Indictments incoming?

OnWis97

Even Barr couldn't fake Obamagate?  Hopefully everyone that worked so hard at it can grab a beer and a slice at Comet Pizza and have some R and R.

gimmesometruth27

because of course there was nothing to it.

this administration is like the abusive boyfriend/girlfriend that keeps making promises to take it to the next level and just absolutely has no intent on following through.

The Juggler

gimmesometruth27 said:

because of course there was nothing to it.

this administration is like the abusive boyfriend/girlfriend that keeps making promises to take it to the next level and just absolutely has no intent on following through.

So rolesomemodels and bs are what in this metaphor? Cuz they both are still expecting bombshells, only now not until December or January. lol

HughFreakingDillon

the eye-blinking wishful-thinking spouses with the broken limbs. 

The Juggler

HA. I love it
https://www.axios.com/trump-bill-barr-durham-report-d1c1680b-1f6a-431e-ae1b-e5deffe844e3.html

Trump declines to say whether Barr will return if re-elected

Axios

Photo: Mandel Ngan/AFP via Getty Images

President Trump told Newsmax in an interview Wednesday that "it's too early" to say whether he will ask Attorney General Bill Barr to return should he win a second term.

Why it matters: Barr quashed Trump allies' hopes that a sweeping review of the origins of the Russia investigation, led by U.S. Attorney John Durham, would be a pre-election bombshell containing revelations about what they allege were serious abuses by the Obama administration and intelligence officials.

• Durham's investigation so far has netted one criminal charge — an FBI lawyer who pleaded guilty to altering an email used to obtain a surveillance warrant on former Trump campaign aide Carter Page.
• Barr has made clear to top Republicans that they should not expect any further indictments or a comprehensive report before Nov. 3, Axios' Alayna Treene reports.

What they're saying: "I have no comment. Can't comment on that. It's too early," Trump said about whether he would bring Barr back.

• "I'm not happy with all of the evidence I have, I can tell you that. I'm not happy."

Driving the news: The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that a related probe commissioned by Barr, which reviewed whether Obama administration officials improperly requested the identities of Trump officials redacted in intelligence reports, has ended without finding substantive wrongdoing.

• "Personally, I think it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's a disgrace," Trump told Newsmax in an interview airing Wednesday night. "I think it's really a horrible thing that they're allowed to get away — when they say no indictments, they actually said no indictments before the election."
• "I had to go through elections with all those clouds over my head. But they don't because the Republicans are so nice. Personally, I think it's too bad. I think it's too bad, they're guilty as hell."

Halifax2TheMax

The Juggler said:

HA. I love it
https://www.axios.com/trump-bill-barr-durham-report-d1c1680b-1f6a-431e-ae1b-e5deffe844e3.html

Trump declines to say whether Barr will return if re-elected

Axios

Photo: Mandel Ngan/AFP via Getty Images

President Trump told Newsmax in an interview Wednesday that "it's too early" to say whether he will ask Attorney General Bill Barr to return should he win a second term.

Why it matters: Barr quashed Trump allies' hopes that a sweeping review of the origins of the Russia investigation, led by U.S. Attorney John Durham, would be a pre-election bombshell containing revelations about what they allege were serious abuses by the Obama administration and intelligence officials.

• Durham's investigation so far has netted one criminal charge — an FBI lawyer who pleaded guilty to altering an email used to obtain a surveillance warrant on former Trump campaign aide Carter Page.
• Barr has made clear to top Republicans that they should not expect any further indictments or a comprehensive report before Nov. 3, Axios' Alayna Treene reports.

What they're saying: "I have no comment. Can't comment on that. It's too early," Trump said about whether he would bring Barr back.

• "I'm not happy with all of the evidence I have, I can tell you that. I'm not happy."

Driving the news: The Washington Post reported on Tuesday that a related probe commissioned by Barr, which reviewed whether Obama administration officials improperly requested the identities of Trump officials redacted in intelligence reports, has ended without finding substantive wrongdoing.

• "Personally, I think it's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. It's a disgrace," Trump told Newsmax in an interview airing Wednesday night. "I think it's really a horrible thing that they're allowed to get away — when they say no indictments, they actually said no indictments before the election."
• "I had to go through elections with all those clouds over my head. But they don't because the Republicans are so nice. Personally, I think it's too bad. I think it's too bad, they're guilty as hell."

Unhinged. But WE knew that. “It was necessary.”

gimmesometruth27

barr either has the rona and is sick, is shredding incriminating documents to help trump, or is meeting with his lawyers for when he gets canned or resigns in disgrace so he can flip on trump.

OnWis97

If Barr isn't devoted enough, I can't imagine what kind of a soulless monster he'll get next...

Halifax2TheMax

Maybe I can be the clown sock?

josevolution

OnWis97 said:

Even Barr couldn't fake Obamagate?  Hopefully everyone that worked so hard at it can grab a beer and a slice at Comet Pizza and have some R and R.

For the pizza they should head to the poster here who has a pizza shop what’s his name oh yeah something like Rollstomodel I believe, he took the bait hook line&sinker on this crap!

Halifax2TheMax

Funny this, certain folks not talking about it? Because Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat is the kind of guy to go on legitimate record as injecting 10 million of his own money into his campaign, straight up and stand up guy that he is?

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/14/politics/trump-campaign-donation-investigation/index.html

The Juggler

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

The Juggler said:

So they're pushing the Durham report back to after the election (spoiler alert--there's not a whole lot there) and now they quietly announce they found no evidence of wrong doing regarding the masking nonsense?

Where art thou, devout Trumpists? You, who were clinging to these conspiracies to swing the election? Why so silent?
@BS44325
@RoleModelsinBlood31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-unmasking-review-no-charges/2020/10/13/0f63fd2e-0d67-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html

This is faaaar from over, we all know that.  Unlike democrats, republicans hold these things close to the chest and don’t leak (even falsities) to the media to “help” them.  His investigation has gotten much bigger than was originally expected, that much is obvious.

If I was leading this investigation, I would want to run those down before I started to “show my cards” to my targets by making indictments public.  I expect when an indictment is filed — and I believe one will be filed — it will include an extraordinarily detailed conspiracy count — maybe more than one conspiracy count — laying out the evidence against named and unnamed co-conspirators.  A conspiracy charge includes a section describing the “manner and means” of the conspiracy — how the group planned and executed the objectives of the conspiracy — and a lengthy factual statement of the “overt acts” committed by individual co-conspirators “in furtherance of the objectives” of the conspiracy.

