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Gtilley8 · February 2018

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

That's "amateur?" 15k?

Saltzy23 · February 2018

Gtilley8 said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

That's "amateur?" 15k?

Gross.

Net is probably like $4k-$5k maybe.

Again, I have 4 full season tickets to a MLB team. There is only one of me, meaning I have a lot of inventory to unload every season.

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan · February 2018

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

Sounds like quite the contradiction. So its cool to scalp Pearl Jam fans as long as its not with 10C tickets? I don't understand that one. I'm not sure if you are aware but Stubhub sells mobile tickets. They have been selling them for a while. They use email addresses to transfer mobile tickets from one user to another. No hand holding necessary.

PJ_Soul · February 2018

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

Scalping is an immoral and unscrupulous activity no matter what tickets they are.... nothing anyone can do about it if the scalper is doing it legally. Of course that doesn't mean we can't have a profound disrespect for anyone who does it either way. And I would never expect a scalper to give a shit if people think they're creeps for partaking in such a seedy business.

riley540 · February 2018

Ticket Master owns stub hub, Pearl Jam works with ticket master...

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan · February 2018

PJ_Soul said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

Scalping is an immoral and unscrupulous activity no matter what tickets they are.... nothing anyone can do about it if the scalper is doing it legally. Of course that doesn't mean we can't have a profound disrespect for anyone who does it either way. And I would never expect a scalper to give a shit if people think they're creeps for partaking in such a seedy business.

Right. But we are supposed to believe that the immoral scalper somehow becomes moral when it comes to 10C tickets...lol

Saltzy23 · February 2018

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

Sounds like quite the contradiction. So its cool to scalp Pearl Jam fans as long as its not with 10C tickets? I don't understand that one. I'm not sure if you are aware but Stubhub sells mobile tickets. They have been selling them for a while. They use email addresses to transfer mobile tickets from one user to another. No hand holding necessary.

I have never sold any PJ tickets for over face value, ever. Irregardless of how I was able to get them.

I do love the scarlet letter that you get by admitting that you sell/have sold tickets for over face value.

Again, it's literally Stubhub's entire business model, and this is America.

They are commodity just like anything else. I do the same thing with stocks and yet no one seems to think that is wrong, but if you sell tickets you are a scumag.

I have never got that, and never will.

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan · February 2018

riley540 said:

Ticket Master owns stub hub, Pearl Jam works with ticket master...

Wrong. That's like saying McDonalds owns Burger King.

Saltzy23 · February 2018

PJ_Soul said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

Scalping is an immoral and unscrupulous activity no matter what tickets they are.... nothing anyone can do about it if the scalper is doing it legally. Of course that doesn't mean we can't have a profound disrespect for anyone who does it either way. And I would never expect a scalper to give a shit if people think they're creeps for partaking in such a seedy business.

I drop $11k on my baseball tickets every year. Most of them are worth less than I paid for them or are unused, so I compensate by selling the premo games for a profit. I guess that males me a creep.

Zod · February 2018

PJ_Soul said:

Scalping is an immoral and unscrupulous activity no matter what tickets they are.... nothing anyone can do about it if the scalper is doing it legally. Of course that doesn't mean we can't have a profound disrespect for anyone who does it either way. And I would never expect a scalper to give a shit if people think they're creeps for partaking in such a seedy business.

I'm not sure if I consider it immoral. All it is, is an arbitrage opportunity. A good is sold for below its market value, which creates an opportunity for someone to come in, but below its market value, and resell it at its market value.

I loathe scalpers, brokers, and the tactics they use, but only because it's for something I really like. If it was any other good being bought below cost, and then resold at it's market value, most people wouldn't blink.

Saltzy23 · February 2018

I have had this debate more times that I even can remember.

People that try and dime systems to get their hands on tickets just so they can get fans to pay over face are 'seedy' I guess, although as a staunch free market capitalist I am kind of OK with it, as long as it's literally not in the rules for buying the tickets to begin with, like the 10C.

In general though, people totally ignore the other side of the coin where someone laid out a bunch of money in advance for bulk tickets and mitigate the costs by selling some of the higher demand ones for over face value.

elvistheking44 · February 2018

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

F you made 15k selling tickets, profit....you are 100% the problem. Buying and selling here and there, ok, but 15k in your pocket?

PJ_Soul · February 2018

Zod said:

PJ_Soul said:

Scalping is an immoral and unscrupulous activity no matter what tickets they are.... nothing anyone can do about it if the scalper is doing it legally. Of course that doesn't mean we can't have a profound disrespect for anyone who does it either way. And I would never expect a scalper to give a shit if people think they're creeps for partaking in such a seedy business.

