with this in recent years. Since I'm not having kids I'm not going to bother looking it up). America should get on board with this concept, especially since parents/new mothers are struggling more and more for various reasons.
    Yes, BC does this too 
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,652
    oftenreading said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    dignin said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    mcgruff10 said:
    And definitely a cultural difference!
    Oh, yes, nurses visiting homes to help and inform new mothers is fairly normal here and in Europe as well. It's really too bad it's not more common in America. Mind you, while it's part of regular healthcare in certain European countries, it's not at all a given in Canada. I know plenty of moms who don't do it and don't want it. One needs to make arrangements for that kind of thing, and seek out the service and pay for it (though it could be at least partially covered by extended healthcare plans).
    Not here in Alberta. They visit every new mother and baby, no cost.
    Oh really? I didn't know that - that's good! (and to be honest, I was speaking from pretty damn old info... it's possible that BC has changed for the better with this in recent years. Since I'm not having kids I'm not going to bother looking it up). America should get on board with this concept, especially since parents/new mothers are struggling more and more for various reasons.
    Yes, BC does this too 
    That is good.
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  • cincybearcat
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    unsung said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    unsung said:
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
    stuckinline said:
    josevolution said:
    Yeah we should keep the kids safe keep the movement alive don’t loose focus , thanks all for keeping this thread going ..
    Jose, thank you for bumping this thread.
    School will be starting soon.
    Hopefully, it will be a peaceful year for all.

    Serious question: do you guys think you can go one school year without a major incident?
    Considering over 90% of mass shootings occur in gun free zones unfortunately no.
    That stat is based on manipulated and controversial data based on a definition of "gun-free zones" that is not accepted by many. Just an FYI for others, in case they're new here and decide to take what you post at face value and not do their own research.
    Manipulated based on the definition of gun free zones?  These were FBI statistics.

    So is the President treasonous because the FBI is to be believed except for when it comes to gun stats?  Your side can't keep up with the excuses.
    You are right. It shows how dangerous that 10% left is in that the guns are brought from there. Thank you for pointing that out, if we can tackle that remaining 10% we just might not have have 10 year olds killed in school next year.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,540
    oftenreading said:
    josevolution said:
    Back on topic kids getting gun down in schools is only an American problem can someone show me when a school massacre has happened in any other country? I thought so !

    I know what you're getting at, Jose, but personally I believe that talking about public health is on topic. Gun deaths in general, including school shootings in particular, are a major cause of mortality in the US that far outstrips most of the rest of the world. Many writers and researchers on this topic think that progress would be made if the US started to deal with shootings as a public health issue, and applied multi-pronged techniques that have been helpful in other major public health areas, like reducing automobile accidents.
    Agreed ...
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  • josevolution
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    Good morning my daily bump for the kids vision hoping they don’t stop , I’ve never needed a gun/weapons of any kind in my 57 yrs living here ! 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,446
    josevolution said:
    Good morning my daily bump for the kids vision hoping they don’t stop , I’ve never needed a gun/weapons of any kind in my 57 yrs living here ! 
    Only time I need a gun is when owning people in GoldenEye 64.
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  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,540
    The father of two Parkland school shooting survivors is shot and killed during a robbery - CNN https://apple.news/AqP51gVFqTEKPmdytNpH
    horrible news !
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