Vault 7 processing/shipping has begun...

disilluzion

Double Vault for next year, both 1996 Randall's Island shows!

HesCalledDyer

PB11041 said:

cp3iverson said:

These vault vinyls are special.  The book packaging, the uniform black color.  I love it.  

No doubt. And I regret that I did not really pay enough mind to the first few vinyl issues, I kinda of assumed wrongly that there would be more frequency and did not want to just get everything, also I thought there would be opportunities (again bad assumption) that older vaults would be accessible from time to time.

In any event, I want them to keep doing vinyl, but I am imagining more than 1 per year on vinyl would be a challenge.

Or maybe they can do things like some other bands have done and maybe in the beginning of the year, announce the 3-4 shows that will be Vault releases and you can either order them as a bundle or in configurations of CD and vinyl or something.

Still wish they'd release 1 & 2 on vinyl...

When Vault 3 came out on vinyl, I didn't order it.  I figured since Vault 1 was a PJ20 gift that I might never own, and Vault 2 was just a nugs CDR/digital release, what was the point of having a bunch of different packaging formats?  I'll just get them all digitally and be done with it.  Then Vault 4 came out and the collector & completionist in me figured this was going to become a regular thing so I better jump on board. Hurried up and snagged a Vault 3 on ebay before the aftermarket got out of hand.

And yeah, I too love the packaging on the Vault vinyl.  Reminiscent of those old 78rpm binders.

wndowpayne

I got 4 and 5 vinyls last November when they popped up...just missed on 3....cd instead..was thrilled to get what I did as the good stuff doesnt' last long here..

RoleModelsinBlood31

Can’t wait for this vault.  Always loved this show, hoping it sounds as good as it possibly can.  

Onward to vault 8.  Another shameless request for ‘96 please.

Hobbes

^^^Nothing shameless about it.

Jack!
Jack!
Jack!
Jack!

PB11041

disilluzion said:

Double Vault for next year, both 1996 Randall's Island shows!

Support.

PB11041

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

Can’t wait for this vault.  Always loved this show, hoping it sounds as good as it possibly can.  

Onward to vault 8.  Another shameless request for ‘96 please.

Support.

Nami

I like the once a year vault release, makes it more special. 

PB11041

And we have shipping...pretty hopeful that this actually hits the mail today or tomorrow and I can give it a spin before business travel ahead of the holidays.

darthvedder

PB11041 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PB11041 said:

cp3iverson said:

Time for vault 8 preorder.....no need to wait til June. 

It is definitely time to do two things...
Open up the vault from 1991 through 1998 in a more robust way.  Do a quarterly CD release and an annual Vinyl.  

I like that idea. I definitely don’t have the dough to fork out for a $60 vinyl every 3 months, but a CD is easily doable.

Definitely, and there are likely a lot of shows that might only be recorded digitally that might not be worth putting on vinyl.  But it would be nice to get some deeper access to the older years in the vault.

According to this interview with Brett Eliason, the majority of the shows were recorded digitally.

http://www.twofeetthick.com/2011/01/19/the-mixer-brett-eliason/

JR: Has the band catalogued their concerts since their first show (10/22/90)? Various 1992 b-sides included songs from FM recordings, and songs from particular shows were released from 1993 U.S. shows (the fan club single for example). I’m assuming early club shows were put to DAT, but did shows start to get recorded/archived to multi-track at some point?

Brett: I ran cassette initially DAT just wasn’t that prevalent a format in clubs at that point. As we got into 1992 I was running a DAT Walkman at every show. Starting in 1993 I began to multitrack (16 track) all of the shows. In 1994 I bumped up to twenty-four tracks. From these recordings came live B-sides, Christmas singles, and eventually Live on Two Legs.

JR: Are the shows recorded on hard disk or do they go to tape? Also are the recordings 16-bit, 20-bit, or 24-bit?

Brett: Pro Tools (A software-based mixing facility) was involved in the production of the Bootlegs and the DVD. My mix system is based on a rather large Pro Tools system, which is 5.1 compatible. For the European Bootlegs I recorded directly to a Tascam DA-88 format, which is an 8mm 16bit-tape format. I then brought the tapes home, loaded them up on multiple hard drives (the recordings are 32 track, including audience mics) and mixed them.

My system is capable of 24-bit 48KHz, but because the tape machines are 16-bit and the final product is 16-bit 44.1K, that is the resolution that I settled on.

Pearl Jam also showed a picture on twitter of the source for Vault 7, ADAT, which is digital on a VHS tape.

PJ_Soul

PB11041 said:

cp3iverson said:

Time for vault 8 preorder.....no need to wait til June. 

It is definitely time to do two things...
Open up the vault from 1991 through 1998 in a more robust way.  Do a quarterly CD release and an annual Vinyl.  

I've had enough of the 90s shows for now. Too many of the same songs on vinyl - I want shows from a time when their catalogue is bigger. What I really want is Santa Barbara 2003!

demetrios

wndowpayne said:

I got 4 and 5 vinyls last November when they popped up...just missed on 3....cd instead..was thrilled to get what I did as the good stuff doesnt' last long here..

I'm hoping Vault 6 vinyl goes back in stock. Though seeing Easy Street Records are selling many copies for $200 US a pop at their Pearl Jam Pop Up Shop, there is no way 10club will ever put up any extras for sale. 

PB11041

PJ_Soul said:

PB11041 said:

cp3iverson said:

Time for vault 8 preorder.....no need to wait til June. 

It is definitely time to do two things...
Open up the vault from 1991 through 1998 in a more robust way.  Do a quarterly CD release and an annual Vinyl.  

I've had enough of the 90s shows for now. Too many of the same songs on vinyl - I want shows from a time when their catalogue is bigger. What I really want is Santa Barbara 2003!