To be legally sufficient, an indictment only needs to describe one overt act.  Historically there was a “practice” of minimizing the number of overt acts set forth in the indictment so as to not provide more information to the defense than the law required.  In the past couple decades the practice has changed, and federal prosecutors now draft what are called “speaking indictments” which are sometimes wildly “over-inclusive” in describing the overt acts.  The reason for doing this is the indictment is a “public record”, and anything in the indictment can be discussed in a press release or at a press conference announcing the case. A classic example of this was the Troll Farm and Russian GRU indictments announced by the Special Counsel’s Office. 

They have all learned how the democrats operate, and it is to lie, cheat, and use any means necessary to attain political power: the US media, foreign assets, their own FBI, DOJ, etc.  republicans are much smarter at this game, and we’ll see indictments come

December or early January, just before the inauguration of Trump.

You really should cite your sources. Maybe provide a link?

To you? Lmao, you’re the biggest clown shoe here, and that’s saying a lot, seeing as this is the most misinformed “political” discussion group I tread!  Pee-tape? Russia? I owe you nothing, fool.  I told you all along.

I only just scratched the surface in this pathetic echo chamber this last hour, but idiots here are talking about “right wing” dudes involved in the MI kidnapping? Jesus Christ you fools lap up everything you’re told.  It’s already come out that one of the guys was a BLM activist who denounced Trump in videos in front of an anarchist flag of all things. didn’t take long to look that up, you just have to finally acknowledge that the candy you’ve been sucking on has been fed to you like a baby because you slurp it all up without question.  Another of the goons? Pardoned by DE governor a few years back, only to return to attempt a shitty plot to kidnap someone.  These weren’t right wingers, they were boogaloos, who may as well be left wing since their anti-gov’t beliefs fall more in line with Antifa and BLM than anyone on the right who supports their gov’t/country and doesn’t want to overthrow it.

i haven’t seen it yet, but what kind of spun filth is floating around this forum about the “security” clown in Denver who shot and killed the conservative hat maker at the march?  You realize he was far left? Again, apologies if it’s been covered, but holy shit you all are so far off base with reality and just spoon fed anti-govt, anti-country bile that I just have to assume you’ve been fed it again with that news.

Where's the video of them denouncing Trump?  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/09/man-accused-of-whitmer-kidnap-plot-ripped-trump-as-tyrant/amp/

"every single person that works for gov't is your enemy".  Okay fine, he's a militia man.  That doesn't make him left wing.  He planned to abduct Whitmer and Northam, two Democratic governors.  These are the same jokers that invaded the State house in Michigan.  You think they vote Democrat or something?

Didn’t say that. I said their views more align with anti-govt. to
say they’re white supramacists it right wing is just as untruthful.  They’re anarchists, whichever wing you want them on is your choice.

Do you think the news that Whitmer was the target of an abduction helped or hurt Trump's cause in Michigan?

Neither. Just like a Bernie Bro shooting up a baseball field full of Republicans makes no difference. 

This is big local news in Michigan, not happening in DC.  You'll see another little bump or solidified D numbers in the polls in Michigan coming up.  Then you'll start seeing Trump pulling ads, if that hasn't already happened. 

Except John James is now only running a point behind Peters. The “decides” have decided and this shit won’t move them. Trump voters get that these bastards aren’t Trump people. Biden voters will claim they are regardless. The “middle” if they still exist might hate the insanity but won’t make there end decision based on the actions of domestic terrorists. My understanding is that Americans are made of sterner stuff. 

I'm sorry, you must not understand America middle/suburbia.  If you think for one minute that women and mothers in this country are ambivalent about militias or people walking around the streets with AR's and camos, you're crazy.  And then suburban women hear about a plan by these idiots to abduct the female democratic governor?  Yeah, no.  It's not a wash for Trump.

You're cherry picking polls a bit here.  I think it's tight, but Peters has a consistent lead.  You can throw out Trafalgar.  I generally think you can throw out any poll less than 1000 as well, so I don't know how useful any of these are.  

Reuters/Ipsos	10/7 - 10/13	620 LV	4.5	52	44	Peters +8
NY Times/Siena*	10/6 - 10/11	614 LV	4.6	43	42	Peters +1
CBS News/YouGov	10/6 - 10/9	1190 LV	3.3	47	44	Peters +3
Emerson	10/6 - 10/7	716 LV	3.6	51	41	Peters +10
CNBC/Change Research (D)	10/2 - 10/4	676 LV	--	51	43	Peters +8
Detroit News/WDIV-TV	9/30 - 10/3	600 LV	4.0	45	40	Peters +5
Trafalgar Group (R)	9/23 - 9/25	1047 LV	3.0	47	47	Tie
NBC News/Marist	9/19 - 9/22	799 LV	4.3	49	44	Peters +5

Ummm. Ok. Throw out any poll with less than 1000. Which leaves you with CBS and Trafalgar. Peters +3 to a tie. Basically margin of error race. Either way your suburban women ain’t dumb. They know these anarchists aren’t Trump voters while antifa are Biden voters. Pretty sure they can figure out on their own who to vote for...which like I said may not be Trump...but it won’t be this issue that sways them. It’s the 2016 voters who stayed home the dems need to move in Michigan because the ones who voted Trump ain’t switching. It’s too bad they refuse to knock on doors.

1200 likely voters. Biden also up 11. Good times. 

mrussel1

The Juggler said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

The Juggler said:

So they're pushing the Durham report back to after the election (spoiler alert--there's not a whole lot there) and now they quietly announce they found no evidence of wrong doing regarding the masking nonsense?

Where art thou, devout Trumpists? You, who were clinging to these conspiracies to swing the election? Why so silent?
@BS44325
@RoleModelsinBlood31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-unmasking-review-no-charges/2020/10/13/0f63fd2e-0d67-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html

This is faaaar from over, we all know that.  Unlike democrats, republicans hold these things close to the chest and don’t leak (even falsities) to the media to “help” them.  His investigation has gotten much bigger than was originally expected, that much is obvious.

If I was leading this investigation, I would want to run those down before I started to “show my cards” to my targets by making indictments public.  I expect when an indictment is filed — and I believe one will be filed — it will include an extraordinarily detailed conspiracy count — maybe more than one conspiracy count — laying out the evidence against named and unnamed co-conspirators.  A conspiracy charge includes a section describing the “manner and means” of the conspiracy — how the group planned and executed the objectives of the conspiracy — and a lengthy factual statement of the “overt acts” committed by individual co-conspirators “in furtherance of the objectives” of the conspiracy.

To be legally sufficient, an indictment only needs to describe one overt act.  Historically there was a “practice” of minimizing the number of overt acts set forth in the indictment so as to not provide more information to the defense than the law required.  In the past couple decades the practice has changed, and federal prosecutors now draft what are called “speaking indictments” which are sometimes wildly “over-inclusive” in describing the overt acts.  The reason for doing this is the indictment is a “public record”, and anything in the indictment can be discussed in a press release or at a press conference announcing the case. A classic example of this was the Troll Farm and Russian GRU indictments announced by the Special Counsel’s Office. 