I'm not sure if I consider it immoral. All it is, is an arbitrage opportunity. A good is sold for below its market value, which creates an opportunity for someone to come in, but below its market value, and resell it at its market value.

I loathe scalpers, brokers, and the tactics they use, but only because it's for something I really like. If it was any other good being bought below cost, and then resold at it's market value, most people wouldn't blink.

I can only speak for myself on that, but I think it's immoral to flip any kinds of goods. I definitely blink if I know someone is, say, buying something on sale and then turning around and selling it for 3 times its value. I know it's legal, but I still think it's a shitty way to take advantage of people. It's so opportunistic, and I don't go for that in any case. The world would be a much better place if people weren't like that.

tbergs · February 2018

Saltzy23 said:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

Sounds like quite the contradiction. So its cool to scalp Pearl Jam fans as long as its not with 10C tickets? I don't understand that one. I'm not sure if you are aware but Stubhub sells mobile tickets. They have been selling them for a while. They use email addresses to transfer mobile tickets from one user to another. No hand holding necessary.

I have never sold any PJ tickets for over face value, ever. Irregardless of how I was able to get them.
I do love the scarlet letter that you get by admitting that you sell/have sold tickets for over face value.
Again, it's literally Stubhub's entire business model, and this is America.
They are commodity just like anything else. I do the same thing with stocks and yet no one seems to think that is wrong, but if you sell tickets you are a scumag.
I have never got that, and never will.

You've made that clear. If the mindset is greed then that's something each individual needs to make a decision on if it's worth it to them as a person. No one forces you to buy 4 season tickets either, just like no one forces anyone to buy them from you for above market value. When you buy out the market and then jack up the cost because you alone have that supply, that's not selling someone a good for the fair cost. Would I love to make an extra 5k reselling tickets or anything above face? Definitely, but it only feeds the problems of our already fucked up system that rewards and enables greed. I too have resold tickets I couldn't use on Stubhub, but I sell them at face. Yeah, Stubhub adds their fee, but I can't control that. And the green disease lives on!

PJ_Soul · February 2018

Btw, it's not like the ticket buyers aren't guilty in all this. They are just as culpable when they purchase tix on the secondary market. They are, at the end of the day, the real problem and are the ones who ultimately screw us all over in their desire to get what they want no matter what. The sellers wouldn't do it if the fans wouldn't buy it. That is why I encourage ALL fans to not buy marked up tickets, ever. I think missing shows is worth not supporting this terrible kind of business.

tbergs · February 2018

PJ_Soul said:

Zod said:

PJ_Soul said:

Scalping is an immoral and unscrupulous activity no matter what tickets they are.... nothing anyone can do about it if the scalper is doing it legally. Of course that doesn't mean we can't have a profound disrespect for anyone who does it either way. And I would never expect a scalper to give a shit if people think they're creeps for partaking in such a seedy business.

I'm not sure if I consider it immoral. All it is, is an arbitrage opportunity. A good is sold for below its market value, which creates an opportunity for someone to come in, but below its market value, and resell it at its market value.

I loathe scalpers, brokers, and the tactics they use, but only because it's for something I really like. If it was any other good being bought below cost, and then resold at it's market value, most people wouldn't blink.

I can only speak for myself on that, but I think it's immoral to flip any kinds of goods. I definitely blink if I know someone is, say, buying something on sale and then turning around and selling it for 3 times its value. I know it's legal, but I still think it's a shitty way to take advantage of people. It's so opportunistic, and I don't go for that in any case. The world would be a much better place if people weren't like that.

I'm with you PJ. It amazes me how many people are ok with this, but it shouldn't be surprising because it's the world we live in.

Saltzy23 · February 2018

tbergs said:

Saltzy23 said:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

Sounds like quite the contradiction. So its cool to scalp Pearl Jam fans as long as its not with 10C tickets? I don't understand that one. I'm not sure if you are aware but Stubhub sells mobile tickets. They have been selling them for a while. They use email addresses to transfer mobile tickets from one user to another. No hand holding necessary.

I have never sold any PJ tickets for over face value, ever. Irregardless of how I was able to get them.
I do love the scarlet letter that you get by admitting that you sell/have sold tickets for over face value.
Again, it's literally Stubhub's entire business model, and this is America.
They are commodity just like anything else. I do the same thing with stocks and yet no one seems to think that is wrong, but if you sell tickets you are a scumag.
I have never got that, and never will.

You've made that clear. If the mindset is greed then that's something each individual needs to make a decision on if it's worth it to them as a person. No one forces you to buy 4 season tickets either, just like no one forces anyone to buy them from you for above market value. When you buy out the market and then jack up the cost because you alone have that supply, that's not selling someone a good for the fair cost. Would I love to make an extra 5k reselling tickets or anything above face? Definitely, but it only feeds the problems of our already fucked up system that rewards and enables greed. I too have resold tickets I couldn't use on Stubhub, but I sell them at face. Yeah, Stubhub adds their fee, but I can't control that. And the green disease lives on!

