Guys, Brady threw for 505 yards and three touchdowns last night. He did that against the now World Champions. If you think he's not the GOAT, that's your choice. Have at it. It's not a point I'd really argue because it is so subjective. But if you think you got some new reason to point to as to why you think he's not the GOAT, know that you are abandoning even the pretense of credibility.
Guys, Brady threw for 505 yards and three touchdowns last night. He did that against the now World Champions. If you think he's not the GOAT, that's your choice. Have at it. It's not a point I'd really argue because it is so subjective. But if you think you got some new reason to point to as to why you think he's not the GOAT, know that you are abandoning even the pretense of credibility.
Guys, Brady threw for 505 yards and three touchdowns last night. He did that against the now World Champions. If you think he's not the GOAT, that's your choice. Have at it. It's not a point I'd really argue because it is so subjective. But if you think you got some new reason to point to as to why you think he's not the GOAT, know that you are abandoning even the pretense of credibility.
Its undisputed that Brady is the best of his generation. But the GOAT argument is pointless. You can’t compare players from different eras who played under different conditions and different rules.
No one knows how many Super Bowls a guy like Joe Montana and the 49ers would have won if passing friendly rules and advancements in nutrition and conditioning were around in the 80s. Or guys in the 50s and 60s who had to work regular jobs in the offseason to make ends meet.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
Guys, Brady threw for 505 yards and three touchdowns last night. He did that against the now World Champions. If you think he's not the GOAT, that's your choice. Have at it. It's not a point I'd really argue because it is so subjective. But if you think you got some new reason to point to as to why you think he's not the GOAT, know that you are abandoning even the pretense of credibility.
Its undisputed that Brady is the best of his generation. But the GOAT argument is pointless. You can’t compare players from different eras who played under different conditions and different rules.
No one knows how many Super Bowls a guy like Joe Montana and the 49ers would have won if passing friendly rules and advancements in nutrition and conditioning were around in the 80s. Or guys in the 50s and 60s who had to work regular jobs in the offseason to make ends meet.
That's why I always include Dan Marino in the discussion. If he played today I think many of these passing records would be untouchable.
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Guys, Brady threw for 505 yards and three touchdowns last night. He did that against the now World Champions. If you think he's not the GOAT, that's your choice. Have at it. It's not a point I'd really argue because it is so subjective. But if you think you got some new reason to point to as to why you think he's not the GOAT, know that you are abandoning even the pretense of credibility.
Its undisputed that Brady is the best of his generation. But the GOAT argument is pointless. You can’t compare players from different eras who played under different conditions and different rules.
No one knows how many Super Bowls a guy like Joe Montana and the 49ers would have won if passing friendly rules and advancements in nutrition and conditioning were around in the 80s. Or guys in the 50s and 60s who had to work regular jobs in the offseason to make ends meet.
That's why I always include Dan Marino in the discussion. If he played today I think many of these passing records would be untouchable.
No doubt Marino would wreck the joint if he played today. He was amazing.
1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
Guys, Brady threw for 505 yards and three touchdowns last night. He did that against the now World Champions. If you think he's not the GOAT, that's your choice. Have at it. It's not a point I'd really argue because it is so subjective. But if you think you got some new reason to point to as to why you think he's not the GOAT, know that you are abandoning even the pretense of credibility.
Its undisputed that Brady is the best of his generation. But the GOAT argument is pointless. You can’t compare players from different eras who played under different conditions and different rules.
No one knows how many Super Bowls a guy like Joe Montana and the 49ers would have won if passing friendly rules and advancements in nutrition and conditioning were around in the 80s. Or guys in the 50s and 60s who had to work regular jobs in the offseason to make ends meet.
On the other hand Montana played pre-salary cap (cap started in 94) and most of his career without true free agency (current FA system started in 92), and the Niners were therefore able to retain the vast majority of their players during his career, so he benefited from that, never had to worry about losing pieces of that stellar O-line or Taylor or Rice or Craig due to the team being up against the cap or say the Raiders offered Rice a salary with a poison pill that the Niners couldn't match. So you have to look at it from both sides of the coin, things kind of balance out when you do that.
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on2legs
Standing in the Jersey rain… Posts: 14,970
Guys, Brady threw for 505 yards and three touchdowns last night. He did that against the now World Champions. If you think he's not the GOAT, that's your choice. Have at it. It's not a point I'd really argue because it is so subjective. But if you think you got some new reason to point to as to why you think he's not the GOAT, know that you are abandoning even the pretense of credibility.