They have all learned how the democrats operate, and it is to lie, cheat, and use any means necessary to attain political power: the US media, foreign assets, their own FBI, DOJ, etc.  republicans are much smarter at this game, and we’ll see indictments come

December or early January, just before the inauguration of Trump.

You really should cite your sources. Maybe provide a link?

To you? Lmao, you’re the biggest clown shoe here, and that’s saying a lot, seeing as this is the most misinformed “political” discussion group I tread!  Pee-tape? Russia? I owe you nothing, fool.  I told you all along.

I only just scratched the surface in this pathetic echo chamber this last hour, but idiots here are talking about “right wing” dudes involved in the MI kidnapping? Jesus Christ you fools lap up everything you’re told.  It’s already come out that one of the guys was a BLM activist who denounced Trump in videos in front of an anarchist flag of all things. didn’t take long to look that up, you just have to finally acknowledge that the candy you’ve been sucking on has been fed to you like a baby because you slurp it all up without question.  Another of the goons? Pardoned by DE governor a few years back, only to return to attempt a shitty plot to kidnap someone.  These weren’t right wingers, they were boogaloos, who may as well be left wing since their anti-gov’t beliefs fall more in line with Antifa and BLM than anyone on the right who supports their gov’t/country and doesn’t want to overthrow it.

i haven’t seen it yet, but what kind of spun filth is floating around this forum about the “security” clown in Denver who shot and killed the conservative hat maker at the march?  You realize he was far left? Again, apologies if it’s been covered, but holy shit you all are so far off base with reality and just spoon fed anti-govt, anti-country bile that I just have to assume you’ve been fed it again with that news.

Where's the video of them denouncing Trump?  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/09/man-accused-of-whitmer-kidnap-plot-ripped-trump-as-tyrant/amp/

"every single person that works for gov't is your enemy".  Okay fine, he's a militia man.  That doesn't make him left wing.  He planned to abduct Whitmer and Northam, two Democratic governors.  These are the same jokers that invaded the State house in Michigan.  You think they vote Democrat or something?

Didn’t say that. I said their views more align with anti-govt. to
say they’re white supramacists it right wing is just as untruthful.  They’re anarchists, whichever wing you want them on is your choice.

Do you think the news that Whitmer was the target of an abduction helped or hurt Trump's cause in Michigan?

Neither. Just like a Bernie Bro shooting up a baseball field full of Republicans makes no difference. 

This is big local news in Michigan, not happening in DC.  You'll see another little bump or solidified D numbers in the polls in Michigan coming up.  Then you'll start seeing Trump pulling ads, if that hasn't already happened. 

Except John James is now only running a point behind Peters. The “decides” have decided and this shit won’t move them. Trump voters get that these bastards aren’t Trump people. Biden voters will claim they are regardless. The “middle” if they still exist might hate the insanity but won’t make there end decision based on the actions of domestic terrorists. My understanding is that Americans are made of sterner stuff. 

I'm sorry, you must not understand America middle/suburbia.  If you think for one minute that women and mothers in this country are ambivalent about militias or people walking around the streets with AR's and camos, you're crazy.  And then suburban women hear about a plan by these idiots to abduct the female democratic governor?  Yeah, no.  It's not a wash for Trump.

You're cherry picking polls a bit here.  I think it's tight, but Peters has a consistent lead.  You can throw out Trafalgar.  I generally think you can throw out any poll less than 1000 as well, so I don't know how useful any of these are.  

Reuters/Ipsos	10/7 - 10/13	620 LV	4.5	52	44	Peters +8
NY Times/Siena*	10/6 - 10/11	614 LV	4.6	43	42	Peters +1
CBS News/YouGov	10/6 - 10/9	1190 LV	3.3	47	44	Peters +3
Emerson	10/6 - 10/7	716 LV	3.6	51	41	Peters +10
CNBC/Change Research (D)	10/2 - 10/4	676 LV	--	51	43	Peters +8
Detroit News/WDIV-TV	9/30 - 10/3	600 LV	4.0	45	40	Peters +5
Trafalgar Group (R)	9/23 - 9/25	1047 LV	3.0	47	47	Tie
NBC News/Marist	9/19 - 9/22	799 LV	4.3	49	44	Peters +5

Ummm. Ok. Throw out any poll with less than 1000. Which leaves you with CBS and Trafalgar. Peters +3 to a tie. Basically margin of error race. Either way your suburban women ain’t dumb. They know these anarchists aren’t Trump voters while antifa are Biden voters. Pretty sure they can figure out on their own who to vote for...which like I said may not be Trump...but it won’t be this issue that sways them. It’s the 2016 voters who stayed home the dems need to move in Michigan because the ones who voted Trump ain’t switching. It’s too bad they refuse to knock on doors.

1200 likely voters. Biden also up 11. Good times. 

1200 LV is a good sample.  Harris also leans right. 

BS44325

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

The Juggler said:

So they're pushing the Durham report back to after the election (spoiler alert--there's not a whole lot there) and now they quietly announce they found no evidence of wrong doing regarding the masking nonsense?

Where art thou, devout Trumpists? You, who were clinging to these conspiracies to swing the election? Why so silent?
@BS44325
@RoleModelsinBlood31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-unmasking-review-no-charges/2020/10/13/0f63fd2e-0d67-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html

This is faaaar from over, we all know that.  Unlike democrats, republicans hold these things close to the chest and don’t leak (even falsities) to the media to “help” them.  His investigation has gotten much bigger than was originally expected, that much is obvious.

If I was leading this investigation, I would want to run those down before I started to “show my cards” to my targets by making indictments public.  I expect when an indictment is filed — and I believe one will be filed — it will include an extraordinarily detailed conspiracy count — maybe more than one conspiracy count — laying out the evidence against named and unnamed co-conspirators.  A conspiracy charge includes a section describing the “manner and means” of the conspiracy — how the group planned and executed the objectives of the conspiracy — and a lengthy factual statement of the “overt acts” committed by individual co-conspirators “in furtherance of the objectives” of the conspiracy.

To be legally sufficient, an indictment only needs to describe one overt act.  Historically there was a “practice” of minimizing the number of overt acts set forth in the indictment so as to not provide more information to the defense than the law required.  In the past couple decades the practice has changed, and federal prosecutors now draft what are called “speaking indictments” which are sometimes wildly “over-inclusive” in describing the overt acts.  The reason for doing this is the indictment is a “public record”, and anything in the indictment can be discussed in a press release or at a press conference announcing the case. A classic example of this was the Troll Farm and Russian GRU indictments announced by the Special Counsel’s Office. 