Don't care about catalog, care about great shows, there are great shows from the Dave A and Jack Irons era that need to be put out. The later catalog is done with the CDs, though possibly doing something like Santa Barbara would be good.

PJ_Soul

PB11041 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PB11041 said:

cp3iverson said:

Time for vault 8 preorder.....no need to wait til June. 

It is definitely time to do two things...
Open up the vault from 1991 through 1998 in a more robust way.  Do a quarterly CD release and an annual Vinyl.  

I've had enough of the 90s shows for now. Too many of the same songs on vinyl - I want shows from a time when their catalogue is bigger. What I really want is Santa Barbara 2003!

Don't care about catalog, care about great shows, there are great shows from the Dave A and Jack Irons era that need to be put out. The later catalog is done with the CDs, though possibly doing something like Santa Barbara would be good.

Well a Vault should never be something that's already been released on CD.

Yeah, I care about great shows too... And the setlist. There are a ton of great shows from the Dave A and Jack Irons era of course, but there are great ones from Matt's era too. All I'm saying is that so far they have already released enough of the 90s - I would just like to see these Vaults spread out evenly across their entire career.

HesCalledDyer

Just got my notification.  I'll be sure to check it on Friday to see if it's moved yet.

PB11041

darthvedder said:

PB11041 said:

HesCalledDyer said:

PB11041 said:

cp3iverson said:

Time for vault 8 preorder.....no need to wait til June. 

It is definitely time to do two things...
Open up the vault from 1991 through 1998 in a more robust way.  Do a quarterly CD release and an annual Vinyl.  

I like that idea. I definitely don’t have the dough to fork out for a $60 vinyl every 3 months, but a CD is easily doable.

Definitely, and there are likely a lot of shows that might only be recorded digitally that might not be worth putting on vinyl.  But it would be nice to get some deeper access to the older years in the vault.

According to this interview with Brett Eliason, the majority of the shows were recorded digitally.

http://www.twofeetthick.com/2011/01/19/the-mixer-brett-eliason/

JR: Has the band catalogued their concerts since their first show (10/22/90)? Various 1992 b-sides included songs from FM recordings, and songs from particular shows were released from 1993 U.S. shows (the fan club single for example). I’m assuming early club shows were put to DAT, but did shows start to get recorded/archived to multi-track at some point?

Brett: I ran cassette initially DAT just wasn’t that prevalent a format in clubs at that point. As we got into 1992 I was running a DAT Walkman at every show. Starting in 1993 I began to multitrack (16 track) all of the shows. In 1994 I bumped up to twenty-four tracks. From these recordings came live B-sides, Christmas singles, and eventually Live on Two Legs.

JR: Are the shows recorded on hard disk or do they go to tape? Also are the recordings 16-bit, 20-bit, or 24-bit?

Brett: Pro Tools (A software-based mixing facility) was involved in the production of the Bootlegs and the DVD. My mix system is based on a rather large Pro Tools system, which is 5.1 compatible. For the European Bootlegs I recorded directly to a Tascam DA-88 format, which is an 8mm 16bit-tape format. I then brought the tapes home, loaded them up on multiple hard drives (the recordings are 32 track, including audience mics) and mixed them.

My system is capable of 24-bit 48KHz, but because the tape machines are 16-bit and the final product is 16-bit 44.1K, that is the resolution that I settled on.

Pearl Jam also showed a picture on twitter of the source for Vault 7, ADAT, which is digital on a VHS tape.

Yes I know that V7 is ADAT 24 track, which is exciting since the monkeywrench radio stuff was highly compromised from a sonic standpoint.

There is a difference though to digital storing and mixing and straight on digital recording to non multi track DAT.  I've seen this interview with Brett and was what I was getting at, most of the shows pre 1993 were not done multi-track.  But even so there is a rich vein to tap with 93-96.

I know I am probably on an island but my preference in the live recordings is what Brett and co were able to do with the US legs of  the Binaural tour, they sound more natural and real.  Later recordings are brighter and sharper, but I like the fullness of the mixes on that stuff.

demetrios

Come on shipping notification! And come on Vault 6 vinyl going back in stock @ the 10club store.

PB11041

PJ_Soul said:

Well a Vault should never be something that's already been released on CD.

Well, that is going to preclude the vast vast majority of post 1998 tour shows. There are only a couple of option really, and two have already come out on Vinyl, 5.10.2000 and 10.22.2003.

Realistically, there are the few late 2002 shows, the aforementioned Santa Barbara, the Voter's for Change tour in fall 04 and the 2007 Euro tour.  

NewJPage

PB11041 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Well a Vault should never be something that's already been released on CD.

Well, that is going to preclude the vast vast majority of post 1998 tour shows. There are only a couple of option really, and two have already come out on Vinyl, 5.10.2000 and 10.22.2003.

Realistically, there are the few late 2002 shows, the aforementioned Santa Barbara, the Voter's for Change tour in fall 04 and the 2007 Euro tour.  

And Seattle groundwork 2001 and bridge school, but generally post 2000 is out there

NewJPage

NewJPage said:

PB11041 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Well a Vault should never be something that's already been released on CD.

Well, that is going to preclude the vast vast majority of post 1998 tour shows. There are only a couple of option really, and two have already come out on Vinyl, 5.10.2000 and 10.22.2003.

Realistically, there are the few late 2002 shows, the aforementioned Santa Barbara, the Voter's for Change tour in fall 04 and the 2007 Euro tour.  

And Seattle groundwork 2001 and bridge school, but generally post 2000 is out there

Oh, and the show where they opened for the who (I forget the year), Chicago 2005, easy street 2005, and house of blues 2003