My online account that stores my baseball e-tickets from the team that allows me to forward, print, etc. also has a 'Sell on StubHub' dropdown that links directly to Stubhub and automatically loads everything so you can list the tickets in like 4 clicks.

The season ticket holder book actually says, 'It's a great way to sell your extra tickets and mitigate the costs of the tickets.'

Stubhub is the actual approved 3rd party vendor for most MLB teams.

What scumbags!

tempo_n_groove · February 2018

elvistheking44 said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

F you made 15k selling tickets, profit....you are 100% the problem. Buying and selling here and there, ok, but 15k in your pocket?

This is only a problem if you buy the tickets.

Don't buy the tickets.

I don't by secondhand tickets over face. Never have and never will.

jpdannabelle · February 2018

PJ_Soul said:

Btw, it's not like the ticket buyers aren't guilty in all this. They are just as culpable when they purchase tix on the secondary market. They are, at the end of the day, the real problem and are the ones who ultimately screw us all over in their desire to get what they want no matter what. The sellers wouldn't do it if the fans wouldn't buy it. That is why I encourage ALL fans to not buy marked up tickets, ever. I think missing shows is worth not supporting this terrible kind of business.

Hard to blame the fans. I’m guilty of buying from a scapler. I’ve spent $400 on one ticket to go see PJ when I couldn’t get a ticket anywhere else. I wanted a primo seat and I paid for it. Nobody says scalpers are killing babies, they’ll always be around if people are willing to pay them. The real issue here is a 10c member had a GA ticket for sale on StubHub. Those tickets are meant for fans and are not meant for making money off of.

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan · February 2018

Saltzy23 said:

P-Town-P-Jam-Fan said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

jpdannabelle said:

Saltzy23 said:

You guys are missing the point.
Unless Stubhub is literally going to facilitate the seller either obtaining the cell number of the buyer so they can transfer the extra through the 10C system, or act as a middle man to send them a screen grab of it or something selling extra 10C tickets on Stubhub the way they are being distributed for this tour is impossible.
There are still other ways to try and dime the system, like Craigslist or whatever, but I am not seeing how anyone can get their extra from Point A to Point B using Stubhub as the service provider.

Not sure StubHub would even care where the ticket comes from. As long as the ticket is legit, they’re making a percentage on the sale and that’s all they care about. If someone is willing to pay for it, they’ll buy the ticket and when the 10c member gets their tickets they’ll get the phone number from the buyer and transfer the ticket. It seems pretty simple. Maybe I’m missing something. At the end of the day it’s not illegal, it just goes against 10c rules so really all the seller is risking is their membership if they even care about it or not.

No. They won't. It's not how it fucking works.
I'm not trying to sound like a know it all dickhead here, but I made like $15k selling tickets on Stubhub last year, and I kinda know it all.
Stubhub is a huge global ticketing service. They are not going to start acting like a middle man (to assist in selling tickets that shouldn't even be sold) to manually hand hold 2 people being able to coordinate on how to transfer a ticket from one mobile phone to another, which won't even be accessible for like 5 more months.
Just go with me here.

You might be part of the problem

Of free market laisse faire capitalism? Sure.
It's LITERALLY Stubhub's entire business model.
As stated, I have never sold any 10C seats on Stubhub ever, nor will I.
Everything else is fair game.

Sounds like quite the contradiction. So its cool to scalp Pearl Jam fans as long as its not with 10C tickets? I don't understand that one. I'm not sure if you are aware but Stubhub sells mobile tickets. They have been selling them for a while. They use email addresses to transfer mobile tickets from one user to another. No hand holding necessary.

I have never sold any PJ tickets for over face value, ever. Irregardless of how I was able to get them.
I do love the scarlet letter that you get by admitting that you sell/have sold tickets for over face value.
Again, it's literally Stubhub's entire business model, and this is America.
They are commodity just like anything else. I do the same thing with stocks and yet no one seems to think that is wrong, but if you sell tickets you are a scumag.
I have never got that, and never will.

PJ_Soul said:

I think missing shows is worth not supporting this terrible kind of business.

That's where you might be on an island. Sounds like a lot of idealism. I buy tickets above, below, and at face value. If you are wealthy and time is money (this is not me, but just saying) you can't camp out on ticketmaster trying to buy tickets in a rigged system. You just go to the secondary market and spend whatever amount of money you want to spend to sit where you want to sit. Sitting out shows to be a moralist is not something i'm willing to do. Its just the way the world goes round. Blame it on the rich.

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