They have all learned how the democrats operate, and it is to lie, cheat, and use any means necessary to attain political power: the US media, foreign assets, their own FBI, DOJ, etc.  republicans are much smarter at this game, and we’ll see indictments come

December or early January, just before the inauguration of Trump.

You really should cite your sources. Maybe provide a link?

To you? Lmao, you’re the biggest clown shoe here, and that’s saying a lot, seeing as this is the most misinformed “political” discussion group I tread!  Pee-tape? Russia? I owe you nothing, fool.  I told you all along.

I only just scratched the surface in this pathetic echo chamber this last hour, but idiots here are talking about “right wing” dudes involved in the MI kidnapping? Jesus Christ you fools lap up everything you’re told.  It’s already come out that one of the guys was a BLM activist who denounced Trump in videos in front of an anarchist flag of all things. didn’t take long to look that up, you just have to finally acknowledge that the candy you’ve been sucking on has been fed to you like a baby because you slurp it all up without question.  Another of the goons? Pardoned by DE governor a few years back, only to return to attempt a shitty plot to kidnap someone.  These weren’t right wingers, they were boogaloos, who may as well be left wing since their anti-gov’t beliefs fall more in line with Antifa and BLM than anyone on the right who supports their gov’t/country and doesn’t want to overthrow it.

i haven’t seen it yet, but what kind of spun filth is floating around this forum about the “security” clown in Denver who shot and killed the conservative hat maker at the march?  You realize he was far left? Again, apologies if it’s been covered, but holy shit you all are so far off base with reality and just spoon fed anti-govt, anti-country bile that I just have to assume you’ve been fed it again with that news.

Where's the video of them denouncing Trump?  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/09/man-accused-of-whitmer-kidnap-plot-ripped-trump-as-tyrant/amp/

"every single person that works for gov't is your enemy".  Okay fine, he's a militia man.  That doesn't make him left wing.  He planned to abduct Whitmer and Northam, two Democratic governors.  These are the same jokers that invaded the State house in Michigan.  You think they vote Democrat or something?

Didn’t say that. I said their views more align with anti-govt. to
say they’re white supramacists it right wing is just as untruthful.  They’re anarchists, whichever wing you want them on is your choice.

Do you think the news that Whitmer was the target of an abduction helped or hurt Trump's cause in Michigan?

Neither. Just like a Bernie Bro shooting up a baseball field full of Republicans makes no difference. 

This is big local news in Michigan, not happening in DC.  You'll see another little bump or solidified D numbers in the polls in Michigan coming up.  Then you'll start seeing Trump pulling ads, if that hasn't already happened. 

Except John James is now only running a point behind Peters. The “decides” have decided and this shit won’t move them. Trump voters get that these bastards aren’t Trump people. Biden voters will claim they are regardless. The “middle” if they still exist might hate the insanity but won’t make there end decision based on the actions of domestic terrorists. My understanding is that Americans are made of sterner stuff. 

I'm sorry, you must not understand America middle/suburbia.  If you think for one minute that women and mothers in this country are ambivalent about militias or people walking around the streets with AR's and camos, you're crazy.  And then suburban women hear about a plan by these idiots to abduct the female democratic governor?  Yeah, no.  It's not a wash for Trump.

You're cherry picking polls a bit here.  I think it's tight, but Peters has a consistent lead.  You can throw out Trafalgar.  I generally think you can throw out any poll less than 1000 as well, so I don't know how useful any of these are.  

Reuters/Ipsos	10/7 - 10/13	620 LV	4.5	52	44	Peters +8
NY Times/Siena*	10/6 - 10/11	614 LV	4.6	43	42	Peters +1
CBS News/YouGov	10/6 - 10/9	1190 LV	3.3	47	44	Peters +3
Emerson	10/6 - 10/7	716 LV	3.6	51	41	Peters +10
CNBC/Change Research (D)	10/2 - 10/4	676 LV	--	51	43	Peters +8
Detroit News/WDIV-TV	9/30 - 10/3	600 LV	4.0	45	40	Peters +5
Trafalgar Group (R)	9/23 - 9/25	1047 LV	3.0	47	47	Tie
NBC News/Marist	9/19 - 9/22	799 LV	4.3	49	44	Peters +5

Ummm. Ok. Throw out any poll with less than 1000. Which leaves you with CBS and Trafalgar. Peters +3 to a tie. Basically margin of error race. Either way your suburban women ain’t dumb. They know these anarchists aren’t Trump voters while antifa are Biden voters. Pretty sure they can figure out on their own who to vote for...which like I said may not be Trump...but it won’t be this issue that sways them. It’s the 2016 voters who stayed home the dems need to move in Michigan because the ones who voted Trump ain’t switching. It’s too bad they refuse to knock on doors.

1200 likely voters. Biden also up 11. Good times. 

1200 LV is a good sample.  Harris also leans right. 

True. It's also true that the RCP average went from Peters +5 pre-Whitmer plot to Peters +6 post-Whitmer. Like I said... it's a Wash My Love.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

The Juggler said:

So they're pushing the Durham report back to after the election (spoiler alert--there's not a whole lot there) and now they quietly announce they found no evidence of wrong doing regarding the masking nonsense?

Where art thou, devout Trumpists? You, who were clinging to these conspiracies to swing the election? Why so silent?
@BS44325
@RoleModelsinBlood31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-unmasking-review-no-charges/2020/10/13/0f63fd2e-0d67-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html

This is faaaar from over, we all know that.  Unlike democrats, republicans hold these things close to the chest and don’t leak (even falsities) to the media to “help” them.  His investigation has gotten much bigger than was originally expected, that much is obvious.

If I was leading this investigation, I would want to run those down before I started to “show my cards” to my targets by making indictments public.  I expect when an indictment is filed — and I believe one will be filed — it will include an extraordinarily detailed conspiracy count — maybe more than one conspiracy count — laying out the evidence against named and unnamed co-conspirators.  A conspiracy charge includes a section describing the “manner and means” of the conspiracy — how the group planned and executed the objectives of the conspiracy — and a lengthy factual statement of the “overt acts” committed by individual co-conspirators “in furtherance of the objectives” of the conspiracy.

To be legally sufficient, an indictment only needs to describe one overt act.  Historically there was a “practice” of minimizing the number of overt acts set forth in the indictment so as to not provide more information to the defense than the law required.  In the past couple decades the practice has changed, and federal prosecutors now draft what are called “speaking indictments” which are sometimes wildly “over-inclusive” in describing the overt acts.  The reason for doing this is the indictment is a “public record”, and anything in the indictment can be discussed in a press release or at a press conference announcing the case. A classic example of this was the Troll Farm and Russian GRU indictments announced by the Special Counsel’s Office. 