Its undisputed that Brady is the best of his generation. But the GOAT argument is pointless. You can’t compare players from different eras who played under different conditions and different rules.
No one knows how many Super Bowls a guy like Joe Montana and the 49ers would have won if passing friendly rules and advancements in nutrition and conditioning were around in the 80s. Or guys in the 50s and 60s who had to work regular jobs in the offseason to make ends meet.
On the other hand Montana played pre-salary cap (cap started in 94) and most of his career without true free agency (current FA system started in 92), and the Niners were therefore able to retain the vast majority of their players during his career, so he benefited from that, never had to worry about losing pieces of that stellar O-line or Taylor or Rice or Craig due to the team being up against the cap or say the Raiders offered Rice a salary with a poison pill that the Niners couldn't match. So you have to look at it from both sides of the coin, things kind of balance out when you do that.
Not really... with a little better nutrition and conditioning Montana would have been the QB in 1994 when the Niners beat the Chargers which would have made him 5-0 in Super Bowls compared to Brady's 5-3 record in the Super Bowl. With Montana in better shape the Niners could have traded Steve Young just like the Patriots did with Jimmy G.
Also... the free agency argument works both ways - the Niners would have been able to fill holes through signing players as much as they might have lost players. The Patriots signed Randy Moss in 2007 and almost went undefeated with him catching 23 touchdown passes. That's a significant advantage for Brady vs. Montana. In the 80s they had to rely mostly on building through the draft. The NFL is also waaaay more trade friendly nowadays than it was in the 80s. Witness the Patriots trading for a number one receiver - Brandin Cooks - during the off season. That never happened in the 80s.
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1996: Randall's Island 2 1998: East Rutherford | MSG 1 & 2 2000: Cincinnati | Columbus | Jones Beach 1, 2, & 3 | Boston 1 | Camden 1 & 2 2003: Philadelphia | Uniondale | MSG 1 & 2 | Holmdel 2005: Atlantic City 1 2006: Camden 1 | East Rutherford 1 & 2 2008: Camden 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Newark (EV) 2009: Philadelphia 1, 2 & 4 2010: Newark | MSG 1 & 2 2011: Toronto 1 2013: Wrigley Field | Brooklyn 2 | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore 2015: Central Park 2016: Philadelphia 1 & 2 | MSG 1 & 2 | Fenway Park 2 | MSG (TOTD) 2017: Brooklyn (RnR HOF) 2020: MSG | Asbury Park2021: Asbury Park 2022: MSG | Camden | Nashville 2024: MSG 1 & 2 (#50) | Philadelphia 1 & 2 | Baltimore
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You know what makes someone great? Not cheating.
Brady's SB record over time:
2002: 1-0
2004: 2-0
2005: 3-0
2008: 3-1
2012: 3-2
2015: 4-2
2017: 5-2
2018: 5-3
Its undisputed that Brady is the best of his generation. But the GOAT argument is pointless. You can’t compare players from different eras who played under different conditions and different rules.
No one knows how many Super Bowls a guy like Joe Montana and the 49ers would have won if passing friendly rules and advancements in nutrition and conditioning were around in the 80s. Or guys in the 50s and 60s who had to work regular jobs in the offseason to make ends meet.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
On the other hand Montana played pre-salary cap (cap started in 94) and most of his career without true free agency (current FA system started in 92), and the Niners were therefore able to retain the vast majority of their players during his career, so he benefited from that, never had to worry about losing pieces of that stellar O-line or Taylor or Rice or Craig due to the team being up against the cap or say the Raiders offered Rice a salary with a poison pill that the Niners couldn't match.
So you have to look at it from both sides of the coin, things kind of balance out when you do that.
Also... the free agency argument works both ways - the Niners would have been able to fill holes through signing players as much as they might have lost players. The Patriots signed Randy Moss in 2007 and almost went undefeated with him catching 23 touchdown passes. That's a significant advantage for Brady vs. Montana. In the 80s they had to rely mostly on building through the draft. The NFL is also waaaay more trade friendly nowadays than it was in the 80s. Witness the Patriots trading for a number one receiver - Brandin Cooks - during the off season. That never happened in the 80s.