They have all learned how the democrats operate, and it is to lie, cheat, and use any means necessary to attain political power: the US media, foreign assets, their own FBI, DOJ, etc.  republicans are much smarter at this game, and we’ll see indictments come

December or early January, just before the inauguration of Trump.

You really should cite your sources. Maybe provide a link?

To you? Lmao, you’re the biggest clown shoe here, and that’s saying a lot, seeing as this is the most misinformed “political” discussion group I tread!  Pee-tape? Russia? I owe you nothing, fool.  I told you all along.

I only just scratched the surface in this pathetic echo chamber this last hour, but idiots here are talking about “right wing” dudes involved in the MI kidnapping? Jesus Christ you fools lap up everything you’re told.  It’s already come out that one of the guys was a BLM activist who denounced Trump in videos in front of an anarchist flag of all things. didn’t take long to look that up, you just have to finally acknowledge that the candy you’ve been sucking on has been fed to you like a baby because you slurp it all up without question.  Another of the goons? Pardoned by DE governor a few years back, only to return to attempt a shitty plot to kidnap someone.  These weren’t right wingers, they were boogaloos, who may as well be left wing since their anti-gov’t beliefs fall more in line with Antifa and BLM than anyone on the right who supports their gov’t/country and doesn’t want to overthrow it.

i haven’t seen it yet, but what kind of spun filth is floating around this forum about the “security” clown in Denver who shot and killed the conservative hat maker at the march?  You realize he was far left? Again, apologies if it’s been covered, but holy shit you all are so far off base with reality and just spoon fed anti-govt, anti-country bile that I just have to assume you’ve been fed it again with that news.

Where's the video of them denouncing Trump?  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/09/man-accused-of-whitmer-kidnap-plot-ripped-trump-as-tyrant/amp/

"every single person that works for gov't is your enemy".  Okay fine, he's a militia man.  That doesn't make him left wing.  He planned to abduct Whitmer and Northam, two Democratic governors.  These are the same jokers that invaded the State house in Michigan.  You think they vote Democrat or something?

Didn’t say that. I said their views more align with anti-govt. to
say they’re white supramacists it right wing is just as untruthful.  They’re anarchists, whichever wing you want them on is your choice.

Do you think the news that Whitmer was the target of an abduction helped or hurt Trump's cause in Michigan?

Neither. Just like a Bernie Bro shooting up a baseball field full of Republicans makes no difference. 

This is big local news in Michigan, not happening in DC.  You'll see another little bump or solidified D numbers in the polls in Michigan coming up.  Then you'll start seeing Trump pulling ads, if that hasn't already happened. 

Except John James is now only running a point behind Peters. The “decides” have decided and this shit won’t move them. Trump voters get that these bastards aren’t Trump people. Biden voters will claim they are regardless. The “middle” if they still exist might hate the insanity but won’t make there end decision based on the actions of domestic terrorists. My understanding is that Americans are made of sterner stuff. 

I'm sorry, you must not understand America middle/suburbia.  If you think for one minute that women and mothers in this country are ambivalent about militias or people walking around the streets with AR's and camos, you're crazy.  And then suburban women hear about a plan by these idiots to abduct the female democratic governor?  Yeah, no.  It's not a wash for Trump.

You're cherry picking polls a bit here.  I think it's tight, but Peters has a consistent lead.  You can throw out Trafalgar.  I generally think you can throw out any poll less than 1000 as well, so I don't know how useful any of these are.  

Reuters/Ipsos	10/7 - 10/13	620 LV	4.5	52	44	Peters +8
NY Times/Siena*	10/6 - 10/11	614 LV	4.6	43	42	Peters +1
CBS News/YouGov	10/6 - 10/9	1190 LV	3.3	47	44	Peters +3
Emerson	10/6 - 10/7	716 LV	3.6	51	41	Peters +10
CNBC/Change Research (D)	10/2 - 10/4	676 LV	--	51	43	Peters +8
Detroit News/WDIV-TV	9/30 - 10/3	600 LV	4.0	45	40	Peters +5
Trafalgar Group (R)	9/23 - 9/25	1047 LV	3.0	47	47	Tie
NBC News/Marist	9/19 - 9/22	799 LV	4.3	49	44	Peters +5

Ummm. Ok. Throw out any poll with less than 1000. Which leaves you with CBS and Trafalgar. Peters +3 to a tie. Basically margin of error race. Either way your suburban women ain’t dumb. They know these anarchists aren’t Trump voters while antifa are Biden voters. Pretty sure they can figure out on their own who to vote for...which like I said may not be Trump...but it won’t be this issue that sways them. It’s the 2016 voters who stayed home the dems need to move in Michigan because the ones who voted Trump ain’t switching. It’s too bad they refuse to knock on doors.

1200 likely voters. Biden also up 11. Good times. 

1200 LV is a good sample.  Harris also leans right. 

True. It's also true that the RCP average went from Peters +5 pre-Whitmer plot to Peters +6 post-Whitmer. Like I said... it's a Wash My Love.

Sure, sure.  One post kidnap poll averaged against a bunch of pre.  More intellectual honesty.  But if you're hanging your hat on this and "peace in the Middle East", well more power to you.  It's been a really productive four years for the country. 

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mrussel1 said:

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mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

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mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

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RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

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So they're pushing the Durham report back to after the election (spoiler alert--there's not a whole lot there) and now they quietly announce they found no evidence of wrong doing regarding the masking nonsense?

Where art thou, devout Trumpists? You, who were clinging to these conspiracies to swing the election? Why so silent?
@BS44325
@RoleModelsinBlood31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-unmasking-review-no-charges/2020/10/13/0f63fd2e-0d67-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html

This is faaaar from over, we all know that.  Unlike democrats, republicans hold these things close to the chest and don’t leak (even falsities) to the media to “help” them.  His investigation has gotten much bigger than was originally expected, that much is obvious.

If I was leading this investigation, I would want to run those down before I started to “show my cards” to my targets by making indictments public.  I expect when an indictment is filed — and I believe one will be filed — it will include an extraordinarily detailed conspiracy count — maybe more than one conspiracy count — laying out the evidence against named and unnamed co-conspirators.  A conspiracy charge includes a section describing the “manner and means” of the conspiracy — how the group planned and executed the objectives of the conspiracy — and a lengthy factual statement of the “overt acts” committed by individual co-conspirators “in furtherance of the objectives” of the conspiracy.

To be legally sufficient, an indictment only needs to describe one overt act.  Historically there was a “practice” of minimizing the number of overt acts set forth in the indictment so as to not provide more information to the defense than the law required.  In the past couple decades the practice has changed, and federal prosecutors now draft what are called “speaking indictments” which are sometimes wildly “over-inclusive” in describing the overt acts.  The reason for doing this is the indictment is a “public record”, and anything in the indictment can be discussed in a press release or at a press conference announcing the case. A classic example of this was the Troll Farm and Russian GRU indictments announced by the Special Counsel’s Office. 

They have all learned how the democrats operate, and it is to lie, cheat, and use any means necessary to attain political power: the US media, foreign assets, their own FBI, DOJ, etc.  republicans are much smarter at this game, and we’ll see indictments come

December or early January, just before the inauguration of Trump.

You really should cite your sources. Maybe provide a link?

To you? Lmao, you’re the biggest clown shoe here, and that’s saying a lot, seeing as this is the most misinformed “political” discussion group I tread!  Pee-tape? Russia? I owe you nothing, fool.  I told you all along.

I only just scratched the surface in this pathetic echo chamber this last hour, but idiots here are talking about “right wing” dudes involved in the MI kidnapping? Jesus Christ you fools lap up everything you’re told.  It’s already come out that one of the guys was a BLM activist who denounced Trump in videos in front of an anarchist flag of all things. didn’t take long to look that up, you just have to finally acknowledge that the candy you’ve been sucking on has been fed to you like a baby because you slurp it all up without question.  Another of the goons? Pardoned by DE governor a few years back, only to return to attempt a shitty plot to kidnap someone.  These weren’t right wingers, they were boogaloos, who may as well be left wing since their anti-gov’t beliefs fall more in line with Antifa and BLM than anyone on the right who supports their gov’t/country and doesn’t want to overthrow it.

i haven’t seen it yet, but what kind of spun filth is floating around this forum about the “security” clown in Denver who shot and killed the conservative hat maker at the march?  You realize he was far left? Again, apologies if it’s been covered, but holy shit you all are so far off base with reality and just spoon fed anti-govt, anti-country bile that I just have to assume you’ve been fed it again with that news.

Where's the video of them denouncing Trump?  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/09/man-accused-of-whitmer-kidnap-plot-ripped-trump-as-tyrant/amp/

"every single person that works for gov't is your enemy".  Okay fine, he's a militia man.  That doesn't make him left wing.  He planned to abduct Whitmer and Northam, two Democratic governors.  These are the same jokers that invaded the State house in Michigan.  You think they vote Democrat or something?

Didn’t say that. I said their views more align with anti-govt. to
say they’re white supramacists it right wing is just as untruthful.  They’re anarchists, whichever wing you want them on is your choice.

Do you think the news that Whitmer was the target of an abduction helped or hurt Trump's cause in Michigan?

Neither. Just like a Bernie Bro shooting up a baseball field full of Republicans makes no difference. 

This is big local news in Michigan, not happening in DC.  You'll see another little bump or solidified D numbers in the polls in Michigan coming up.  Then you'll start seeing Trump pulling ads, if that hasn't already happened. 

Except John James is now only running a point behind Peters. The “decides” have decided and this shit won’t move them. Trump voters get that these bastards aren’t Trump people. Biden voters will claim they are regardless. The “middle” if they still exist might hate the insanity but won’t make there end decision based on the actions of domestic terrorists. My understanding is that Americans are made of sterner stuff. 

I'm sorry, you must not understand America middle/suburbia.  If you think for one minute that women and mothers in this country are ambivalent about militias or people walking around the streets with AR's and camos, you're crazy.  And then suburban women hear about a plan by these idiots to abduct the female democratic governor?  Yeah, no.  It's not a wash for Trump.

You're cherry picking polls a bit here.  I think it's tight, but Peters has a consistent lead.  You can throw out Trafalgar.  I generally think you can throw out any poll less than 1000 as well, so I don't know how useful any of these are.  

Reuters/Ipsos	10/7 - 10/13	620 LV	4.5	52	44	Peters +8
NY Times/Siena*	10/6 - 10/11	614 LV	4.6	43	42	Peters +1
CBS News/YouGov	10/6 - 10/9	1190 LV	3.3	47	44	Peters +3
Emerson	10/6 - 10/7	716 LV	3.6	51	41	Peters +10
CNBC/Change Research (D)	10/2 - 10/4	676 LV	--	51	43	Peters +8
Detroit News/WDIV-TV	9/30 - 10/3	600 LV	4.0	45	40	Peters +5
Trafalgar Group (R)	9/23 - 9/25	1047 LV	3.0	47	47	Tie
NBC News/Marist	9/19 - 9/22	799 LV	4.3	49	44	Peters +5

Ummm. Ok. Throw out any poll with less than 1000. Which leaves you with CBS and Trafalgar. Peters +3 to a tie. Basically margin of error race. Either way your suburban women ain’t dumb. They know these anarchists aren’t Trump voters while antifa are Biden voters. Pretty sure they can figure out on their own who to vote for...which like I said may not be Trump...but it won’t be this issue that sways them. It’s the 2016 voters who stayed home the dems need to move in Michigan because the ones who voted Trump ain’t switching. It’s too bad they refuse to knock on doors.

1200 likely voters. Biden also up 11. Good times. 

1200 LV is a good sample.  Harris also leans right. 

True. It's also true that the RCP average went from Peters +5 pre-Whitmer plot to Peters +6 post-Whitmer. Like I said... it's a Wash My Love.

Sure, sure.  One post kidnap poll averaged against a bunch of pre.  More intellectual honesty.  But if you're hanging your hat on this and "peace in the Middle East", well more power to you.  It's been a really productive four years for the country. 

It’s many pre-polls averaged against many post. You’ve lost the argument. Again.

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BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

The Juggler said:

So they're pushing the Durham report back to after the election (spoiler alert--there's not a whole lot there) and now they quietly announce they found no evidence of wrong doing regarding the masking nonsense?

Where art thou, devout Trumpists? You, who were clinging to these conspiracies to swing the election? Why so silent?
@BS44325
@RoleModelsinBlood31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-unmasking-review-no-charges/2020/10/13/0f63fd2e-0d67-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html

This is faaaar from over, we all know that.  Unlike democrats, republicans hold these things close to the chest and don’t leak (even falsities) to the media to “help” them.  His investigation has gotten much bigger than was originally expected, that much is obvious.

If I was leading this investigation, I would want to run those down before I started to “show my cards” to my targets by making indictments public.  I expect when an indictment is filed — and I believe one will be filed — it will include an extraordinarily detailed conspiracy count — maybe more than one conspiracy count — laying out the evidence against named and unnamed co-conspirators.  A conspiracy charge includes a section describing the “manner and means” of the conspiracy — how the group planned and executed the objectives of the conspiracy — and a lengthy factual statement of the “overt acts” committed by individual co-conspirators “in furtherance of the objectives” of the conspiracy.

To be legally sufficient, an indictment only needs to describe one overt act.  Historically there was a “practice” of minimizing the number of overt acts set forth in the indictment so as to not provide more information to the defense than the law required.  In the past couple decades the practice has changed, and federal prosecutors now draft what are called “speaking indictments” which are sometimes wildly “over-inclusive” in describing the overt acts.  The reason for doing this is the indictment is a “public record”, and anything in the indictment can be discussed in a press release or at a press conference announcing the case. A classic example of this was the Troll Farm and Russian GRU indictments announced by the Special Counsel’s Office. 

They have all learned how the democrats operate, and it is to lie, cheat, and use any means necessary to attain political power: the US media, foreign assets, their own FBI, DOJ, etc.  republicans are much smarter at this game, and we’ll see indictments come

December or early January, just before the inauguration of Trump.

You really should cite your sources. Maybe provide a link?

To you? Lmao, you’re the biggest clown shoe here, and that’s saying a lot, seeing as this is the most misinformed “political” discussion group I tread!  Pee-tape? Russia? I owe you nothing, fool.  I told you all along.

I only just scratched the surface in this pathetic echo chamber this last hour, but idiots here are talking about “right wing” dudes involved in the MI kidnapping? Jesus Christ you fools lap up everything you’re told.  It’s already come out that one of the guys was a BLM activist who denounced Trump in videos in front of an anarchist flag of all things. didn’t take long to look that up, you just have to finally acknowledge that the candy you’ve been sucking on has been fed to you like a baby because you slurp it all up without question.  Another of the goons? Pardoned by DE governor a few years back, only to return to attempt a shitty plot to kidnap someone.  These weren’t right wingers, they were boogaloos, who may as well be left wing since their anti-gov’t beliefs fall more in line with Antifa and BLM than anyone on the right who supports their gov’t/country and doesn’t want to overthrow it.

i haven’t seen it yet, but what kind of spun filth is floating around this forum about the “security” clown in Denver who shot and killed the conservative hat maker at the march?  You realize he was far left? Again, apologies if it’s been covered, but holy shit you all are so far off base with reality and just spoon fed anti-govt, anti-country bile that I just have to assume you’ve been fed it again with that news.

Where's the video of them denouncing Trump?  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/09/man-accused-of-whitmer-kidnap-plot-ripped-trump-as-tyrant/amp/

"every single person that works for gov't is your enemy".  Okay fine, he's a militia man.  That doesn't make him left wing.  He planned to abduct Whitmer and Northam, two Democratic governors.  These are the same jokers that invaded the State house in Michigan.  You think they vote Democrat or something?

Didn’t say that. I said their views more align with anti-govt. to
say they’re white supramacists it right wing is just as untruthful.  They’re anarchists, whichever wing you want them on is your choice.

Do you think the news that Whitmer was the target of an abduction helped or hurt Trump's cause in Michigan?

Neither. Just like a Bernie Bro shooting up a baseball field full of Republicans makes no difference. 

This is big local news in Michigan, not happening in DC.  You'll see another little bump or solidified D numbers in the polls in Michigan coming up.  Then you'll start seeing Trump pulling ads, if that hasn't already happened. 

Except John James is now only running a point behind Peters. The “decides” have decided and this shit won’t move them. Trump voters get that these bastards aren’t Trump people. Biden voters will claim they are regardless. The “middle” if they still exist might hate the insanity but won’t make there end decision based on the actions of domestic terrorists. My understanding is that Americans are made of sterner stuff. 

I'm sorry, you must not understand America middle/suburbia.  If you think for one minute that women and mothers in this country are ambivalent about militias or people walking around the streets with AR's and camos, you're crazy.  And then suburban women hear about a plan by these idiots to abduct the female democratic governor?  Yeah, no.  It's not a wash for Trump.

You're cherry picking polls a bit here.  I think it's tight, but Peters has a consistent lead.  You can throw out Trafalgar.  I generally think you can throw out any poll less than 1000 as well, so I don't know how useful any of these are.  

Reuters/Ipsos	10/7 - 10/13	620 LV	4.5	52	44	Peters +8
NY Times/Siena*	10/6 - 10/11	614 LV	4.6	43	42	Peters +1
CBS News/YouGov	10/6 - 10/9	1190 LV	3.3	47	44	Peters +3
Emerson	10/6 - 10/7	716 LV	3.6	51	41	Peters +10
CNBC/Change Research (D)	10/2 - 10/4	676 LV	--	51	43	Peters +8
Detroit News/WDIV-TV	9/30 - 10/3	600 LV	4.0	45	40	Peters +5
Trafalgar Group (R)	9/23 - 9/25	1047 LV	3.0	47	47	Tie
NBC News/Marist	9/19 - 9/22	799 LV	4.3	49	44	Peters +5

Ummm. Ok. Throw out any poll with less than 1000. Which leaves you with CBS and Trafalgar. Peters +3 to a tie. Basically margin of error race. Either way your suburban women ain’t dumb. They know these anarchists aren’t Trump voters while antifa are Biden voters. Pretty sure they can figure out on their own who to vote for...which like I said may not be Trump...but it won’t be this issue that sways them. It’s the 2016 voters who stayed home the dems need to move in Michigan because the ones who voted Trump ain’t switching. It’s too bad they refuse to knock on doors.

1200 likely voters. Biden also up 11. Good times. 

1200 LV is a good sample.  Harris also leans right. 

True. It's also true that the RCP average went from Peters +5 pre-Whitmer plot to Peters +6 post-Whitmer. Like I said... it's a Wash My Love.

Sleepy Woke Joe Basement Biden in MI just now saying how Team Trump Treason Tax Cheat hasn’t “turned the corner,” but how he’s “gone around the bend.” To laughter no less.

mrussel1

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

The Juggler said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

mrussel1 said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

The Juggler said:

So they're pushing the Durham report back to after the election (spoiler alert--there's not a whole lot there) and now they quietly announce they found no evidence of wrong doing regarding the masking nonsense?

Where art thou, devout Trumpists? You, who were clinging to these conspiracies to swing the election? Why so silent?
@BS44325
@RoleModelsinBlood31

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/barr-unmasking-review-no-charges/2020/10/13/0f63fd2e-0d67-11eb-8074-0e943a91bf08_story.html

This is faaaar from over, we all know that.  Unlike democrats, republicans hold these things close to the chest and don’t leak (even falsities) to the media to “help” them.  His investigation has gotten much bigger than was originally expected, that much is obvious.

If I was leading this investigation, I would want to run those down before I started to “show my cards” to my targets by making indictments public.  I expect when an indictment is filed — and I believe one will be filed — it will include an extraordinarily detailed conspiracy count — maybe more than one conspiracy count — laying out the evidence against named and unnamed co-conspirators.  A conspiracy charge includes a section describing the “manner and means” of the conspiracy — how the group planned and executed the objectives of the conspiracy — and a lengthy factual statement of the “overt acts” committed by individual co-conspirators “in furtherance of the objectives” of the conspiracy.

To be legally sufficient, an indictment only needs to describe one overt act.  Historically there was a “practice” of minimizing the number of overt acts set forth in the indictment so as to not provide more information to the defense than the law required.  In the past couple decades the practice has changed, and federal prosecutors now draft what are called “speaking indictments” which are sometimes wildly “over-inclusive” in describing the overt acts.  The reason for doing this is the indictment is a “public record”, and anything in the indictment can be discussed in a press release or at a press conference announcing the case. A classic example of this was the Troll Farm and Russian GRU indictments announced by the Special Counsel’s Office. 

They have all learned how the democrats operate, and it is to lie, cheat, and use any means necessary to attain political power: the US media, foreign assets, their own FBI, DOJ, etc.  republicans are much smarter at this game, and we’ll see indictments come

December or early January, just before the inauguration of Trump.

You really should cite your sources. Maybe provide a link?

To you? Lmao, you’re the biggest clown shoe here, and that’s saying a lot, seeing as this is the most misinformed “political” discussion group I tread!  Pee-tape? Russia? I owe you nothing, fool.  I told you all along.

I only just scratched the surface in this pathetic echo chamber this last hour, but idiots here are talking about “right wing” dudes involved in the MI kidnapping? Jesus Christ you fools lap up everything you’re told.  It’s already come out that one of the guys was a BLM activist who denounced Trump in videos in front of an anarchist flag of all things. didn’t take long to look that up, you just have to finally acknowledge that the candy you’ve been sucking on has been fed to you like a baby because you slurp it all up without question.  Another of the goons? Pardoned by DE governor a few years back, only to return to attempt a shitty plot to kidnap someone.  These weren’t right wingers, they were boogaloos, who may as well be left wing since their anti-gov’t beliefs fall more in line with Antifa and BLM than anyone on the right who supports their gov’t/country and doesn’t want to overthrow it.

i haven’t seen it yet, but what kind of spun filth is floating around this forum about the “security” clown in Denver who shot and killed the conservative hat maker at the march?  You realize he was far left? Again, apologies if it’s been covered, but holy shit you all are so far off base with reality and just spoon fed anti-govt, anti-country bile that I just have to assume you’ve been fed it again with that news.

Where's the video of them denouncing Trump?  

https://www.google.com/amp/s/nypost.com/2020/10/09/man-accused-of-whitmer-kidnap-plot-ripped-trump-as-tyrant/amp/

"every single person that works for gov't is your enemy".  Okay fine, he's a militia man.  That doesn't make him left wing.  He planned to abduct Whitmer and Northam, two Democratic governors.  These are the same jokers that invaded the State house in Michigan.  You think they vote Democrat or something?

Didn’t say that. I said their views more align with anti-govt. to
say they’re white supramacists it right wing is just as untruthful.  They’re anarchists, whichever wing you want them on is your choice.

Do you think the news that Whitmer was the target of an abduction helped or hurt Trump's cause in Michigan?

Neither. Just like a Bernie Bro shooting up a baseball field full of Republicans makes no difference. 

This is big local news in Michigan, not happening in DC.  You'll see another little bump or solidified D numbers in the polls in Michigan coming up.  Then you'll start seeing Trump pulling ads, if that hasn't already happened. 

Except John James is now only running a point behind Peters. The “decides” have decided and this shit won’t move them. Trump voters get that these bastards aren’t Trump people. Biden voters will claim they are regardless. The “middle” if they still exist might hate the insanity but won’t make there end decision based on the actions of domestic terrorists. My understanding is that Americans are made of sterner stuff. 

I'm sorry, you must not understand America middle/suburbia.  If you think for one minute that women and mothers in this country are ambivalent about militias or people walking around the streets with AR's and camos, you're crazy.  And then suburban women hear about a plan by these idiots to abduct the female democratic governor?  Yeah, no.  It's not a wash for Trump.

You're cherry picking polls a bit here.  I think it's tight, but Peters has a consistent lead.  You can throw out Trafalgar.  I generally think you can throw out any poll less than 1000 as well, so I don't know how useful any of these are.  

Reuters/Ipsos	10/7 - 10/13	620 LV	4.5	52	44	Peters +8
NY Times/Siena*	10/6 - 10/11	614 LV	4.6	43	42	Peters +1
CBS News/YouGov	10/6 - 10/9	1190 LV	3.3	47	44	Peters +3
Emerson	10/6 - 10/7	716 LV	3.6	51	41	Peters +10
CNBC/Change Research (D)	10/2 - 10/4	676 LV	--	51	43	Peters +8
Detroit News/WDIV-TV	9/30 - 10/3	600 LV	4.0	45	40	Peters +5
Trafalgar Group (R)	9/23 - 9/25	1047 LV	3.0	47	47	Tie
NBC News/Marist	9/19 - 9/22	799 LV	4.3	49	44	Peters +5

Ummm. Ok. Throw out any poll with less than 1000. Which leaves you with CBS and Trafalgar. Peters +3 to a tie. Basically margin of error race. Either way your suburban women ain’t dumb. They know these anarchists aren’t Trump voters while antifa are Biden voters. Pretty sure they can figure out on their own who to vote for...which like I said may not be Trump...but it won’t be this issue that sways them. It’s the 2016 voters who stayed home the dems need to move in Michigan because the ones who voted Trump ain’t switching. It’s too bad they refuse to knock on doors.

1200 likely voters. Biden also up 11. Good times. 

1200 LV is a good sample.  Harris also leans right. 

True. It's also true that the RCP average went from Peters +5 pre-Whitmer plot to Peters +6 post-Whitmer. Like I said... it's a Wash My Love.

Sure, sure.  One post kidnap poll averaged against a bunch of pre.  More intellectual honesty.  But if you're hanging your hat on this and "peace in the Middle East", well more power to you.  It's been a really productive four years for the country. 

It’s many pre-polls averaged against many post. You’ve lost the argument. Again.

Many=1. Okay genius. 

The Juggler

Peters has gone from up 3.8% to up 6.1% since the kidnapping plot came out. Biden has gone from +6% to +7% in the same time frame. Easy to see what is happening here. Hard to believe that was only just over a week ago. In Trump's America a week is the equivalent of a month. 

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